Which has a better DSP? Sony or Yamaha?

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SDDSfan

Enthusiast
Hello, I am new to this thread, but I've been wondering since both DSPs are 32bit floating which is better.

Sony Digital Cinema Sound DSP?

or

Yamaha Cinema DSP?

I can't seem to find which one is said to be better.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
It's not really possible to say which DSP chip is 'better' except maybe from a programming perspective if one has a more powerful instruction set than the other. There are only a handful of manufacturers with the big names being Cirrus and TI. They are likely very similar in instruction sets and processing power in the same way that Intel and AMD processors are similar in many respects.

The real question is which company has better utilized the DSP chip by programming efficient and well performing algorithms and my money is on Yamaha. [Although personally I don't care for a receiver to have 50 different DSP modes like Yamaha does - but many people do like them].
 
Yamahaluver

Yamahaluver

Audioholic General
Yamaha has been a pioneer of DSP tech, this is due to the fact that they were using same chips in their electronic synthesizers and other musical instruments since early 70s, they were among the first on the block with their DSP-A1000 unit, Yamaha also uses its own LSI, it also breaks accepted norms by having its own enhancement over regular Dolby and DTS modes so its also matter of taste.
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
I would vote for Yamaha as well. I had a Sony receiver in the past, and it was a piece of junk. I absolutely LOVED my Yamaha, and am about to buy another one.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
Yamaha DSPs are far superior to Sony. They are the only receiver manufacturer that actually makes DSPs and they are good at it. All of the Sony DSPs I have heard sounded like simple reverb effects and made it sound like you were listening through a pipe.

The DSP effects on my Yamaha 2700 are impressive. I never used DSP before on my old receiver but I actually use it once in a while for music.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
The DSP modes on the Yamaha receivers are superior to that of Sony receivers. Even their lower models are fairly impressive IMO. I had a couple of Onkyo receivers that could not match the Yamaha's DSP modes either.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
The DSP modes on the Yamaha receivers are superior to that of Sony receivers. Even their lower models are fairly impressive IMO. I had a couple of Onkyo receivers that could not match the Yamaha's DSP modes either.
I am a fan of Onkyo receivers but the 5 or 6 DSP modes they provide are 5 or 6 too many for me - never use them. :)

Yamaha is the way to go if you like DSP modes and toying with setting reverb time, attack, delay, etc in 50 million combinations.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I am a fan of Onkyo receivers but the 5 or 6 DSP modes they provide are 5 or 6 too many for me - never use them. :)
I sorta wish I still had the Onkyo TX-DS787.:( It wouldn't compete with the newer Yamaha, but it was still a very nice receiver.:)
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
DSP = bad. :) Definitely NOT something I would be using when comparing receivers. The decision is easy though, because I can't recommend Sony when it comes to receivers.
 
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xray

Audiophyte
The reason Yamaha DSP is generally considered superior is because during the mid 80s they sent teams of technicians to the major venues in Europe, US, Japan and meaured the reflections, reverb--sonic ambience of principle concert halls, jazz clubs and cathedrals. At one time they listed the names, size, number of seats, and reflective wall material of different rooms hence the many options. Movie surround came later and I don't know how they arrived at this but personally find it too busy and a distraction though find a center speaker helpful.

What I prefer for classical music is the Yamaha front Presense feature, a specific providing the EARLY REFLECTIONS that places me in a"room"without connecting my rear speakers, and I've wondered if this is why they offer the choice of either Presense or rear speakers. Japanese rooms are mostly quite small, no room for 5.1 let alone 7.1.

Despite the above opinions, I'm delighted with the advent of DSP for the two things I wanted in my early days were an ambient room and a remote control though I didn't know either would ever exist. What I've learned is that it's the music that counts, not the equipment. I love it no more today than I did years ago with my primative equip, the pleasure is exactly the same.
Chuck
 
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SDDSfan

Enthusiast
hey xray

Are your presence speakers toed in at the listening area or are they aimed straight ahead.

Does it make a difference?
 
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xray

Audiophyte
According to my old Yam DSP manual these speakers should be
"placed on either side of, a few feet above and behind
the main speaker pair." The diagram shows them slightly angled in.
 
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JonBaker99

Audioholic
Yamaha is definitly going to win this one...At last count they have 472,897 discrete DSP modes. Here is a list of them all:








Nope not gonna do it.
 
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SDDSfan

Enthusiast
Question on which DSP setting to use?

I was doing a comparison using yamaha cinema dsp I was trying the choose between spectacle and sci-fi dsp soundfield using a sci-fi teaser trailer.

So far sci-fi adds a sense of depth to sounds emanating from and away the screen, while spectacle setting seems to shift that space out away from the screen a bit further torward suite spot.

I did like the sci-fi setting because it made the soundfield much more out-there and expansive, more close to the original non-dsp dolby digital setting.

Sci-fi vs spectacle

Can someone tell me what spectacle is for?

Wouldn't spectacle be better used for films that are sutble, drama, or light on action more music track oriented even for older films no matter the genre.

For instance for science fiction:

Let's say you're watching a film like 2001: A Space Odyssey which is more of
visual film rather than sound oriented film and more heavily based on it's music track with less action and more drama.

Would spectacle be the best setting for this kind of light hearted film in the sci-fi category?

Or how bout' war/epic films

lets say pearl harbor which is heavily based on it's music track as well it's audio track. It is a war film which places it in the adventure dsp but it also is mostly music oriented too, which places it also in the spectacle setting.

Would spectacle be better placed for movie like this in the war category?
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Which DSP?

There is no right answer. DSP programs alter the original soundtrack in different ways and the 'right' one is the one you like the best.

Incidentally that is why I don't care for any of them. Are you going to watch portions of a movie over and over as you try every DSP option available to find out which one you like the best and then when you finally discover one you think is 'best' watch the whole movie again?
 

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