Does anyone here like Bang and Olufsen?

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prince_alfie

Banned
What do people here think of Bang and Olufsen products? Thanks!
 
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outsider

Audioholic
they look nice, but I have never given them a listen.
and I second the expensive comment.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
My feeling is that B&O are 'boutique' systems; ie they stress industrial design instead of pure performance and you pay a very high price for the 'prettiness' of the system. They are more suitable for a showcase type of home where the aesthetics are more important than performance and cost is no object.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
MDS said:
My feeling is that B&O are 'boutique' systems; ie they stress industrial design instead of pure performance and you pay a very high price for the 'prettiness' of the system. They are more suitable for a showcase type of home where the aesthetics are more important than performance and cost is no object.
That's pretty much been their history (going back 30 years). Beautiful and cuting edge looking stuff with fair quality and way under powered entry level performace. Think Sharper Image products or a way over paid style happy senior executive's office rather than a serious listening space
 

Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
My take

I remember being told years ago that whilst B&O T.V.s might be more pricey than other brands, they'd last forever (obviously not forever but I'm sure you get the picture).

I've always been under the impression that their products are of good build and quality. Even if they are overpriced for the level of picture/sound quality, I'd never consider them in anything like the same ballpark as Bose.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
The BeoLab 8000, although striking in looks, have pretty lousy specs. Try 52-20,000Hz response if you're lucky, 2 - 4" woofers and one 3/4" tweeter. They weigh a whopping 44lbs, with an msrp of $4600! :eek:

B&O claims to be high end. To me, they're high end Bose.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Buckeyefan 1 said:
B&O claims to be high end. To me, they're high end Bose.

Who said hi-end needs to be better than Bose? :D
 
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prince_alfie

Banned
Sounds good. I like the solidity of the Beosound 2 mp3 player. Form 2 headphone look good too!
 
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camshaft

Audiophyte
Hey everyone, this is actually my first post even though I've visited here often.

I personally am a big aficionado of the somewhat older B&O stuff, like from the 80's and early 90's. I think the company has changed very much in about 80 years, and this has to be considered when asking people their opinion of the company. I feel that years ago they really were at the forefront audio technology. Today I believe they are still at the forefront of certain technologies, but no longer audio technology. People looking to invest in modern B&O equipment will be quite disappointed if interested solely in the audio aspect.

The mechanical design and the actual manufacturing quality are very good though, and thus the products last quite awhile, which is one of the reasons there's a huge interest in older B&O equipment. You can see this just by taking a look on ebay. I'm still listening to my dad's B&O system from the 1970's. If you read more into the details of the design and manufacturing of the products I think you can gain a better appreciation of the products' innovation for innovation's sake. Even in the modern product line, there are details that present difficult manufacturing challenges that one would likely not notice on initial inspection.

Do I think the products are worth their prices? Of course not. We must also remember though, that even more common electronics like a Yamaha receiver aren't worth their price either, but because they are far more commonplace and less radical we tend to set them as the normal to which we compare other equipment while forgetting that we're grossly overpaying for the Yamaha equipment too. Imagine if a company like Infinity begain selling speakers that necessitated the design and manufacturing techniques of B&O - such as fluted columns of single piece aluminum polished without shine distortion. Or aluminum touch panels machined to a hair of thickness so you can lightly touch them but still flex the aluminum enough to transmit the pressure to the buttons underneath. Do you not think the price would also sky rocket?

Sure we can look at B&O equipment and say 'wow, I could spend less than half that and have something that sounds as good or better'. But as I said, there is more to these products than just sound. To make audio equipment that is artistically beautiful necessitates compromises on both ends. I feel in the past B&O was more likely to make the compromises on the artistic end in order to still offer very good sound. Starting in the mid 90's I think they began to switch to cheaper sound but better artistic presence. They also abandoned many audiophiles by ending their line of large component systems and trying to replace them with tiny all-in-one-box systems that appealed to people with more money looking for status and having less knowledge of real audio equipment.

