Are the only Subs that can do 16hz super huge?

[gus6464]

As you guys can see in my sig, my HT setup for the living room is almost complete. All I have left is a new 1.3 receiver and sub. The only thing is that for the sub I have to adhere to my wife's size constraints. She doesn't want something bigger than a square foot give or take (maybe can do something like 15x15x15). My friend has an SVS PB12/2 and it's tuned for 16hz and it sounds amazing, only thing is that it's gigantic. Are there any small subs out there that can go down to 16hz? Is there a way to achieve that with maybe 2 subs? It is a lot easier to convince her to get 2 small subs than one large one.

Also I dont mind going the DYI route if I have to.

 

[mazersteven]

As you guys can see in my sig, my HT setup for the living room is almost complete. All I have left is a new 1.3 receiver and sub. The only thing is that for the sub I have to adhere to my wife's size constraints. She doesn't want something bigger than a square foot give or take (maybe can do something like 15x15x15). My friend has an SVS PB12/2 and it's tuned for 16hz and it sounds amazing, only thing is that it's gigantic. Are there any small subs out there that can go down to 16hz? Is there a way to achieve that with maybe 2 subs? It is a lot easier to convince her to get 2 small subs than one large one.

Also I dont mind going the DYI route if I have to.

From my reading, and research the only way to achieve quality bass is

1--With a large enclosure.
2--High output amp in small enclosure.

 

[gus6464]

From my reading, and research the only way to achieve quality bass is

1--With a large enclosure.
2--High output amp in small enclosure.

Ok so from what you are saying the only way to achieve what I want is to go DIY and use a powerful amp like a Behringer EP2500 bridged.

Is there something at parts express or anywhere that can achieve it?

I was also checking out Velodyne and they make the DD-12 sub which is around 15x15x15 and the specs sheet says it can go down up to 17hz. The DD-10 specs states it can go down to 18hz. Is that just paper specs or do you know if the subs can actually go that low?

 

[Adam]

Perhaps you could talk her into an SVS cylinder? Fairly small footprint and relatively light weight (two of the reasons that I got one). They are taller than box subs, but take up less floor space.

 

[OttoMatic]

Would you consider IB? Mine's pretty much invisible in my room, and will give you the depth and output you want.

 

[gus6464]

Perhaps you could talk her into an SVS cylinder? Fairly small footprint and relatively light weight (two of the reasons that I got one). They are taller than box subs, but take up less floor space.

Hmm she might let me do a cylinder on the corner if it has a small footprint. Whats the difference between these two if they can both hit 16hz? Room is not that big at all.

16-46PCi
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pcpow1.cfm
16-46 PC-Plus
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-plpow1.cfm

This is the room it will be in: one labeled living room

 

[gus6464]

Would you consider IB? Mine's pretty much invisible in my room, and will give you the depth and output you want.

What's IB?

 

[mazersteven]

What is wrong with this sub anyway?

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-sb12plus.cfm

* For a limited time, try an SB12-Plus for 45 days. If you aren't thoroughly impressed with its performance, SVS will refund your purchase price... including shipping!

 

[mazersteven]

What's IB?

Infinite Baffle Subwoofer

 

[gus6464]

What is wrong with this sub anyway?

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-sb12plus.cfm

* For a limited time, try an SB12-Plus for 45 days. If you aren't thoroughly impressed with its performance, SVS will refund your purchase price... including shipping!

That one can do 16hz?

 

[no. 5]

Would you consider IB?

That's what I was going to suggest.

I suspect that getting a loud 16Hz out of a two cubic foot enclosure is going to be pretty hard, if not impossible. Think of the iron law; loud, small, or deep: pick two.

 

[no. 5]

That one can do 16hz?

Judging by the frequency response graph on the SVS website, I'd say that's a big negatory.

 

[gus6464]

That's what I was going to suggest.

I suspect that getting a loud 16Hz out of a two cubic foot enclosure is going to be pretty hard, if not impossible. Think of the iron law; loud, small, or deep: pick two.

How loud are we talking about though? Only loud enough to fill a teeny tiny room if you pick small and deep?

 

[Adam]

Hmm she might let me do a cylinder on the corner if it has a small footprint. Whats the difference between these two if they can both hit 16hz? Room is not that big at all.

16-46PCi
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pcpow1.cfm
16-46 PC-Plus
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-plpow1.cfm

The PC-Plus has a better driver, more power, and can be tuned to different natural frequencies (either 16Hz or 12Hz). If you contact SVS, they'll be very upfront with you about which subs are good for your room. I've been very happy with their customer service.

 

[no. 5]

How loud are we talking about though? Only loud enough to fill a teeny tiny room if you pick small and deep?

In dB? I can't really say, as there are a number of specific factors at play, but I would guess it would be much less impressive than your friends SVS.

 

[gus6464]

In dB? I can't really say, as there are a number of specific factors at play, but I would guess it would be much less impressive than your friends SVS.

I am not expecting it to perform like his considering the sub is 1/4 the size of the living room. I am just wondering if it is possible to get a sub that could dip down that low without having the size.

 

[Sheep]

It's not JUST about amp power, it's also about driver excursion. You need to move air to make bass, and more air for lower bass. A big box gives you a lot of air to move. A driver that throws 3inches linearly, will move air too. The big ported boxes are more efficient, not to mention the vents will help keep the driver cool. A sealed high output sub that plays low needs a well engineered driver to work in that environment and that cost's money.

You want bass without the space, get a proven sealed sub (Digital drive series is all that comes to mind with low bass, but you'll need the DD15 at the least.) or convince the better half to increase the size. Every ported sub in SVS's line up should hit 16Hz.. some a little louder then others, you don't need a /2.

SheepStar

 

[Davemcc]

Why is 16Hz a requirement?

 

[GlocksRock]

SVS can do a custom tune in the PCi line if you want. You can have a 16-39 PCi. They will use the port from the 16-46 in the 20-39 enclosure, but you will lose some overall output as a result. So depending on your room size, this may or may not be suitable for you. The best thing to do is to contact SVS and tell them what you are looking for. They will not try to sell you something you don't need.

 

[jonnythan]

Why is 16Hz a requirement?

That's what I'm asking.

It seems that he heard a sub tuned for 16 Hz, and it was awesome, so he needs to have 16 Hz as well.

I'd say that's totally unnecessary. I doubt you'd even be able to tell the difference between, say, 16 and 20.

Call SVS and talk with them about what you want. Don't mention this 16 Hz number.