Need help - friend's HT, healthy budget, tough space

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ohio

Junior Audioholic
Sorry in advance for the long post.

So I'm helping a wealthy friend in Manhattan put together his home theater system. The budget is way higher than mine... he didn't flinch at $5k for the fronts. He has a very tough space though. Loft style apartment with a HT area that is probably 20'w x 30'l x 12'h and the couches will stay on the opposite side versus the display (so ~25ft viewing and listening distance). He's got a 70" SXRD already. One side is all windows and the other side is almost completely open to the rest of the apartment. He wants to treat the room minimally (you don't pay for a wall of windows in Manhattan only to cover them in heavy drapes)... I may be able to convince him to panel the ceiling and back wall, and put in an area rug.

He is a classically trained pianist, but listens to a lot more hip-hop these days (RJD2 was his auditioning disc) and has not spent ANY time in front of real hi-fi. My suspicion is he will care more about fidelity for music than movies, but will definitely use the system for both. We did our first auditioning yesterday, and I found out that the most important thing to him will be a FULL sound. At least at first. He didn't care about the difference in midrange and highs until we were able to pressurize the room and really feel the sound, and we walked away disappointed from some very nice McIntosh and Sonus Faber towers that I suspect he would love if we had just augmented them with a sub. And that was in a smaller, closed listening room.

After talking with the good folks at AV123, I'm thinking the Focus Line Sources will be perfect for his budget and the space... less floor and ceiling reflections, less sound decay over the distance. He's willing to wait the 2 months until the LS6s come out (and maybe wait for the LS9s), but I'm not sure what to do about the rest of the system. The closest thing to a matched center (Ref 200) doesn't have a delivery date yet. And the center will have to work HARD during movies to get that sound across the room. I'm also thinking he'll need at least one, maybe two, subs even with those LS6s. Is the Rocket UFW-12 a good match or should be look elsewhere (SVS, Velodyne?)?

The other side of me says that especially since this is his first foray into good equipment, he won't need/appreciate the difference between mid and hi-fi, and we just need to find a him a very good (rather than amazing) system that can play LOUD. In which case, I'd go with Rocket 850s, 200 center, 250/300 surrounds, and dual UFW-12 subs and healthy amount of power (Emotiva IPS-1 or Rotel RMB-1095), but need to know in advance that they can get the sound across the room and really fill it up. Obviously I'd consider other companies... another friend in SF has some DefTechs that had no problem completely filling the room during a viewing of Kill Bill, but I think this untreated room will go crazy with their bipolar design.

Thoughts? We're auditioning some more on Thursday (including some Dali MegaLines), but I don't think any listening room will match his conditions.
 
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alexsound

Audioholic
Sorry in advance for the long post.

So I'm helping a wealthy friend in Manhattan put together his home theater system. The budget is way higher than mine... he didn't flinch at $5k for the fronts. He has a very tough space though. Loft style apartment with a HT area that is probably 20'w x 30'l x 12'h and the couches will stay on the opposite side versus the display (so ~25ft viewing and listening distance). He's got a 70" SXRD already. One side is all windows and the other side is almost completely open to the rest of the apartment. He wants to treat the room minimally (you don't pay for a wall of windows in Manhattan only to cover them in heavy drapes)... I may be able to convince him to panel the ceiling and back wall, and put in an area rug.

He is a classically trained pianist, but listens to a lot more hip-hop these days (RJD2 was his auditioning disc) and has not spent ANY time in front of real hi-fi. My suspicion is he will care more about fidelity for music than movies, but will definitely use the system for both. We did our first auditioning yesterday, and I found out that the most important thing to him will be a FULL sound. At least at first. He didn't care about the difference in midrange and highs until we were able to pressurize the room and really feel the sound, and we walked away disappointed from some very nice McIntosh and Sonus Faber towers that I suspect he would love if we had just augmented them with a sub. And that was in a smaller, closed listening room.

After talking with the good folks at AV123, I'm thinking the Focus Line Sources will be perfect for his budget and the space... less floor and ceiling reflections, less sound decay over the distance. He's willing to wait the 2 months until the LS6s come out (and maybe wait for the LS9s), but I'm not sure what to do about the rest of the system. The closest thing to a matched center (Ref 200) doesn't have a delivery date yet. And the center will have to work HARD during movies to get that sound across the room. I'm also thinking he'll need at least one, maybe two, subs even with those LS6s. Is the Rocket UFW-12 a good match or should be look elsewhere (SVS, Velodyne?)?

The other side of me says that especially since this is his first foray into good equipment, he won't need/appreciate the difference between mid and hi-fi, and we just need to find a him a very good (rather than amazing) system that can play LOUD. In which case, I'd go with Rocket 850s, 200 center, 250/300 surrounds, and dual UFW-12 subs and healthy amount of power (Emotiva IPS-1 or Rotel RMB-1095), but need to know in advance that they can get the sound across the room and really fill it up. Obviously I'd consider other companies... another friend in SF has some DefTechs that had no problem completely filling the room during a viewing of Kill Bill, but I think this untreated room will go crazy with their bipolar design.

Thoughts? We're auditioning some more on Thursday (including some Dali MegaLines), but I don't think any listening room will match his conditions.

If he didn't flinch at 5 grand for front speakers alone, then he's got enough money to go to a "boutique" style store and say, "I've got this much to spend, this is the room I want it in, and, these are the features I need to have. What can you do for me ?" I KNOW it's not the in the DIY'ers spirit to
give this type of advice, but it's also fairly obvious you'll have some say into
this, so you can be his "advisor" and get to help him not get ripped off. Custom installers, especially the more experienced ones have lots of knowledge on how to tame bad room acoustics. In this situation, I would let
the experts take it on. I'm fairly certain you can find quite a few custom installers in Manhattan that would do a bang up job.
 
