Need a new receiver!! Help please

[PENG]

I’ll take that bet and up you a paycheck.

I was going to discuss with you the remainder of your reply and the statements you made, but why bother? It’s abundantly clear to me by your tone that you have more interest in inciting arguments, then to communicate like an adult. It is people like you who prevent people like me from participating in these forums.

I am sure anyone who has been around here long enough will know that Seth is open minded and has no problem changing his view points if presented with convincing arguments/facts. Worse case, most will agree to disagree. I hope you would continue to participate and enjoy future discussions including the heated ones.

 

[wire]

Even if Denon rates their receiver wattage more accurately that really isn't relevant. What is the difference between 100 watts and 80 watts? Well I will tell you, it is about 1 decibel. What is a high current amp anyway? An amp is an amp. It's power is determined by the sum of it's parts. The amplifiers in the Yamaha HTR-5990 are quite capable. They have a large power supply, plentiful capacitance and a hefty output stage. I have no doubt the amplifier in the Yamaha is just as good as the one in the Denon or any comparitive receivers that you listed.

The argument for 1.3 and all that stuff is a dead horse. LPCM should be just as good as DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD, the only difference that it makes is that it is decoded inside the dedicated player instead of a receiver.

Lastly, If a reputable receiver manufacturer states the receiver processes 7.1 LPCM you better bet you buttons it will process 7.1 LPCM. As for the processing capabilities compared between the Denon and Yamaha, they should be almost the same, probably not audibly different.

High Current to me , is the ability for the Amp to dip into the lower ohms and stay stable and not blow a tweeter while it is doing so . The recievers have a hard time doing so . So when or if i look at RMS , from one company to another ( I know from experence ) , whom is going tobe closer to there advertised ratings .
If i where to make a choice between Denon and Yammy , it would be Denon . If it was a choice between Denon and NAD , it wouldbe NAD . It is a natural progression to to Midfi equipment .

 

[wire]

I’ll take that bet and up you a paycheck.

I was going to discuss with you the remainder of your reply and the statements you made, but why bother? It’s abundantly clear to me by your tone that you have more interest in inciting arguments, then to communicate like an adult. It is people like you who prevent people like me from participating in these forums.

To the OP, be careful what / who you take advice from and do your homework. Contrary to what Seth believes, not all receivers will do what they are supposed to do. I’ve sent back three so far in the past twelve months that did not do what they were supposed to do. And they were from “reputable manufacturers”.

Good luck……

Hi mdrew
Chill abit . Seths is cool .
It is difficult for these lower midfi companys to keep quality control on all there equipment , they mass produce them for the masses ( thats like 6.6 billion ppl. now ) .

 

[Seth=L]

High Current to me , is the ability for the Amp to dip into the lower ohms and stay stable and not blow a tweeter while it is doing so . The recievers have a hard time doing so . So when or if i look at RMS , from one company to another ( I know from experence ) , whom is going tobe closer to there advertised ratings .
If i where to make a choice between Denon and Yammy , it would be Denon . If it was a choice between Denon and NAD , it wouldbe NAD . It is a natural progression to to Midfi equipment .

Not necessarily in all cases. And from my understanding Denon has been getting more laxed about their rating system. They are sneaky as well. The like to omit the power consumptions of their receivers from the images and specifications I have noticed. They are also slimming down their lower lines to compete with Yamaha, Sony, Pioneer, Onkyo and so on. I would say Denon and Yamaha are pretty much on par.

NAD is a different story, they do have higher current amplifiers. I don't view the Denons or Yamahas as receivers that pack higher current amplifiers. Unfortunetly I have never owned a NAD to compare it to other receivers I have owned and used. I have owned and used Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, Pioneer and Pioneer Elite, Sherwood, and have dabbled in seperates. The only time I really noticed a huge difference (exempt the Sony, it had some series problems) was when I had my Rotel preamp and Carver amplifier. That set-up sounded excellent at an volume.

 

[wire]

Not necessarily in all cases. And from my understanding Denon has been getting more laxed about their rating system. They are sneaky as well. The like to omit the power consumptions of their receivers from the images and specifications I have noticed. They are also slimming down their lower lines to compete with Yamaha, Sony, Pioneer, Onkyo and so on. I would say Denon and Yamaha are pretty much on par.

NAD is a different story, they do have higher current amplifiers. I don't view the Denons or Yamahas as receivers that pack higher current amplifiers. Unfortunetly I have never owned a NAD to compare it to other receivers I have owned and used. I have owned and used Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, Pioneer and Pioneer Elite, Sherwood, and have dabbled in seperates. The only time I really noticed a huge difference (exempt the Sony, it had some series problems) was when I had my Rotel preamp and Carver amplifier. That set-up sounded excellent at an volume.

Seth
From my experince it is just the progression i would go . Ive heard both ( not so much the last 10 years or So ) .
Yeh I think the next step up is to NAD and comparable products , then after that your hooked in the system and more reference style equipment .

 

[Seth=L]

Seth
From my experince it is just the progression i would go . Ive heard both ( not so much the last 10 years or So ) .
Yeh I think the next step up is to NAD and comparable products , then after that your hooked in the system and more reference style equipment .

The Denon of 10 years ago is different from the Denon of today. Then again Yamaha is different as well. It is all in how you look at things.

 

[wire]

It is all in how you look at things.

Mostly how it sounds .

 

[EricAH916]

Where are you find the yamaha reciever for $550?

I had my mind pretty much set on this Onkyo TXSR803 for $550

http://www.accessories4less.com/cgi-bin/item/ONKTXSR803

I would like to check out the Yamaha before committing to either, or though

 

[zumbo]

Where are you find the yamaha reciever for $550?
I would like to check out the Yamaha before committing to either, or though

It has SOLD OUT at one call. Vanns has them at $569

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/538999334

 

[Seth=L]

It has SOLD OUT at one call. Vanns has them at $569

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/538999334

How do you do it?

 

[PENG]

Seth
From my experince it is just the progression i would go . Ive heard both ( not so much the last 10 years or So ) .
Yeh I think the next step up is to NAD and comparable products , then after that your hooked in the system and more reference style equipment .

I agree with you and wire in general, but if you search and read some lab measurement data you will find that NAD amps are good but are also somewhat hyped up here in North America for whatever reasons. The fact is, according to available data, at comparable price point, they are not much higher power/current than Denon and Yamaha products. Like HK, their published ratings are on the conservative side but that does not equate to more power/current per dollar. Another British designed product, the Arcam, on the other hand, is much lighter in weight but sound sweeter than anything else I have heard. The difference won't be enough for me to pass any tightly controlled DBT but subjectively the Arcam receivers/amps sound great. The NADT7XX sound pretty much the same as a Denon 3805, Yamaha RX-V2400, or HK 630 (to me at least). I do like the specs of their C272 stereo amp though, it is a well priced little high current amp with clipping power of 170W but claims an 'IHF Dynamic' power of 410W 4 ohms and 520W 2 ohms!

 

[solomr2]

FWIW, I auditioned the Denon 2807, Yamaha RX-V1700, an Onkyo (can't remember model) and the Pioneer Elite 84TXSi.

I ended going with the Pioneer. It was a bit more money... $1200, but I felt it was worth it. But the best advise I can give is to listen to them all, and then decide what sounds best to you and which one fits your budget best. In the end, it was features more so than SQ that sold me - they all sound pretty good, with Pioneer slightly edging out Denon, then Yamaha and then Onkyo in SQ.

Either way, I don't think you can go wrong with any of them really. They're all good mid-fi options, so don't lose any sleep over it.