How do you really use your Universal Remote.

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sldysart

Audiophyte
I am considering a universal remote to simplify operation and clear up the remote clutter but I am a bit skeptical. My only experience is with a basic remote that could learn how to control an addtional device or two. I want to understand how useful a programable universal remote can be in practice

1) Do you find you use your remote for basic operations but still reach for the native remote for extended functions? (It would seem that you would end up with either a lot of buttons or deep menus to search through to find the reverse 3:2 pull down setting for your DVD)

2) How simple or elaborate are the macros capabilities of your remote and do you use them? Is a simple and reliable "Watch a Movie" macro such as this really possible?

  • Power on TV
  • Set video source to DVD
  • Set wide mode to Zoom
  • Set picture to Progressive
  • Set Speakers to off
  • Set Audio Output to fixed
  • Turn off CC
  • Power on Receiver
  • Set volume to -25 db
  • Set Receiver source to DVD
  • Turn off Tape Monitor
  • Set decoding to Auto sense
  • Set Sound Field to Move Spectacle
  • Set display to dim
  • Power on DVD
  • Open DVD tray
  • On remote display (or have direct access to) basic DVD controls for: Menu / Play / Pause / Stop / FF / Rew / Volume up / Volume Dn / Mute
With most all the functions above set by a toggle or cycle rather than being explicitly set (eg: TV sound cycles through Stereo / SAP / Mono) it would seem difficult to start from a 'known state' unless you exclusively used one remote and it was able to keep track internally. So can these macros be coded to work just as well if you were previously watching TV, listening to a CD or playing a video game?

3) If someone uses a native remote for some quick function does the universal remote "lose track" of the current state of each device causing macros to misbehave?

4) Was it worth it - How much time did you invest in setting up the remote in order to avoid 3 minutes of remote juggling and button pushing everytime you go to use your entertainment center?

thanks!
Scott
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
1) For TV viewing, I normally use the TV remote as there is no need to use the universal for that since I almost never listen to TV via the receiver. For all other functions except my PS3 (which is bluetooth and cannot be programmed into an IR remote) I use the universal exclusively. When watching movies, I do control the TV via the universal as well. I do not program advanced settings like setup functions into my universal, so I do still go back to the original remote for something like that but that is because that is quite rare.

2) Yes, a macro such as this is definitely possible, though a few of those functions might be tricky due to various states. Some you can work around with little tricks, others might not be easy. For example, if I change the channel on my TV, it is automatically set to TV mode thus making that a known sate so by the first command being channel change, I always have the same starting point when switching inputs. Anything with a discrete code is usually straight forward. The Harmony remotes CAN keep track of function state.

3) Never had it happen, but if you are not using discrete codes or "tricks" then yes this is possible.

4) Absolutely.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
1) Do you find you use your remote for basic operations but still reach for the native remote for extended functions? (It would seem that you would end up with either a lot of buttons or deep menus to search through to find the reverse 3:2 pull down setting for your DVD)
Yes, I use one and only one remote to control every single function of the entire system: Home Theater Master MX-350.

2) How simple or elaborate are the macros capabilities of your remote and do you use them? Is a simple and reliable "Watch a Movie" macro such as this really possible?
You can have up to 190 steps per macro with the HTM remotes. If you need anywhere near that number of steps your system is way too complicated and ideally you should rethink it, BUT you can do it if you need to.

A 'watch a movie' activity is easy to implement.

With most all the functions above set by a toggle or cycle rather than being explicitly set (eg: TV sound cycles through Stereo / SAP / Mono) it would seem difficult to start from a 'known state' unless you exclusively used one remote and it was able to keep track internally. So can these macros be coded to work just as well if you were previously watching TV, listening to a CD or playing a video game?
Toggle commands wreak havoc on macros but yes you can arrange things so that you can always start from a known state. It is actually not very useful for a remote to try to remember the power state of each device because it is very easy to get out of sync. The Harmony remotes have their 'smart state' idea but you'll end up constantly using the 'help' to answer questions about which device is on or off with the complicated sequences you described above. It's better to plan the control out yourself and use macros to get you back to a known state from which to invoke other macros.

Here is an example from my setup. I only have a receiver, cable box, and dvd player and the cable box and dvd player are both 'toggle' power devices.

The majority of the time, I watch cable so cable mode is my 'home' state if you will. My ON macro turns on the cable box, then the tv, then the receiver and switches the receiver to Video2 (where the cable box is connected). Now if I wanted to watch a movie on DVD, I have a press-and-hold macro on the DVD button. It turns on the DVD player and switches the receiver to the DVD input. Even if I were to then manually switch to Tuner, I can get back to the 'home' state via another macro on the cable button.


3) If someone uses a native remote for some quick function does the universal remote "lose track" of the current state of each device causing macros to misbehave?
See above. You often need 'fix it' macros that unconditionally take the system back to a known state from which you can invoke other macros.

4) Was it worth it - How much time did you invest in setting up the remote in order to avoid 3 minutes of remote juggling and button pushing everytime you go to use your entertainment center?
The most time consuming part of programming a universal remote is the planning beforehand - which functions you want on which buttons, determining the steps for macros, how to get back to a known state if necessary, etc. The actual learning of the commands, even if you do every one manually, takes minutes.
 
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NapaDRB

Junior Audioholic
I love my harmony 880, one of the best purchases I have made. I don't know if it applies to you, but a huge factor for me is the WAF, kids, babysitter, etc. If I was the only user of the system my opinion would probably be different.

1) All day to day use is only the universal. Original remotes used for any setup, adjustments etc.

