What receiver would you buy for <$3000?

Lady Phoenix

Lady Phoenix

Junior Audioholic
I'm interesting in hearing people's opinions about what they think is "the best" home theater receiver for under $3000. What would you buy and why?

For the purpose of argument, let's say it will be used 50% for listening to music and 50% for movies and that we're talking about a medium-sized room, say 12'x20'.

Discuss...
 
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Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
For $3,ooo I'd maybe go with an amp & pre/pro. But for a receiver I'd go for the Denon AVR-4306.
 
Lady Phoenix

Lady Phoenix

Junior Audioholic
Actually, I wondered if anyone might suggest and amp and pre/pro. Please feel free to suggest that combination, too, if you think it's doable in that price range.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
Even buying new that's doable. If you're willing to buy used then you could get something pretty darned nice for that money. Of course, I currently have a Denon AVR-3805, and while I wouldn't mind upgrading I don't feel much need to. Eventually if BluRay and/or HD-DVD really take off I might need more HDMI switching or the ability to decode new audio formats like TrueHD, but for now my Denon does everything it needs to.
 
avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
What speakers are you going to be pushing with this receiver or amp and pre/pro? Also, are there certain features (i.e. hdmi 1.3, certain types of enconding, etc...).
 
Lady Phoenix

Lady Phoenix

Junior Audioholic
What speakers are you going to be pushing with this receiver or amp and pre/pro? Also, are there certain features (i.e. hdmi 1.3, certain types of enconding, etc...).
I thought that question would be next! I'm curious more about hypothetical possibilities than anything else. Also curious from the point of view of what if someone might want to upgrade their speakers sometime in the not-so-distant future... What would be the ideal receiver (or amp and pre/pro combo) that you could buy today that would last you the next 10 years?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I thought that question would be next! I'm curious more about hypothetical possibilities than anything else. Also curious from the point of view of what if someone might want to upgrade their speakers sometime in the not-so-distant future... What would be the ideal receiver (or amp and pre/pro combo) that you could buy today that would last you the next 10 years?
Well, in the beginning should be a speaker to drive, not an amp then finding speakers that would fit it. Kind of backwards.
Speakers have different sensitivity and impedance all important to finding a driver for that load. While some would drive a variety of speakers, certainly it wouldn't drive them all equally well.

Then, you want to identify the features you need. In HT, will you be going the hi-def format way with their audio formats? Then you'd be or should be looking at the new HDMI 1.3 types. Onkyo is coming soon with several models under $3k.
Are you planning on EQ implementation? Sub or two? How many channels will the room support?
 
avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
Thats exactly why I was asking. If $3000 is being dished out for a receiver some expensive speakers deserve that thing. Right now if I had that kind of money I would wait for Onkyos new models to be released in August. Those receivers would be great for most applications and will last a while.

If you really want to go pre/pro check out emotiva they seem to have great deals for the money although I have not heard them I have read extremely happy results with them.
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
The real question is what speakers are you looking to power with this $3000 dollars?
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
I'd wait for the new Arcam AVR's with HDMI 1.3, or Rotel. That's a nice budget to get some high end gear.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
for 3k, I'd do this ...

Denon 3808 and whatever amp fits the balance of the budget (could be a 2 channel amp, 3 channel amp or 5 channel amp)
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
I thought that question would be next! I'm curious more about hypothetical possibilities than anything else. Also curious from the point of view of what if someone might want to upgrade their speakers sometime in the not-so-distant future... What would be the ideal receiver (or amp and pre/pro combo) that you could buy today that would last you the next 10 years?

Your question is way too broad for any sensible answers for a specific peice or peices of gear,you need to elaborate on what features you must have,if your asking if there is a receiver made that will give you all the features that will allow it to remain relevant in a HT application i'd say no,HT is moving in small incriments at a fast pace with new features comming out all the time making it pretty much impossible for ANY receiver to remain relevant (feature wise) for 10 years,keep in mind that 10 years from now todays receivers will have little resale value.

Being that you want & system thats 50% music & 50% HT i'd think your best bet would be to center your purchases around music first with HT taking the back seat,going with seperates like a pre/pro & amplifier will give you much more future flexibility & also lessen the hit your wallet takes should you want to upgrade to gain features as they become available.