This summer I hope to build my first pair of speakers. And would I be surprised if after some practive I could build a pair that sounded better than a $3000 set of B&O's? Nope. But will I still look at some of the most gorgeous designs of the past by B&O and still get butterflies in my stomach? Yep.

If you want to see some of the really nice B&O stuff from when it was in its prime....

This first picture was the last truely component B&O system, from the early 90's. The remote you see was also very advanced, featuring two way IR and had little servos to tilt the display upward when it sensed it was being placed down on a flat surface like a table:
http://www.beoworld.co.uk/products1/beosystem7000.jpg

http://www.io.tudelft.nl/public/vdm/fda/brochures/beo05/8927.jpg

http://www.beoworld.co.uk/beosystem6500.htm


BTW, I know this is an old thread, but I really wanted to respond.

Austin
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Hey everyone, this is actually my first post even though I've visited here often.

I personally am a big aficionado of the somewhat older B&O stuff, like from the 80's and early 90's. I think the company has changed very much in about 80 years, and this has to be considered when asking people their opinion of the company. I feel that years ago they really were at the forefront audio technology. Today I believe they are still at the forefront of certain technologies, but no longer audio technology. People looking to invest in modern B&O equipment will be quite disappointed if interested solely in the audio aspect.

The mechanical design and the actual manufacturing quality are very good though, and thus the products last quite awhile, which is one of the reasons there's a huge interest in older B&O equipment. You can see this just by taking a look on ebay. I'm still listening to my dad's B&O system from the 1970's. If you read more into the details of the design and manufacturing of the products I think you can gain a better appreciation of the products' innovation for innovation's sake. Even in the modern product line, there are details that present difficult manufacturing challenges that one would likely not notice on initial inspection.

Do I think the products are worth their prices? Of course not. We must also remember though, that even more common electronics like a Yamaha receiver aren't worth their price either, but because they are far more commonplace and less radical we tend to set them as the normal to which we compare other equipment while forgetting that we're grossly overpaying for the Yamaha equipment too. Imagine if a company like Infinity begain selling speakers that necessitated the design and manufacturing techniques of B&O - such as fluted columns of single piece aluminum polished without shine distortion. Or aluminum touch panels machined to a hair of thickness so you can lightly touch them but still flex the aluminum enough to transmit the pressure to the buttons underneath. Do you not think the price would also sky rocket?

Sure we can look at B&O equipment and say 'wow, I could spend less than half that and have something that sounds as good or better'. But as I said, there is more to these products than just sound. To make audio equipment that is artistically beautiful necessitates compromises on both ends. I feel in the past B&O was more likely to make the compromises on the artistic end in order to still offer very good sound. Starting in the mid 90's I think they began to switch to cheaper sound but better artistic presence. They also abandoned many audiophiles by ending their line of large component systems and trying to replace them with tiny all-in-one-box systems that appealed to people with more money looking for status and having less knowledge of real audio equipment.

This summer I hope to build my first pair of speakers. And would I be surprised if after some practive I could build a pair that sounded better than a $3000 set of B&O's? Nope. But will I still look at some of the most gorgeous designs of the past by B&O and still get butterflies in my stomach? Yep.

If you want to see some of the really nice B&O stuff from when it was in its prime....

This first picture was the last truely component B&O system, from the early 90's. The remote you see was also very advanced, featuring two way IR and had little servos to tilt the display upward when it sensed it was being placed down on a flat surface like a table:
http://www.beoworld.co.uk/products1/beosystem7000.jpg

http://www.io.tudelft.nl/public/vdm/fda/brochures/beo05/8927.jpg

http://www.beoworld.co.uk/beosystem6500.htm


BTW, I know this is an old thread, but I really wanted to respond.

