New Home Theater - Small Room

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upwardspiral

Audiophyte
Greetings; I have been lurking awhile but this is my first post.

I finally got the green light to begin building/buying a home theater (85% tv/movies, 15% music). It will be going into a room that is 12ft 7in deep and 12ft wide with 10ft ceilings. The walls are solid plaster.

Question - where should I begin focusing? Due to the size of the room it will be easy to overkill with speakers, etc.

Limit tv size to 46 inches?

Limit speakers to 2.1 setup?

Any advice will be appreciated from anyones past experience. Budget is ~$4-5k for TV, speakers and receiver. Though that is flexible if the quality is truly worth it. I am a bang for the buck person; so if spending a little more now means I don't need to upgrade anytime soon, Ill go for it.

Thanks for any help.
 
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Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Just a quick note (might write more later): I definitely would not limit yourself to 2.1. I'd say 5.1 at least. My first Dolby Digital 5.1 setup was in a room smaller than that, and I didn't think that it was overkill at all. It was great having the surround sound effect.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
My room is almost the same size as yours, 12x14ft with 9ft ceilings but my budget is somewhat less than yours ($3k tops). After doing some asking around I decided on the Onkyo TX-SR605 because of its hdmi 1.3 switching and the new Toshiba Rezga 1080p 42in lcd. From what I have read online it is a very good tv for the price ($1600 at CC) and has 3 hdmi 1.3 inputs. The only thing is that the component inputs are only 1080i and the vga input is 1024x768 so it sucks if you have an xbox 360 (non elite). But from what ive read the black levels rival the higher end samsung and LG models and the SD picture quality surpasses them with proper calibration. It has a noise reduction feature for SD signals which improves the quality.

Originally I was going for some Axiom Audio Epic Grand Master's but my wife lowered my budget. From what ive searched around in the forums those speakers offer great sound for the price.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
If your primary system usage is movies I reccomend a 5.1 system. You don't have to get overwhelming surround speakers (wall mountable, in-walls are both good options to save space.

If you are just wanting to start with 2.1 system and upgrade later you could do that, but I wouldn't buy a receiver that just does 2.1 because you take the possibility of upgrades out or at the very least make them more expensive and less desirable to do.:)

Good Subwoofer companies to look at
SVS
HSU
Velodyne

Good speaker companies to look at.
Axiom
AV123
Paradigm
Definitive Tech (good for more spatial sound from two speakers, and most have built in subwoofers)
Aperian
Ascend Acoustics
and many, many more that don't start with the letter "A";):D

popular receiver choices-
Onkyo TX-SR805, TX-SR605
Yamaha (RX-V series past the $1000 mark and the RX-V661)
Denon, not super familier with product lines but something from the upper 2000 series or 3000 series.

TVs
Pick one with picture you like.:D Sorry for the vague-ness

Remember, chose your speakers first for the audio part, then get a receiver to go with them.
 
Starmax

Starmax

Full Audioholic
My room is similar to yours: 15x16, 10 ft. ceiling and plaster walls. My gear was originally put together to fit a much larger room, but now it is waay overkill. Since my move 2 months ago, I've been experimenting with adding, subtracting and rearranging my speakers to determine what is just enough, and what is too much. If your room is totally dedicated to home theatre and doesn't double as a living room, I'd say a 46" screen is a good minimum size. My screen is 55", and I love it. With lights low, it dominates and envelopes, yet my couch is 8.5 ft. away. I say go for the gusto, just make sure you can sit far enough back (there are charts on this site comparing screen size, tv type and seating distance). Before I moved my room was 24x38, w/12' vaulted ceiling. I had 8 floorstanding Polk lsi & rti speakers, with a lsi center speaker, two HSU VTF-3 MK 2 subs, and a Klipsch RSW12, all driven by a Denon 5805 receiver. That room easily handled that much gear and power...it sounded great! Now I'm trying to find the right balance in a room almost half that size. It pains me to not use everything I have, but at this point, I have ruled out a 9.3 system. Definitely too much for the room. Now I'm deciding between 7.3 and 5.3, giving each configuration a hard listen. I'm keeping all three subs (overkill, but at least they can be blended into any set-up). It might take another month or so, but I'll let you know what I finally end up with. Even though your room is a bit smaller than mine, I believe you would be happy with at least a 5.1 arrangement. Hope this helps.
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
Greetings; I have been lurking awhile but this is my first post.

I finally got the green light to begin building/buying a home theater (85% tv/movies, 15% music). It will be going into a room that is 12ft 7in deep and 12ft wide with 10ft ceilings. The walls are solid plaster.

