What does a reciever do?

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new2HD

Audiophyte
Hello,
I'm new 2 HDTV and I know nothing about it. We are having a HDTV professionally installed and I told the guy that I wanted set up for High Def with surround sound. I usually research stuff like this, but since I know nothing about it, I let the guy have free reigns. When its all said and done, what I thought was going to cost about 3500 is now going to be over 6000.

One thing that stands out to me was this reciever that he put in. Its the Onkyo SR674B that cost me 700, as I sit here typing this I see it on the top of the screen for 499. (I'm having a hard time using the bathroom after he stuck that one to me) I haven't had time to ask him yet what exactly it does, so now I'm asking you...What does it do and do I really need it?

YEEEAAAAOOOOUUUU!!!!
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Yep, you need it or something like it. A receiver is what is going to decode the surround signals and route them to each of your speakers in your surround system, among other things. It is also what powers your speakers, other than your sub, if you buy a powered sub.

Why don't you see if he's willing to work with you regarding pricing? Get online quotes of all the products he's selling you and see if he's willing to come close to the online pricing.
 
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new2HD

Audiophyte
Thanks for your response.

There is a guy that i work with who has a HDTV with surround sound and he doesn't know what a reciever is either. Is there a way around the reciever or does he think he has sorround sound but he really doesn't. Also, is this a good reciever and is it too much for a novice. I am going to upgrade to a high def cable box or possibly switch to dish network (any recommendations there), and I got an Onkyo DVD player. Other than that there is nothing else being hooked up.

This guy is doing a great job with this installation and he has a good reputation. I think when its up and running, i'll be happy with it, but yes, I will try to work on the price.
 
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jake5717

Audioholic
You could just buy a Home theater in a box from Walmart and save a whole bunch of money. The DVD player (Up converting even) will do all the sound processing and send it out to the appropriate speakers. You could probably even rig it so that your TV and other audio sources go through you surround speakers.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5693288
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
You could just buy a Home theater in a box from Walmart and save a whole bunch of money. The DVD player (Up converting even) will do all the sound processing and send it out to the appropriate speakers. You could probably even rig it so that your TV and other audio sources go through you surround speakers.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5693288
It's too late for that from what he posted. His is being installed and doubt he can change horses int eh middle of that install.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Hello,
I'm new 2 HDTV and I know nothing about it. We are having a HDTV professionally installed and I told the guy that I wanted set up for High Def with surround sound. I usually research stuff like this, but since I know nothing about it, I let the guy have free reigns. When its all said and done, what I thought was going to cost about 3500 is now going to be over 6000.

One thing that stands out to me was this reciever that he put in. Its the Onkyo SR674B that cost me 700, as I sit here typing this I see it on the top of the screen for 499. (I'm having a hard time using the bathroom after he stuck that one to me) I haven't had time to ask him yet what exactly it does, so now I'm asking you...What does it do and do I really need it?

YEEEAAAAOOOOUUUU!!!!
Sorry to hear your shock.
Did you get a quote for the job first? Life is a learning experience from start to the end. Some parts are expensive.

Yes, you do need a receiver for surround sound. It processes the digital surround sound information and passes it on to the right speakers at the right times. There are many systems out there that will do similar jobs at various costs. Unfortunately, the technical world is getting more complex, not simpler.
Not sure what your options are at this late stage of the game, the TV and sound system being installed.
 
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new2HD

Audiophyte
I certainly am not going to change, nor do I want to. I would like to have a nice setup. I just didn't want him selling me something i dont need.
So I take it from the responses that if i want this thing to look and sound good, I do need a reciever.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Looks like a hard lesson learned by giving him free reign but obviously you have the money to do that so just dont look up prices and enjoy the system. I am sure he also set you up with a universal remote so you dont even have to know anything about what you are doing.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
If you buddy from work says he has surround sound but you don't see the receiver it is probably a Home theater in a box. The main unit of a HTIAB is the DVD player/receiver. Then it will have small little speakers that "surround" the listener along with a small powered woofer. They are inexpensive, but they lack the quality control of seperate components and the audio quality.

The receiver you have is a nice receiver, sounds like you paid suggested retail for the unit that would be supplied by the company that manufactured it.

A receiver is often mistakenly called the "amp" because it powers your speakers (speakers can't power themselves, they need amplification). A receiver is more than an amp, though it does have an amp inside of it and makes up the largest portion of the receiver's weight.

The DVD player sends a digital signal (foreign language to amplifiers, speakers, or any other analog device) to the receiver where it is decoded (translated) into an analog signal and proceeds to amplify the signal. You use the receiver to make surround sound adjustments, such as level calibration for each individual speaker. You also use the receiver to switch between different sources, such as DVD players, game consules, CD player, Satelite TV, or the built in tuner. The receiver also adjusts the volume for your speakers, aside from the ones in the tv that you probably won't use very often if you really like surround sound.;)

This is of course all very basic, the reality of what a receiver does is a little more complicated than what I have described, but so long as you have an idea of what it does.

Onkyo has one of the best reputations for easy to use receivers, so Onkyo is about the best for a beginner as far as user compatability. Be sure to refer to your manual when you start to make adjustments, you should probably read it front to back really.:)

What kind of speakers did you get for the surround sound?
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
A reciever is responsible for all the sound you will hear,it takes the signal from the movie/cd/dvd/tv/radio/ipod/computer ect & amplifies it so you can hear it,the reciever also gives you the ability to control the sound that you hear,the reciever also decodes the surround sound,the reciever controls every aspect of what you hear & in no case can you live without one if you want surround sound.

