My First Post, I have a question about speaker wires

[mtrycrafts]

Just a quick question, can any of you hear the 16kHz sound that comes from tube tv's?

Irrelevant to wire audibility, period, end of story. It is irrelevant as you are assuming, a big one at that, that the change would occurs only above 15750Hz, Oh, yes, that is the horizontal oscillator in the TV, in case you didn't know it. And yes, I can hear that just fine.
Second, you didn't do a blind comparison, hence your perception most likely was unreliable for those differences.

Or the sound of the capacitor charging in a flash camera?

That is still irrelevant to the question of component audible differences, including wires, as again, you assume all the differences happens above that frequency. And, that you can hear any small amount of changes no matter what. WRONG on all accounts. Do you have anything more substantial to offer as evidence to the discussion?

If not, then I'm not surprised you can't hear any differences in wire.

And, I am not surprised that your perception is so active, or just the Barnum Effect at work on you too.

How about the memory..

Yes, how about it???

So why is it so hard to believe that type of memory is possible with smaller details?

Believe? Are we still in the dark ages that we have to believe and not know??? Come now, do some research and find out what has been researched in this are.
Forget it. I don't think you like to research or expand your horizons beyond your first hand experiences and perceptions however unreliable those may be.

But, a hint, MDS is correct, in that it is about that short for small differences.

Edit: Besides, guys I don't know what kind of stereos you all have, but I have a Pioneer receiver that's like 300 watts and a pair of Bose 501's. If your stereo isn't as good as that I can see why you can't tell any differences in wire.

You are joking, right? This gives you the basis for your guessing???

Do you have any idea of human psychology's place in perception or imagination? How about being gullible? Or, how easy it is to fool your senses?

But, if you are really interested, stick around and the great contributors at AH might teach you a few things new, if you are open to them. Or, just continue to believe.

 

[mike c]

Edit: Besides, guys I don't know what kind of stereos you all have, but I have a Pioneer receiver that's like 300 watts and a pair of Bose 501's. If your stereo isn't as good as that I can see why you can't tell any differences in wire.

joking or trolling?

 

[B&W700guy]

It's getting late and I'm fading fast so I'll pick this up tomorrow.

But, first of all auditory memory is about 4 seconds.

You think you remember the sound of the fire alarm right? Well, I remember the fire alarm went off dozens of times when I was in middle school - 30 years ago. Do you really think that if you heard the fire alarm at a high school as you drove by you could honestly say to yourself 'Gee, the fire alarm at middle school was much higher in pitch'. Get real.

That is false premise number one - assuming you have an adequate baseline for comparing sounds from the past with those you encounter in the present. If the past was 4 seconds ago, maybe....

Look, I don't particularly care if people believe they like the sound of one wire vs another. Maybe they actually do prefer one to another because one is accurate and adds no coloration to the sound and the other is high in capacitance and rolls off the highs, but it is incredibly simple to shred the argument that claims to prove that there is a marked difference betweeen wires.

The signature junk is in Quick Links->Edit Signature.

You where fading fast from the start

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Edit: Besides, guys I don't know what kind of stereos you all have, but I have a Pioneer receiver that's like 300 watts and a pair of Bose 501's. If your stereo isn't as good as that I can see why you can't tell any differences in wire.

Hey, I have a Bose 501 system that I let my 4 and 5 year old daughters use for karaoke. The Bose 501 and all Bose systems (even the $3,000) I've listened to are okay, but are extremely overprized compared to the other speakers mentioned here on this forum.
The Pioneer receiver has a TOTAL of 300 watts like 50-watts per channel x 6 channels? I've never heard of any receiver, even the $7,000 Denon, having more than 200-watts per channel--I think the Sunfire receiver might have 200-wpc.

 

[LBrize]

Finally, I'll put my last post on this thread..Reseaerch? Of course I read the research. Research is to educate you, not to tell you how to think, research can be found on any topic from multiple sources that completely contradict one another. You're asking me if I believe in research, and I spend days in a lab multiplying strands of DNA. Research is a tool to be used to draw your own conclusions.
Finally, yes I was joking about the 501's an Pioneer receiver.
And........I can hear a difference in speaker cables. The questions about the tv and camera were directed toward those with high frequency hearing loss associated with the bending of the nerve-rooted hairs inside the inner ear that vibrate when in contact with sound waves, causing high frequency hearing loss. I would think it more difficult to discern minute details with hearing loss of any kind, not that changes in wire only affect the upper audible frequencies.

Sorry guys, I'm not stupid, I'm not naive enough to believe an article over my own opinion. It's people like me who write the articles, and don't just blindly follow what other people tell me what I can hear and what I can't.

I'll move on now; look forward to posting and learning about other topics. :0) -LBrize

Edit: Please check my signature for a list of my current setup. A really good mid-fi system that is able to produce really good sound.

