Great demonstration on destruction of audio

pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
I came across while browsing through the "Clicked" blog on msnbc.com

This is an excellent demonstration on how the loudness war is killing audio. I know this has been covered before, but, in a few minutes the point is made very well with audio and visual examples tied together.

Article

-pat
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
I've read them all! Great articles. This was just a very quick and articulate way to show what is happening.

-pat
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

Audioholic General
Pat- I hadn't read the articles, which were probably 2500 words each and full of fascinating techno speak. This sixty second video taught me just what is happening to the recording industry and how sound quality is being degraded without reminding me of why I flunked out of engineering! David 2Trees
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I've read them all! Great articles. This was just a very quick and articulate way to show what is happening.

-pat
I am very glad you posted this.:)

Bookmarked it.:D
 
B

Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
I came across while browsing through the "Clicked" blog on msnbc.com

This is an excellent demonstration on how the loudness war is killing audio. I know this has been covered before, but, in a few minutes the point is made very well with audio and visual examples tied together.

Article

-pat
I somehow feel fortunate that I've only purchased a couple CDs since 1990....LOL
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Personally, it's unfortunate that the article/example only deals with the "Loudness Wars" on the albums. Nothing about what compression does. If you read through the postings at the bottom of it you see some very interesting ideas. My favorite is the what a poster wrote about compression of audio and what it does:

""Compressing" reduces the loudest sounds AND boosts the quietest ones - it compresses the dynamic range (the difference between the lowest and highest decibel values). Think of it as flattening the slope of the curve, if you will. Compression was a necessary evil back in the age of tiny transistor radios: otherwise you wouldn't hear the quiet stuff and the loud stuff would distort. Now, what joe described on June 6 - just reducing the loudest sounds - is called "limiting". All digital recording requires severe limiting, because it can handle only up to a certain numerical value for volume."

Apparently mp3s (compression) only change the dynamic range...ummm, and this is why the recording industry gets away with the dumbing of audio, because of mis-information.

My wife constantly complains about me listening to classical because of the dynamic range. She yells at me to turn it down because she thinks I've turned it up when it's just the dynamics of the performance coming through. No single decibel level for the entire performance...

An additional article on the recording industry's destruction of audio.

Anyone interested in finding out how much Prince's music is clipped? I don't fully understand how to graph it and find the actual peaks. I always have a hard time listening to more than one or two tracks of his music. And NO, it's not because his music is "bad." I happen to like his stuff. Very innovative.
-pat
 
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davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

Audioholic General
pzaur said..."Anyone interested in finding out how much Prince's music is clipped? "

I've enjoyed Prince's pop stuff on the radio over the years......but I always pictured him as an artist that would be very invovled in the studio and recording process......are you saying he isn't, and that his music is compressed? I thought he hated the record companies and how they wanted to mess with his art!

I was a Todd Rundgren fan for years......kinda drifted away from him...but he was big on quality if I recall.......in fact he had a song that started out by showing the different types of recording faux pas.........

I just got another SACD today.......Patricia Barber, Something Cool. I may have heard of it here.......I am going to listen to it and like what I hear...:D
 
M

MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Now, what joe described on June 6 - just reducing the loudest sounds - is called "limiting". All digital recording requires severe limiting, because it can handle only up to a certain numerical value for volume."
That is misleading as well. What would the 'certain numerical value for volume' be - 0 dB? It is true that 0 dB is the highest value any particular sample can have but that does not mean that limiting is a required process for all digital recording. Limiting is used only when the goal is maximum volume and the entire track is squashed so it has a very high RMS level.

Apparently mp3s (compression) only change the dynamic range...ummm, and this is why the recording industry gets away with the dumbing of audio, because of mis-information.
MP3 does not necessarily change the dynamic range. That is confusing dynamic compression with lossy compression (aka 'perceptual coding'). Two totally different things.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Some of my MP3s sound very good, some are quite dynamic and clean. (the only ones that sound very good are the 320kbps ones.)
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
MP3 does not necessarily change the dynamic range. That is confusing dynamic compression with lossy compression (aka 'perceptual coding'). Two totally different things.


I just want to be clear, there was sarcasm in that statement I made about mp3s only limiting the dynamics.:D I was commenting on how much of that individuals information was wrong.


-pat
 
Zer0beaT

Zer0beaT

Junior Audioholic
Is there anywhere to find out what labels are guilty of this?

For example, is Warner's Rhino division or Columbia Legacy series guilty of this? Or is it more the mainstream crap where this is happening?
 
avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
Is there anywhere to find out what labels are guilty of this?

For example, is Warner's Rhino division or Columbia Legacy series guilty of this? Or is it more the mainstream crap where this is happening?
Most everything seems to be prone to this. The best way to tell is listening to cds. It really depends on a variety of things not only the labels but the bands, engineers etc..There are some high quality labels out there but they don't have many choices and what they do have is generally limited.
 
M

MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Is there anywhere to find out what labels are guilty of this?

For example, is Warner's Rhino division or Columbia Legacy series guilty of this? Or is it more the mainstream crap where this is happening?
It's a general trend that started in the late '90s but there are still plenty of remasters that are done very well and Rhino (including Rhino Flashback) is one label that does a very good job on their remasters. When I see a compilation or greatest hits disc by Rhino, I buy it. Rhino uses the original version of a song and just cleans it up a bit - no excessive compression or other foolishness.
 
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