2) The Harmony sets up on your computer/web. While my setup is not close to your example, my TV switches all video and my rcvr switches all audio and it handles this with no problems.

3) This does happen occasionally, but the help function on the harmony works pretty well, also if you know what is out of sync for me it is easier just to reset it myself. Example; someone powers the DVD with the front panel button to remove a DVD, simply power down manually and your good to go.

4)Definitely.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
1. I have eight remotes which have not been touched since I bought my Harmony 688 remote. I use my DVD recorder remote when copying old tapes to DVD but that's it.

2. It is very simple with my Harmony remote. The ability for it to keep track of the state of each component (SmartState) is invaluable when there are no discrete codes for a certain operation. Yes, a macro like the one you listed is definetely possible. SmartState would be invaluable for the toggle operations.

3. Yes, it can happen if there is no discrete command for a certain function. As I said above, I don't use original remotes at all so this isn't an issue. The Harmony remotes have a "Help" button that does a good job of getting the system back into sync.

4. It was worth several times the $70 and 1.5 hours it took me to set it up! I will never go without a universal remote again.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I will just mirror the comments already made.

I use the uni for everything except calibrating the AVR which I have to do fairly often as my wife always changes the furniture around.

It is as simple as hitting "watch TV", "Listen to Radio", "watch a movie"...

The "help" button will get you back on track very quickly

Very much worth it, easy to use, got rid of 5 remotes and took 15 minutes to set up.
 
nasd90

nasd90

Audioholic
I've got a Harmony 1000 and it's fairly more complex with firmware updates and software updates so it takes a little longer to get setup but it works great. I do keep the Marantz SR8001 remote handy for the sound (just in case) because I have to fiddle with the click times (just been busy) to get it 100%.

We're also looking at getting some ZWave light switches & ceiling fans so I can control them with the 1000 as well.

Oh yeah... and no remote will control the PS3, so that is usually nearby.

Hope this helps some.


Nick
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
But a life time to perfect.

I tweak the settings of my remote every few weeks.
...and that is why I prefer the remotes that can be programmed directly without requiring you to connect it to your computer and use a setup program or web-based interface to program it.

I used to leave my cable box on at all times because I thought it could only receive updates when it was on but the cable company told me I should turn it off and I had to reprogram my system on and off macros. Took me less than a minute to do it sitting on the couch and then I could test it immediately.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
...and that is why I prefer the remotes that can be programmed directly without requiring you to connect it to your computer and use a setup program or web-based interface to program it.
Same here, I like to be able to program it on the fly. If I don't like how I initially set it up, I want to be able to change it on the spot. After a few days of doing that, I tend to leave it the way it is and get used to where it is so I can make my selections even without using the backlight function in the dark.
 
nasd90

nasd90

Audioholic
Yes, programming it on the fly is nice. But, you have no idea what a luxury and marvel of technology it is to be able to hook a USB cable up to your remote and have so much more control and power of the remote control. Then again, I am a computer geek so the harmony firmware/software updates, and configuration are cake.

Same goes for the XBOX & PS3... They're nice units but nothing, nothing compared to a fully loaded PC as far as what you can do.

;)


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jake5717

Audioholic
Im a computer geek as well. I like the fact that I can log on to the internet and make adjustments at work pick up some new equipment on the way home and just update my remote at home while I hook it up and have it all work.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Yes, programming it on the fly is nice. But, you have no idea what a luxury and marvel of technology it is to be able to hook a USB cable up to your remote and have so much more control and power of the remote control.
Actually I do. I have a full emulator for my RC3200 that allows me to create screens and program to my heart's content including downloading codes for various gear, and as I said before in another thread, I don't find it all that useful. If I want to change something, I can add and change buttons in a minute without plugging in anything.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Well I will let you know... being a computer geek the same as the rest of you guys... I have my Pronto on the way, should be here today or tomorrow, and Im hoping to integrate everything I have in my system. I know its a bit more difficult to program then some of those others, but Im fairly confident that I will be happy with the results.
I really wanted to get away from IR and head back to RF.

Im really sick to death of multiple remotes....


BTW j_garcia, I have seen a workaround for your PS3 to control with IR.
http://www.remotecentral.com/articles/ps3-ir-remote.htm
Im not sure how it works but then again. Im an XBMC man.
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I am aware of this workaround, but it is just that, a workaround :) We knew from day one that the old remote would work, but then you need the extra useless remote AND the adapter, and you miss out on a few of the key benefits of the PS3 remote like the ability to turn the unit on and off. So far I find it much simpler to just use the PS3 remote.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Yeah I figured that you knew about it, but thought I would throw it out there.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks man :) I never bought the old remote because I never watched movies on the PS2, but the PS3 is obviously a lot different :) If I already had that remote, I might have tried this already. I will probably pick up the PS2-PS3 controller adapter though, because I like my Logitech controllers a little better - same problem though, can't use them to turn the unit on and off.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
i don't have the time to fix up my universal remote ... and I still reach for the "real" remotes. but my harmony remote has paid for itself when I made it learn the AC unit and the electric fan :)
 
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aec

Enthusiast
I have a version of the MX700 which came w/my B&K receiver. I programmed it mostly manually to configure it to work all of my components (including my Lutron dimmer). I really like the fact that the configuration is saved on my computer. I like it but my wife refuses to use it for anything but movies. I have a Harmony 880 in the basement and I find that is a nice remote and even if I move away from the macro; e.g. "watch a movie", to control a device, I can go back to that macro function and control the volume on the receiver or pause the dvd player. Also like the motion sensor that lights it up when I pick it up and the fact that the date/time is on it.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
My RC3200 has date and time also, which is kind of nice to have on there once in a while.
 
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