If your friend has some sort of surround speaker system set up with his tv & he dont have a reciever he may have a tv that allows for external speakers to be hooked directly to the tv & the amplifier/reciever inside the tv takes care of everything,your tv may also accept external speakers like your friends just dont expect much in terms of surround sound quality.

As far as finding the exact same model reciever online cheaper than your installer's price, you cant in no way expect a small business to be able to compare prices with any internet direct source for these components,its not a reasonable expectation.

Yes online prices are cheaper in most cases but the buyer needs to know exactly what they need & have the ability to hook it up & then sort through all of its programming & make it all work.

No offense buddy but if you dont know what a reciever is your best bet is to stick with your installer & let him do a good job for you,being that you have zero experience with anything audio related if you start *****in about prices you saw online he may feel forced to match that price,do you really want your installer to be forced into price matching on a component that has a ton of programming options & 1,000 different ways to set the thing up,be aware that to an audio newbee set up & programming can be a total nightmare & the most confusing thing ever experienced.

You may end up getting a better price but you also might end up with an installer who washes his hands of you when you need help programming at a later date.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
New HT

If you are concerned about the receiver price, consider downgrading to the Onkyo 604/605 or a comparable model from Yamaha or Denon.

Also ask your installer about one of the Oppo Digital upconverting DVD players or maybe a Toshiba A2 HD-DVD player.
 
zhimbo

zhimbo

Audioholic General
One thing that stands out to me was this reciever that he put in. Its the Onkyo SR674B that cost me 700, as I sit here typing this I see it on the top of the screen for 499.
Out of $6000, I wouldn't worry so much about the $201. That isn't a rip-off. The margin of online dealers is very tight, and you don't get any setup or service for the $. Installers work with much less volume and give you all the installation and setup.

If you want the best possible price, you need to research things enough that you can purchase all the separate items and connect and adjust and tweak them yourself. When you choose to pay someone else to do it, you can't expect the best possible price. Just how the market works.
 
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new2HD

Audiophyte
Thanks, thats exactly what i was wanting to know. Like I said earlier, this guy has a good reputation. He will hook everything up, do all of the programming and is readily available if anything comes up. So, I think that's good advice about sticking with his equipement for the piece of mind that I will have that technical support if (or should I say when) I need it.

Here are the speakers:
Front Speakers are pinnacle Quantun Plasm (Three speakers is one long box)
This is going under the TV
Back speakers are MTX Blueprint Home 6.5" In- Ceiling enclosed speakers
Sub is a Pinnacle Sub Woofer 150

(There may be more technicle terms but this is what the boxes say)
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Front Speakers are pinnacle Quantun Plasm (Three speakers is one long box)
This is going under the TV
Back speakers are MTX Blueprint Home 6.5" In- Ceiling enclosed speakers
Sub is a Pinnacle Sub Woofer 150
Interesting setup.:)
 
MACCA350

MACCA350

Audioholic Chief
Interesting setup.:)
Being....um.....delicate are we Seth:p

I'm......hoping......most of that $6,000 went on the screen:eek:

new2HD, leave now while your still happy, this place will suck you in and never let you go, remember the sign on the door says 'Audioholics':D

cheers:)
 
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Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I am assuming he got plasma, given the speaker selection. Pinnacle makes some nice sounding, easily concealable speakers.:)
 
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new2HD

Audiophyte
I know that I got the answer to my original question and I probably should leave for fear that I will find out how bad my set-up is and how much I got ripped off, but my couriosity is getting the best of me.
First of all, let me say that the 6000 is a little inaccurate because we had some other work done in the room that was not related to the Home Theater. And I'm going to have to put in some extra overtime to help pay this.

Yes it is a plasma tv, but what in the world does the type of screen have to do with how it sounds?

Do In-Ceiling speakers sound better that the ones that are mounted on the wall?

Which sounds better: speakers on each side of the TV and on in the center, or three speakers in 1 long box?

Does a reciever have anything to do with making the High Def picture better?
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
The receiver has HDMI upconversion (not sure to what resolution, can't find details on their site), so it does affect your picture if you use its upconverter. Most upconverting players will have equal or better upconverters than the receiver so this may be a moot point.

As far as the Plasma TV, we where just discussing the cost of your system. For 6000 you could essemble one very awsome system, so if you don't feel you got your money's worth and want to put that money into a solid system you would probably need to contact the company that installed the system and try to get a refund (if you don't want to do this it is understandable, you don't need to go through the complication of doing that unless you really want to).

It all depends on the manufacturer of the in-walls and the mounted type. Each has it's ups and downs. Some companies make great in-walls and some make great mountable speakers. If you have to meet a (WAF) Wife Acceptance Factor or want your theater to be invisible in a room you may want to do inwalls. If you want small speakers that don't take up space but don't want to dig into the walls you can do mounted. My personal preference will always be full size speakers because the almost always sound better for music, and they cost less for their performance.

Three seperate, but matching, speakers in front is desirable.

If you decide to return the setup you got from where ever we can help you build a system. There are many helpful and knowledgeable members here that can guide you through it and get a you a audio/video system that will match or exceed your expectations. You won't look back and think, "did I not get my money's worth out of this".;)

Good luck.:)
 
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