Austin
Hey Austin welcome aboard,

I use to work for a firm in the early eighties that contracted an HT company to do A/V installations for our customers, since back then they where B&O authorized, most of the stuff they did for us was from B&O, If I recall correctly they used the Beolab (?) system along with micro-speakers that might have been from Bose (I'm talking about 20 years ago)anyway all the B&O stuff was too complicated for the customers and slowly over the years most of the clients had them replaced by less complicated and easier to operate components. The units never did fail though. I always saw them as cutting edge industrial design with a lot of fluff, but no real meat. Expensive as heck, they made pretty eye candy for the non audio crowd that wanted to impress their friends. They were so attractive that hiding the equipment was never an issue. I never considered them "high-end" just expensive mid-fi.
 
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camshaft

Audiophyte
Hey Stratman, love the avatar! I really do think they have produced some hi-fi products in the past though. Their really old speakers used to actually use SEAS drivers, which I doubt people would consider mid-fi, before slowly progressing towards their modern $10 drivers. Supposedly, one of the major reasons they became famous to begin with was also because of how good their turntables were in the 70's and 80's, which I think is one of the reasons the replacement stylus's still go for over $100 regularly. Although in honesty I've only heard a couple record players in addition to my dad's so I don't have much to compare personally, just going from what I've read in regards to that part. I'm only 21, so I kinda missed the turntable era.

In regards to HT as you mentioned though, I never did see anything to make me think B&O ever had something worthwhile going on there. Their TV's were usually just other brands's screens stuck in a fancy aluminum frame on a motorized mount. And I never did see them come out with a good surround system. I think they should have just stuck with stereos and speakers, rather than trying to ride the HT wave.

Austin
 
wire

wire

Senior Audioholic
What do people here think of Bang and Olufsen products? Thanks!
I used to have a B&O Turntable ( cant remeber the model # ) , with a MMC2 cartridge and a 4 , wow a great turntable and great sound ( wish i didnt sell it now :( ) .
 
apatel25314

apatel25314

Audioholic
yeah i will pretty much agreee that they are a high(er) end bose
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Ironically, the pseudo higher-end companies like Bose and Body& Odor (sorry, I couldn't help myself;) ) started as companies with potential and actually had some pretty good products, eons ago. But when your original mission gets clouded by marketing and the dollar chase, something will eventually suffer. In these cases, quality, fidelity and corporate integrity especially in Bose's case.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I don't think that Bang & Oloofson have much in the way of corporate integrity. they don't advertise much to speak of, at least I haven't seen much if anything.:confused:
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
They're bigger in Europe and spend more money there in ad campaigns. Here in the states, they've set up some fancy boutique stores in the higher-end malls.
 
Tom Andry

Tom Andry

Speaker of the House
I visited B&O last year. Pretty interesting. Love'em or hate'em, they definitely put some work behind their speakers/electronics. Read more.
 

ronnie 1.8

Audioholic
Tom, I was thinking about that article while reading all the posts in this thread. Thanks for sharing it. I first heard of B&O in the mid 80's. My brother's best friend had one of their turntables, and I had never heard of them. When my wife and I bought our first home in '98, she wanted a nice stereo system that was not made of "black boxes". I remembered B&O, and we took a look at one of their stores, and that was it - decision made. Bought a simple single CD player and a pair of their BeoLab 4000's, had the system custom installed. Had the speakers in the main living room, and the CD player mounted on the wall chest-high in the guest room/TV room. Unfortunately we sold it with the house 2 years later. When we moved into our current home in 2000, we again wanted a music source that sounded great and looked like a piece of art. I don't even know if there is another choice?? We bought the BeoSound 9000 (6 CD player), another pair of BeoLab 4000's, and an M&K subwoofer. Again, we had it all custom installed, the subwoofer hidden in a faux air vent in the living room. It's beautiful. It sounds excellent, although I would never pretend to able to do any critical listening with it, if no more than the shape/size/acoustics of the room the speakers are in. But it is a great conversation piece, and we couldn't be happier with it. We've also had 3 of their telephones since '98 (same 3). They have great features (that were quite innovative in '98) and they sound excellent.
 
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