We're Gonna Die!

[jonnythan]

I'm not sure you understand the policy or history here.

Subtropical storms, almost without variation, become named tropical storms. In 2002, the National Hurricane Center - not a media organization - started giving names to the subtropical storms that almost invariably become tropical storms.

I remember growing up and hearing about subtropical storm 3 or 5 or whatever that ended up becoming Tropical Storm Betty or Alfonso or Franzibald or whatever. Now they - the National Hurricane Center - just give the name to the subtropical storm so that we have a consistent name throughout the life of the storm.

Note that only one subtropical storm - Nicole in 2004 - failed to become a tropical storm since naming of subtropical storms began.

This naming change appears to be welcome to those in the affected areas, including my family in New Orleans.

 

[jonnythan]

You think this doesn't deserve a name?

 

[stratman]

It might look like something deadly to those that haven't experienced a "real" storm, but it isn't, 30 knot winds aren't exactly the "perfect storm" and showing pictures of some cloud formation on radar always leads to the ridiculous as expounded by our local tv channels. This will fizzle into nothing in the next couple of days (if that much), but it makes great fodder for the proponents of global warming, "oooh look, see I told you, its not June and the hurricanes have begun."

 

[highfihoney]

It might look like something deadly to those that haven't experienced a "real" storm, but it isn't, 30 knot winds aren't exactly the "perfect storm" and showing pictures of some cloud formation on radar always leads to the ridiculous as expounded by our local tv channels. This will fizzle into nothing in the next couple of days (if that much), but it makes great fodder for the proponents of global warming, "oooh look, see I told you, its not June and the hurricanes have begun."

Well the way i see it is that the weather has become just like everything else to Newsmen & Weathermen,they need to make a friggen mountain out of every little thing,its sensationalism that sells air time.

Look whats happened to early morning news with traffic updates,it spits 6 drops of rain & they URGE DRIVERS TO USE CAUTION,you'd think the e-way was flooded the way they talk about slowing down & leaving home extra early,thanks alot MR Weatherman,now my allready sucky 1.5 hour commute turned into a 2.5 hour commute.

These guys need to be slapped,hard.

 

[majorloser]

It might look like something deadly to those that haven't experienced a "real" storm, but it isn't, 30 knot winds aren't exactly the "perfect storm" and showing pictures of some cloud formation on radar always leads to the ridiculous as expounded by our local tv channels. This will fizzle into nothing in the next couple of days (if that much), but it makes great fodder for the proponents of global warming, "oooh look, see I told you, its not June and the hurricanes have begun."

Hey, the local news man said I should "hunker down" in my closet with a mattress over my head. I ain't coming out till the season is over.

But seriously, the news organizations make EVERY storm down here into a life and death ordeal. People panic, run to the grocery store and clean them out. The gas stations are packed with people trying to buy fuel at the last minute. The stations run out of gas..............................WE'RE GONNA DIE!

 

[stratman]

Hey, the local news man said I should "hunker down" in my closet with a mattress over my head. I ain't coming out till the season is over.

But seriously, the news organizations make EVERY storm down here into a life and death ordeal. People panic, run to the grocery store and clean them out. The gas stations are packed with people trying to buy fuel at the last minute. The stations run out of gas..............................WE'RE GONNA DIE!

You know, we should take these blithering idiots tie them to chairs, glue their eyelids open and make them watch their drivel 24 hours a day for six months and see how they like it.

 

[majorloser]

You know, we should take these blithering idiots tie them to chairs, glue their eyelids open and make them watch their drivel 24 hours a day for six months and see how they like it.

Oh, I don't care about the weather men. I want to torture the idiots who listen to the crap then panic. Or the ones who wait till the last minute to prepare in a frenzy.

 

[stratman]

That's the way its down here, dumb sheep led by the their collective noses, the winner of course is Home Despot and Pubixs, they rack in the bucks during the panic days. Plywood was about $14.00 a couple of days ago, I bet by next week it will be up to 19-20.00, and let's not talk about gas, generators, batteries................blah,blah,blah. Well at least Gore must be happy.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

It might look like something deadly to those that haven't experienced a "real" storm, but it isn't, 30 knot winds aren't exactly the "perfect storm" but it makes great fodder for the proponents of global warming, "oooh look, see I told you, its not June and the hurricanes have begun."

Exactly..... they've turned into 'manmade' GW alarmist kooks. I was going to say that earlier, but I bit my tongue. Man made GW is also to blame for declining syrup production in Vermont, obesity, suicide, depression, & the recent tornado outbreak in kansas, etc, etc. etc.... In fact, global warming his behind every sob story these days if you listen to the news.
LOL

To suggest the 2002 decision to begin naming 'sub' tropic storms is not political....... is very funny indeed!!

 

[stratman]

Like I've said before, too many guys here are too young, in the late 60s and very early 70s the "concensus" was a new ice age, the Earth was cooling because of smog, next was overpopulation, the world couldn't possibly support 3 billion let alone 4, by the late 80s, 2000 tops, we were going to be living in a frozen popsicle, starving. Here we are, change the story, change the figures, keep the people in fear, pass your controlling legislations, publish your papers make your fictitious documentaries make millions and for pete's sake do as I say not as I do. Anyone remember Soylent Green?

 

[highfihoney]

Anyone remember Soylent Green?

I just picked that movie up a few months ago & watched it with my oldest son,freaked him right the f out too.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

I just finished watching dvr'd day1 coverage of the Players Championship............ and both Sabbatini & Mickelson shot -5 in a named storm.