 

[fmw]

Sorry guys, I'm not stupid, I'm not naive enough to believe an article over my own opinion. It's people like me who write the articles, and don't just blindly follow what other people tell me what I can hear and what I can't.

I'll move on now; look forward to posting and learning about other topics. :0) -LBrize
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You haven't learned this one yet. Apparently you believe your ears but aren't willing to believe the research about the placebo effect that tells you that you shouldn't believe your ears. Since you haven't conducted the research yourself, then your opinion doesn't carry much weight. I have done the research. I've conducted many blind listening tests. I can tell you that what you think you hear or think you should hear is not what you actually hear.

I would think a researcher would have more respect for the scientific method than to simply dismiss research out of hand because it conflicts with their own opinion.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

I know that the audio processing area of the brain can be fooled, because mine has been (more than once.) Paying good money for something provides strong motivation to perceive it as better, even when it is not.

 

[zhimbo]

I'm not naive enough to believe an article over my own opinion

Errr....evidence be damned if it conflicts with your opinion???

It's people like me who write the articles,

Me too. And I'm in psychology, considerably more relevant to the topic at hand than molecular biology.

And you give every indication that you're falling prey to the placebo effect.

Proper blind testing is unambiguous about the value of costly speaker wire.

 

[B&W700guy]

I know that the audio processing area of the brain can be fooled, because mine has been (more than once.) Paying good money for something provides strong motivation to perceive it as better, even when it is not.

Hay....hay....weren’t you interested in bi-amping?

"I know that the audio processing area of the brain can be fooled, because mine has been (more than once.) Paying good money for something provides strong motivation to perceive it as better, even when it is not"

Well mine hasn’t. I took the product back after it failed in my house.

Sounds to me you should go out and buy a $10,000.00 amp. Not every Joe Schmoe could afford that

 

[B&W700guy]

You haven't learned this one yet. Apparently you believe your ears but aren't willing to believe the research about the placebo effect that tells you that you shouldn't believe your ears. Since you haven't conducted the research yourself, then your opinion doesn't carry much weight. I have done the research. I've conducted many blind listening tests. I can tell you that what you think you hear or think you should hear is not what you actually hear.

I would think a researcher would have more respect for the scientific method than to simply dismiss research out of hand because it conflicts with their own opinion.

The people who vehemently fights the thought that a person can listen and say "I can hear a difference" then post against the person sophomoric Psych100 BS. Proves over and over again the fact of "Pavlov’s Dogs" experiment! Don't look now...you're salivating

 

[fmw]

The people who vehemently fights the thought that a person can listen and say "I can hear a difference" then post against the person sophomoric Psyc100 BS. Proves over and over again the fact of "Pavlov’s Dogs" experiment! Don't look know...you're salivating

I spent 40 years listening and saying "I can hear a difference." It turns out I was wrong for the most part. I can admit it. You can't?

What is psyc100 BS? I'm not familiar with the term.

 

[zhimbo]

What is psyc100 BS? I'm not familiar with the term.

Translated: Introductory Psychology Bullsh*t.

Apparently referring to the copious, clear evidence that he finds unpalatable.

 

[MDS]

Apparently referring to the copious, clear evidence that he finds unpalatable.

Beautifully put in one sentence!

 

[B&W700guy]

I spent 40 years listening and saying "I can hear a difference." It turns out I was wrong for the most part. I can admit it. You can't?

What is psyc100 BS? I'm not familiar with the term.

Need a box of straws........how about a case You cant admit to the fact that people have different experiences. I say you are the Sheep! You can’t face the fact that your tastes might have changed.

You’re salivating again.....Napkin or Straws?

 

[mazersteven]

Are we still talking about the "Teflon Tape"?

 

[B&W700guy]

Are we still talking about the "Teflon Tape"?

Yes....have you been able to unwrap it from around your head and....

Now it is time for your Dogma

 

[mazersteven]

Now it is time for your Dogma

This whole thread has been about your Dogma. Total BullSh!t.

 

[B&W700guy]

This whole thread has been about your Dogma. Total BullSh!t.

Ouch. You hurt my feelings...and yes what I say is dogma, on speaker wires. Just like what you say about speaker wires, can't prove it! But Speaker Placement is much more important, don't you agree?

 

[mazersteven]

Ouch. You hurt my feelings...and yes what I say is dogma, on speaker wires. Just like what you say about speaker wires, can't prove it! But Speaker Placement is much more important, don't you agree?

I agree that you need special attention.

 

[B&W700guy]

I agree that you need special attention.

Yes I do muzak, for you it is like walking through a mall. Now go and watch some HT......OH...wait...Cleanup on isle 3....now you can watch your HT again.

Sorry, it is more like a large elevator.

If you want you can add the laughing head to my post...I don't need to