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Mort Corey

Senior Audioholic
With that budget and room configration, I'd also look at Ohm W5 S3 speakers.

Mort
 
ChrisJam

ChrisJam

Full Audioholic
So I'm helping a wealthy friend in Manhattan put together his home theater system. The budget is way higher than mine... he didn't flinch at $5k for the fronts.
I've heard great things about the AAD 2000 series. One forum member owns some. Maybe he'll pop into this thread.
http://www.questforsound.com/speakers.htm

One set of the 2003 towers ($5K/pair), one 2002 for a center ($3200), and a pair of the 2001s ($2500/pair) would make a stellar HT system. All prices are MSRP, so a discount would probably be available.




I'm also thinking he'll need at least one, maybe two, subs even with those LS6s. Is the Rocket UFW-12 a good match or should be look elsewhere (SVS, Velodyne?)?
What's his budget for a sub? For a space like that he'll need lots of sub SPL, so you're right, he should consider multiple subs. Try these:

• SVS PB13-Ultra

• JL Audio Fathom 13

• AAD S2000

• AV123 has two brand new models: 1) MFW-15 ($599 for one, $999 for two. They can be stacked, if desired. Three or four would be great.) 2) BMF-1 (~$2000).

• REL Studio III ($9000)


Chris
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
If he didn't flinch at 5 grand for front speakers alone, then he's got enough money to go to a "boutique" style store and say, "I've got this much to spend, this is the room I want it in, and, these are the features I need to have. What can you do for me ?" I KNOW it's not the in the DIY'ers spirit to
give this type of advice, but it's also fairly obvious you'll have some say into
this, so you can be his "advisor" and get to help him not get ripped off. Custom installers, especially the more experienced ones have lots of knowledge on how to tame bad room acoustics. In this situation, I would let
the experts take it on. I'm fairly certain you can find quite a few custom installers in Manhattan that would do a bang up job.
Ditto that....
 
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ohio

Junior Audioholic
If he didn't flinch at 5 grand for front speakers alone, then he's got enough money to go to a "boutique" style store and say, "I've got this much to spend, this is the room I want it in, and, these are the features I need to have. What can you do for me ?" I KNOW it's not the in the DIY'ers spirit to
give this type of advice, but it's also fairly obvious you'll have some say into
this, so you can be his "advisor" and get to help him not get ripped off. Custom installers, especially the more experienced ones have lots of knowledge on how to tame bad room acoustics. In this situation, I would let
the experts take it on. I'm fairly certain you can find quite a few custom installers in Manhattan that would do a bang up job.
Yeah, that's probably very good advice, and they'll also know what to do in a rented space (i.e. he can't tear up walls and floors). I guess I'll just get him to as many shops as I can until we find someone that seems legit. I was hoping to really find him a great deal, but I don't have the expertise and his ears aren't my ears.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
If that were my space and budget, I'd look seriously at Focal.JMlab Electra 1027 Be, CC 1000 Be and 1000 Be with some Bryston power and a good pre/pro w/HDMI (although I haven't had the need to search for this yet). I'd toss in a pair of SVS Ultra 13's or the Focal subs if they need to match cosmetically, then add room acoustic treatments and some source components and be done. It would be pricey, but oh so sweet.
 
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ohio

Junior Audioholic
If that were my space and budget, I'd look seriously at Focal.JMlab Electra 1027 Be, CC 1000 Be and 1000 Be with some Bryston power.
Beautiful speakers (as are the others mentioned above) but I'm starting to think that tweeters like that will be wasted on him... He really just needs something that will fill the space with sound, even at low volumes, but the fidelity isn't going to be that critical.

Going to try another shop tonight both for equipment and installers: Park Ave Audio, a Dali distributor.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Beautiful speakers (as are the others mentioned above) but I'm starting to think that tweeters like that will be wasted on him... He really just needs something that will fill the space with sound, even at low volumes, but the fidelity isn't going to be that critical.

Going to try another shop tonight both for equipment and installers: Park Ave Audio, a Dali distributor.
Don't be surprised if he grows into the fidelity that he can afford. Seriously, when I went speaker shopping for the first time, my main system was a Bose 3-2-1. But that's when I fell in love with the Focals and settled on the Era as the next closest thing within my budget. It would be terrible to spread that kind of scratch for a system that just fills a whole with sound. If that's all he wants, buy him seven Bose Wave radios and spread them around the room. But when a truly fine system can be had for the budget he's comfortable with, don't shortchange him on the premise that he can't or won't develop an appreciation of fine music reproduction. Musical appreciation is often an acquired sense. The last thing you want is for him to develop that sense of fidelity, but find it missing in his own system after dropping that kind of coin.
 
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ExtraCheese

Audioholic Intern
A little jealous are we?

You'd be doing the guy a serious disservice to not suggest the best system in his price range. I'd suggest you take him to listen to some Dynaudio C1's and some Focal Be's.


The thing with rich people is that knowing they have the best is the most important thing. Even if they don't understand why it's the best.


I know.. it sounds disgusting to us poor people who still have our souls intact...
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
another friend in SF has some DefTechs that had no problem completely filling the room during a viewing of Kill Bill, but I think this untreated room will go crazy with their bipolar design.
The DefTech Mythos ST is not bipolar. You might want to audition them. They sound very large and smooth as well.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You'd be doing the guy a serious disservice to not suggest the best system in his price range. I'd suggest you take him to listen to some Dynaudio C1's and some Focal Be's.


The thing with rich people is that knowing they have the best is the most important thing. Even if they don't understand why it's the best.


I know.. it sounds disgusting to us poor people who still have our souls intact...
Yeah, if I were Bill Gates I would own a $2 Million pr of speakers too.
Who cares how they sound when you're that rich:)
 

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