At the difficult Stadium course no less.....LOL It looked pretty damn pleasant outside, albeit a tad breezy. What a beautiful day for golf in florida

I guess those numnuts at the hurricane center are willing to name anything these days......

Hell, we often have much windier conditions here in the plains states than what I saw at the TPC Stadium course today. In fact, I feel a little offended that our "breezy" days aren't deemed name-worthy too.

I feel sort of gypped!!

 

[jonnythan]

Buckeye, why do you have such an agenda against naming subtropical storms when they almost *always* go on to be tropical storms?

What's the problem with naming them a little earlier in their lifespans?

Growing up I was always annoyed at having "subtropical storm 6" turning into "tropical storm Fran."

 

[jonnythan]

Like I've said before, too many guys here are too young, in the late 60s and very early 70s the "concensus" was a new ice age, the Earth was cooling because of smog, next was overpopulation, the world couldn't possibly support 3 billion let alone 4, by the late 80s, 2000 tops, we were going to be living in a frozen popsicle, starving. Here we are, change the story, change the figures, keep the people in fear, pass your controlling legislations, publish your papers make your fictitious documentaries make millions and for pete's sake do as I say not as I do. Anyone remember Soylent Green?

Are you sure you're remembering correctly?

By 1970 there were already 3.7 billion people on earth.

Also, cooling was noted in the 60s and that made some people think that an ice age was coming.. turned out that the cooling was man-made due to certain pollutants that are no longer being emitted in large quantities.

I wasn't alive then, but Wikipedia suggests that your recollections are... shall we say "inaccurate."

In any case, even if your memory is spot on, and climatologists were predicting a new ice age, they were obviously wrong... and scientists being wrong 30-40 years ago does not mean they are wrong today. That's an awful, ill-formed, incomplete argument.

 

[stratman]

Late 60s there wasn't, by 73 the panic in the media/books was in full swing, 75 end of Nam things quieted down, 76-79 the ME generation swung into full gear, disco, cocaine, mainstream "forgot" about ice age, over-population, etc etc. Enter the 80s and Prez Reagan, now the new holocaust for the world nuke war between NATO and Warsaw Pact, nuclear winter and so on and on....somethings never change, all you have to do is live long enough to see it.

 

[stratman]

It wasn't an argument, it was casual observation mostly from recollection of being alive and aware at that time of social issues, if you believe everything in Wikipedia....well , I won't get into that one. As for scientists I'd say I'll place my bets somewhere else.

 

[highfihoney]

In any case, even if your memory is spot on, and climatologists were predicting a new ice age, they were obviously wrong... and scientists being wrong 30-40 years ago does not mean they are wrong today. That's an awful, ill-formed, incomplete argument.

Strats info is not inaccurate,it was the big thing when i was young too,funny how history is being rewritten

Even though its not the PC thing to say nowdays global warming is BS period,the whole theory is being rejected by some of the top people in the world but after Al Gore & his followers get through skewering them alive & destroting their carrers most have stopped saying anything to the contray.

Its PC to believe in global warming, even if your smart enough to prove its BS you'll be portrayed as a Nazi or be accused of being bribed by oli interests,yes that comparison has been done allready.

Now if i can just find my can of Right Guard aresol deodorant

 

[jonnythan]

Strats info is not inaccurate,it was the big thing when i was young too,funny how history is being rewritten

Even though its not the PC thing to say nowdays global warming is BS period,the whole theory is being rejected by some of the top people in the world but after Al Gore & his followers get through skewering them alive & destroting their carrers most have stopped saying anything to the contray.

Its PC to believe in global warming, even if your smart enough to prove its BS you'll be portrayed as a Nazi or be accused of being bribed by oli interests,yes that comparison has been done allready.

Now if i can just find my can of Right Guard aresol deodorant

Just because the media was reporting global cooling does not mean most scientists believed an ice age was imminent.

I can't speak with any authority at all on the subject, but "the impression obtained from the mass media" and "reality" are... quite different things

I'm not sure what there really is to argue with regarding global warming. The global temperature has been increasing for some time, save a cooling period in the middle of the century, and atmospheric CO2 levels have skyrocketed in the last century.

*shrug* I don't have a dog in the fight, though.

 

[Tomorrow]

Are you sure you're remembering correctly?

By 1970 there were already 3.7 billion people on earth.

Also, cooling was noted in the 60s and that made some people think that an ice age was coming.. turned out that the cooling was man-made due to certain pollutants that are no longer being emitted in large quantities.

I wasn't alive then, but Wikipedia suggests that your recollections are... shall we say "inaccurate."

In any case, even if your memory is spot on, and climatologists were predicting a new ice age, they were obviously wrong... and scientists being wrong 30-40 years ago does not mean they are wrong today. That's an awful, ill-formed, incomplete argument.

Glad to see Wikipedia being such a source of truth and wisdom for the young members of our society. Having been there myself, I'll tell you that his recollections are... shall we say "accurate".

Let me complete the argument for you then, Jonnythan. Climatology was an inaccurate science in the 60's and nothing has changed. Predictability of events, whose causes and processes remain shrouded from us, is guess-work at best. It may be called "science" but it is a speculative study in progress and lacks the maturity of hard sciences such as physics and chemistry.

And finally, the point being made here is that this speculation is being and always has been overplayed by the media.

 

[jonnythan]

And finally, the point being made here is that this speculation is being and always has been overplayed by the media.

Overhyped doesn't mean it's not happening.