Buying used hi end gear is the only way to go,it offers the best build quality & long term resale value,if having HDMI is of little or no importance to you your $3,000 can go a long way buying used high end gear that your damm near assured to get your money back out of 10 years down the line & have gear that is built better & offers way better performance for music listening.

Spend some time on Audiogon.com looking at used hifi/ht gear,most audiophiles including myself are very anal about keeping their gear in pristine condition,if you dont allready know this you can use the ZIP CODE search function on Audiogon to find gear within driving distance from your home,its a nice way to demo gear & verify condition before you buy anything.

Ive easily saved over $15,000 on my main system buying used high end gear & if i wanted to dump it all right now i'd turn a hefty profit to boot.

One suggestion on a pre/pro i will make is in this link below & is probably the best priced pre/pro (with tuner) on the www right now thats going to be worth what you paid for it in 10 years,at this guys price its a steal,once again no HDMI though.

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1181999583
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I would opt for the upcoming Onkyo TX-N905 (HDMI 1.3, and Reon chipset for HDMI, upcoverting and such). Or, the New Sherwood 1.3 capable receivers could be another possible choice. I am sure they will be updating their seperates soon as well.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
Emotiva pre-pro and amp

Check out the recent reviews of the Emotiva Referance Theater pre/pro and amp. $2,200 for the pair. Get the Pro Theater series for $3k if you want a fully balanced pre/pro and amp.
http://www.emotiva.com/products.html
 
Lady Phoenix

Lady Phoenix

Junior Audioholic
Thanks for everyone's comments so far, I think highfihoney may have hit upon the real question I'm trying to ask:

if your asking if there is a receiver made that will give you all the features that will allow it to remain relevant in a HT application i'd say no,HT is moving in small incriments at a fast pace with new features comming out all the time making it pretty much impossible for ANY receiver to remain relevant (feature wise) for 10 years,keep in mind that 10 years from now todays receivers will have little resale value.
Clearly, highfihoney thinks this isn't possible. Does everyone agree that if you you're ready to upgrade your receiver, that there isn't one particular receiver or amp/pre-pro combination that would be worth shelling out $3000 in the hope of not having to upgrade that component again for a good, long time?

I'm also curious to see if there is one particular brand that is a clear favorite among audiophiles. In my lurking around the forums, it kind of seems like if you can drop more than $1000 in the receiver/amp department for a HT, Arcams and Emotiva are pretty highly recommended, followed by Denons and Onkyos. Would folks generally agree with this statement? Are there other brands that you would strongly consider?

For the record, $3000 is currently out of my budget, but I wanted to throw a "big" number out there to see whether there was a clear winner that might be worth saving up for or looking for used. Kind of seems like the answer is no so far and that it would be better to just plan on buying a new receiver or amp/pre-pro combo whenever you change your speakers? :eek: If so, that's also something I'd like to know!
 
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avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
First off, you seem to miss the important part, you should be drooling over speakers not the amp.

As for what highfihoney said you can't get an a/v receiver who's features will be completely applicable for 10 years (think what was being used 10 years ago and considered high quality and compare it to now). You can get a receiver that will work that long and work well but with technology constantly changing the best of the best right now will be below par in terms of gadgets 10 years from now but will most likely still be able to push speakers realatively well.

An example would be my dads system. His speakers entire set up probably cost him 5-7 grand 15 years ago (speakers, amp and pre/pro with cd player). And while the speakers sound great being pushed by his pre/pro his seperates don't have any video options.
 
Lady Phoenix

Lady Phoenix

Junior Audioholic
First off, you seem to miss the important part, you should be drooling over speakers not the amp.
Trust me, I'm drooling over speakers, too, but that's a different topic. Check out my hubby's thread over in the General AV Discussions:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31095

:p

And you know, if the answer to my question is, "I wouldn't spend that much on a HT receiver, I'd spend it on the speakers because in 5 years you'll probably want to upgrade your receiver," that's okay, too. :) (Though that answer might make me wonder if you'd say the same thing about an amp/pre-pro combination. From my newbie perspective, it seems like you might be able to "salvage" more from an amp/pre-pro combination when you're ready to upgrade your speakers somewhere down the line.)
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
If you already have a Denon 2802 receiver, keep it, unless it has failed or you really don't like it. After you'ver selected new speakers, get some more powerful external amplifiers, if you need them, and use the Denon receiver as a pre-amp/processor. As hifihoney suggested, used amps are often a very good deal.

