What Do New Receivers Really Have?

Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
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davo

Full Audioholic
While I like the Integra line, it is beyond me why they have worse looks to them than Onkyo. The Integra's front panel is too busy, and the silver knob is irritating. The Onkyo has most of the functions concealed under a drop down face plate, so it has few visible buttons.:cool:

None the less, it looks like Integra is going to live up to its name.:)
Ah, yes. The curse of the silver knob which has the masses in a quandry over wheather to buy a black spray can on the way home with said great amp, or not. Don't worry, I'm sure everyone will know what to do when the time comes. People could even post pics of their artistic efforts in redecorating the silver knob. Could be interesting.

It appears some of the main differences between Integra DTR-8.8 and Onkyo TX-NR905 seem to be:

1. 6 assignable speaker outs verses 2
2. 3 programmable 12v triggers verses 1
3. Sub woofer pre-outs for zone 2 and 3 verses none
4. 2 IR in/1out verses 1 IR in/out
5. Alledged "hand picked" resistors, capacitors, etc. (let me guess, the
tooth fairy picks them all out)
6. Definitly a busy front panel !

Will up-date more details when we actually get them.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
5. Alledged "hand picked" resistors, capacitors, etc. (let me guess, the
tooth fairy picks them all out)
Apparently the tooth fairy tests them all, and the ones that meet spec get put into the Integra. So the Integra should be more reliable.:rolleyes:
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
You know what I think is cool about the Onkyo TX-SR805, even without the Dolby Digital +, TrueHD, and DTS-HD MA, it is still a really great deal.:)
 
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davo

Full Audioholic
Silicon Optix Realta v Reon

Considering that the new Denon pre amp has the Realta chip but at a cost(Denon AVP-A1HD approx $7000:eek:), and the upper end Onkyo's and Integra's have the Reon chip at a price thats not so scarey, (Integra DTC-9.8-$1600.00) whats the main difference? Is the price jump worth the minimal extra feature/s ?

Here's an exellent break down on the difference

Picture this: more pixels more problems.
Jeff Sauer

...Realta, now some two years old, put much of that expertise onto a chip that could be integrated into DVD players, standalone scalers, and displays themselves. Realta has been well-received by device makers and image-quality critics. However, it's a premium product compared to image-processing chips from companies like Pixelworks, Gennum, and Faroudja, and a higher cost has ultimately limited its broad appeal among consumer-oriented products.

Reon, on the other hand, is designed to compete more directly with the cost leaders, while still, according to Silicon Optix, delivering the Hollywood-quality video processing of Realta. Indeed, Reon boasts most of the same features, including four-field-per-pixel de-interlacing for maximum sharpness, film cadence processing, diagonal filters to help remove aliasing and stair-step artifacts from de-interlaced video sources, detail enhancement or sharpening to counter the softening of noise and digital artifacts, and color detection and correction, all using 4:4:4, 10-bit image processing. There's even the geometric-distortion processing of Silicon Optix's older Image AnyPlace engine.

The primary difference between Realta and Reon is the programmability of Realta that enables custom control for specific or high-quality applications or hardware. The lack of that programmability affords a smaller and less expensive chip that is ultimately more appropriate for general-purpose display products, without losing functionality that would probably not be used in consumer devices anyway...
I'm not sure what video processor the Yamaha RX- Z11 has in it, but there is a bit of info in this download from the link http://www.mediafire.com/?ag1zjy0tv1b
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
Denon receivers, including my new entry-level 2-channel model, use something called "signal level divided construction". I don't know how it works, but I am convinced that it does. I hear really minute subtleties that I couldn't with my old Carver integrated.
 
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davo

Full Audioholic
Denon receivers, including my new entry-level 2-channel model, use something called "signal level divided construction". I don't know how it works, but I am convinced that it does. I hear really minute subtleties that I couldn't with my old Carver integrated.
I've had a bit of a look around for "signal level divided construction" but there is not much about it out there. Something about splitting the high levels and low levels (I assume they mean frequency) and processing them seperately. It makes me think of a cross-over with two processors after it.

Could you expand on the "minute subleties"? Were all other things the same like cables, speakers, source, source material, etc?

Good post.
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
Could you expand on the "minute subleties"? Were all other things the same like cables, speakers, source, source material, etc?
I changed the source at the same time, from an Onyo DX-C390 to a Denon DVD 557. (Nothing wrong with the Onkyo, far from it, but I wanted a pair of components that matched visually.) Cables, speakers,room, and source material remained constant. All I can say is that the Denon pair sounds better than the Carver+Onkyo combo, I cannot tell how much each contributed.
Not sure how to describe the "minute subtleties". An example would be hearing a clearer distinction between two guitar tones that previously sounded more similar. The best description I can give of the overall sound is "extremely clean and detailed".
 

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