Question - where should I begin focusing? Due to the size of the room it will be easy to overkill with speakers, etc.

Limit tv size to 46 inches?

Limit speakers to 2.1 setup?

Any advice will be appreciated from anyones past experience. Budget is ~$4-5k for TV, speakers and receiver. Though that is flexible if the quality is truly worth it. I am a bang for the buck person; so if spending a little more now means I don't need to upgrade anytime soon, Ill go for it.

Thanks for any help.
You definitely want, at least, 5.1 regardless of room size. Also.... dont neglect room acoustics because they play a significant role in sound quality!! Room acoustic issues are the most important variables that most people ignore when building a home theater, and even the most expensive speakers will have significant frequency response issues in any untreated room thanks to reflections.

Speaker overkill?? OK, maybe you wont want speakers the size of kitchen appliances, but there is no such thing as overkill as it relates to quality!! You should strive to purchase the best quality speaker within your listed budget. Just because the room is small doesnt mean you should purchase inferior speakers for the job:)

What type of speakers have you looked at thus far?
 
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upwardspiral

Audiophyte
What type of speakers have you looked at thus far?

I'm really just starting out - I am just trying to find a general direction to go to be as efficient as possible.

My current speakers are older Infinity Studio Monitor 150's - HUGE. Those have to go (at least out of site of my wifes friends). I love the power of those speakers without needing a sub. But now smaller speakers are doing a great job with a sub, so I am looking in that direction. Probably will end up with 4 matching bookshelf speakers and a sub - but again, I'm open to anything.

TV- I am leaning towards the Sony KDL-46XBR2; all around seems like a great tv and I am expecting the price to drop when the new models hit store shelves.

Receiver - Everyone seems to say Denon is a safe bet. I still have some research to do here, but a 5.1 from them should do the trick.

Speaker - completely up in the air. Suggestions are welcome, though I am limited to what i have access to hear (don't live in a major city).
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
My current speakers are older Infinity Studio Monitor 150's - HUGE. Those have to go (at least out of site of my wifes friends). I love the power of those speakers without needing a sub. But now smaller speakers are doing a great job with a sub, so I am looking in that direction. Probably will end up with 4 matching bookshelf speakers and a sub - but again, I'm open to anything.

TV- I am leaning towards the Sony KDL-46XBR2; all around seems like a great tv and I am expecting the price to drop when the new models hit store shelves.

Receiver - Everyone seems to say Denon is a safe bet. I still have some research to do here, but a 5.1 from them should do the trick.

Speaker - completely up in the air. Suggestions are welcome, though I am limited to what i have access to hear (don't live in a major city).
Aaaaaaaah... the Studio150s!! Those are certainly a blast from the past, and a fun speaker!! You shouldn't necessarily limit yourself to bookshelf speakers because their footprint is no bigger than many of todays tower speakers. You just have to buy speaker stands for them.............

Speakers are all very different and have very different sound characteristics, so the only real way to know if you're a "Klipsch kind of guy" or a "B&W kind of guy" is to go out and listen for yourself. As for subs???? I'm a SVS kind of guy:cool:

Happy shopping....

PS...... remember, you want 5.1.......... not 4.1.
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
My current speakers are older Infinity Studio Monitor 150's - HUGE. Those have to go (at least out of site of my wifes friends). I love the power of those speakers without needing a sub. But now smaller speakers are doing a great job with a sub, so I am looking in that direction. Probably will end up with 4 matching bookshelf speakers and a sub - but again, I'm open to anything.

TV- I am leaning towards the Sony KDL-46XBR2; all around seems like a great tv and I am expecting the price to drop when the new models hit store shelves.

Receiver - Everyone seems to say Denon is a safe bet. I still have some research to do here, but a 5.1 from them should do the trick.

Speaker - completely up in the air. Suggestions are welcome, though I am limited to what i have access to hear (don't live in a major city).
Aaaaaaaah... the Studio150s!! Those are certainly a blast from the past, and a fun speaker!! You'll definitely want to hold onto those. (maybe create a garage system once your new speakers arrive)

You shouldn't necessarily limit yourself to bookshelf speakers because their footprint is no bigger than many of todays tower speakers. You just have to buy speaker stands for them............. I'm not saying to avoid them, but only that todays towers have a similar sized footprint.

Speakers are all very different and have very different sound characteristics, so the only real way to know if you're a "Klipsch kind of guy" or a "B&W kind of guy" is to go out and listen for yourself. As for subs???? I'm a SVS kind of guy:cool:

Happy shopping....

PS...... remember, you want 5.1.......... not 4.1.
 
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