Check your receiver's manual to see if there are pre-amp out jacks that would allow you to connect external amps. That model Denon probably has pre-amp out jacks for at least the front left & right channels. It may provide them for all 5 channels. Be sure to check this. Many people have found it useful to add a 2-channel external amp to power the front 2 speakers, and use their recievers' internal amps to drive the remaining channels.

Spend most of your effort and $ on new speakers. They are where "the rubber hits the road" and better speakers will deliver the most improvement in sound. If you do need more amplification, look to increase the power by at least doubling the power of your Denon 2802 receiver. Smaller increments of 10-40 watts will make very little audible difference compared to the roughly 90 or 100 watts your receiver now has.

All the various new features in HT receivers may be interesting and may make some hook ups with video products more convenient, but none of them are essential to quality sound. No doubt some others will have a different opinion about the very latest HT receiver features, but if you put your money into speakers and adequate amplifier power, you won't go wrong.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
If a concern arises about outdated pre/pro or receivers then seperates or at least a receiver used a pre/pro in conjunction with a seperate amplifier is your best route.

Power amplifiers don't really outdate in any area but efficiency. Amplifiers are becoming more efficient with class D switching and other digital domain type amplifiers, but I would think this isn't a major concern among those wanting to get good sound. When I invest in HT gear I am not thinking about saving electricity.;)

Using the Denon you have now with a power amp you could have a very nice system. And down the line you can upgrade the receiver or pre/pro in the future when your budget allows.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Thanks for everyone's comments so far, I think highfihoney may have hit upon the real question I'm trying to ask:



Clearly, highfihoney thinks this isn't possible. Does everyone agree that if you you're ready to upgrade your receiver, that there isn't one particular receiver or amp/pre-pro combination that would be worth shelling out $3000 in the hope of not having to upgrade that component again for a good, long time?
First off you need to understand that what the industry claims to be huge advances amounts to mostly gimmicks,weather were talking about Home Theater equipment or very expensive High End 2 channel stereo gear,neither HIFI or Home Theater has changed all that much,sure there are new features & designs every few months but they are not huge advances in overall sound.

No matter what name brand we end up talking about when were talking Home Theater & the "advances" & new features that come out just about every year ,there is no way you can buy "future proof" receivers,the HT industry is driven in such a way that the industry makes its own equipment totally obsolete within a few short years.

If having a good Home Theater experience is as important to you as listening to music you need to ask yourself a few questions & decide on what your "REAL" long term goals are,forget about speakers for now & think about what you NEED.

Are you the type of person who intends to use all the advanced features that are comming out all the time with Home Theater,or are you the type of person who wants GREAT SOUND/MOVIE EXPERIENCE without all the hassel of having to learn a bunch of different functions,remember these functions & what they are used for?

Also are you the type of person who in the event of a problem ,where your system needs adjusted or recalibrated will jump right in,read all the manuals,understand what each feature does & understand what each type of surround mode is used for,remember that along with more features comes the ability to screw your sound up much easier if you or somebody else messes with the wrong buttons or settings.

If your a "plug & play" type person who wants great sound without alot of learning & understanding of all the functions of an advanced surround system i'd reccomend you keep it as simple as possible,simple does not equal being cheap or sounding bad as well as having all the latest gadgets/gizmos & functions does not equal having a system that will give you good sound & offer ease of everyday useage without headaches.

You should understand that while Home theater has advanced in the last 5 years most of the advances are for die hard HT buffs & not regular everyday joe's,the advances like built in room EQ & 7.1 go unused for the most part by regular everyday joe's,basicly what im trying to say is that if your just looking to buy a system that sounds great for everything but is still very easy to use then keep it simple,xtra functions do not equal better sound & by trying to keep up with the latest functions will not.. in most cases give you better sound.

These reason i advised buying used high end equipment is becuase buying new equipment is a loosing propisition,your "new features" will become rapidly obsolete & before you know it the electronics in the system are valueless.

If you buy used hi end equipment somebody else took a massive loss in order to have the latest functions like 7.1 or HDMI,a used hi end pre/pro amp combo will offer you 100% of the features that the common man needs to have an excellent sounding music system & home theater system without leaving you holding the bag 5 years from the date of purchase.
 

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