Taco Bell: Dunno if it's a coincidence or what, but.

Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
I think there are some misconceptions about food borne illness out there. While it's true that bad practices can lead to outbreaks, you can no more assume a return trip will make you sick than you could expect better odds in the Lotto by buying your ticket where the last winner bought his. Most of the large chains have pretty decent food safety standards, and a great many have HACCP systems in place. While a system is only as good as the employees, the bulk of the outbreaks I've heard of recently were traced to vendors that supplied the restaurants.

Think about it- peanut butter contaminated with Salmonella. Lettuce tainted with E-Coli. Mellons are often similarly tainted. You can blame the restaurant, but since there are far fewer bulk purveyors than restaurants, in many cases their number just came up. For instance, Taco Johns had a bunch of customers fall ill from lettuce in their tacos, but the contamination originated in the product well before it was purchased by TJ's. You could just as easily have eaten that lettuce at another restaurant or bought it at the grocery store.

Furthermore, statistics show that about 90% of foodborne illness originates at your home! Consider this: Are you Serve-Safe certified? Have you implemented a HACCP system? Is everything in your refridgerator labels and dated? How old is too old? Is there a thermometer in your fridge? Do you use a thermometer to verify that the food you cook or reheat is brought up to a safe temp fast enough to minimize time spend in the Temp Danger Zone? Do you sanitize all work surfaces and scrupulously avoid cross-contamination? Yeah, that's what I thought!;)

People just assume their own food is fine and their $hit doesn't stink.:p So when they get sick they mentally go over all the restaurant food they've eaten recently- no matter than a great percentage of the common illnesses have incubation periods from 8 hours to several days. No, it must have been the burrito you ate ten minutes ago that gave you E-Coli, even though that's physically impossible.

The last thing I would want to do would be to stick up for shoddy food safety in the industry. But more and more I see problems originating well ahead of this point with the vendor, or more disturbingly, with the growers. The infamous Spinach Debacle this summer was caused by fecal matter in the water contaminating plants in the field. Aside from cooking it, which really doesn't do much for the texture of your salad, the only thing you can do is wash it. If I took a dump on your salad, would you consider washing it enough?:eek: :D
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Why don't you tools just do the right thing and go to Subway? My fitness world membership gets me a discount so all the more reason to go.

You know Macdonald's DOES have sandwiches, you don't NEED to order the triple Mc'heart attack.

SheepStar
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Sometimes, its not even what you'd expect. It could be the ice in your drink that's contaminated, or the soda itself if the fountain hasn't been cleaned. There's been times when just drinking the soda gave me the squirts.
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
Clint DeBoer said:
Here's the deal... save yourself some time and pain:

Next time you want to go to Taco Bell, just go to the toilet... take your money... and throw it in there. It's much easier and saves you lots of hassle.
And drink from it to get the same end result :eek:
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
That is just plain gross.:p

Hey if a dog can do it and not get sick....well?
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Rob Babcock said:
I think there are some misconceptions about food borne illness out there. While it's true that bad practices can lead to outbreaks, you can no more assume a return trip will make you sick than you could expect better odds in the Lotto by buying your ticket where the last winner bought his. Most of the large chains have pretty decent food safety standards, and a great many have HACCP systems in place. While a system is only as good as the employees, the bulk of the outbreaks I've heard of recently were traced to vendors that supplied the restaurants.

Think about it- peanut butter contaminated with Salmonella. Lettuce tainted with E-Coli. Mellons are often similarly tainted. You can blame the restaurant, but since there are far fewer bulk purveyors than restaurants, in many cases their number just came up. For instance, Taco Johns had a bunch of customers fall ill from lettuce in their tacos, but the contamination originated in the product well before it was purchased by TJ's. You could just as easily have eaten that lettuce at another restaurant or bought it at the grocery store.

Furthermore, statistics show that about 90% of foodborne illness originates at your home! Consider this: Are you Serve-Safe certified? Have you implemented a HACCP system? Is everything in your refridgerator labels and dated? How old is too old? Is there a thermometer in your fridge? Do you use a thermometer to verify that the food you cook or reheat is brought up to a safe temp fast enough to minimize time spend in the Temp Danger Zone? Do you sanitize all work surfaces and scrupulously avoid cross-contamination? Yeah, that's what I thought!;)

People just assume their own food is fine and their $hit doesn't stink.:p So when they get sick they mentally go over all the restaurant food they've eaten recently- no matter than a great percentage of the common illnesses have incubation periods from 8 hours to several days. No, it must have been the burrito you ate ten minutes ago that gave you E-Coli, even though that's physically impossible.

The last thing I would want to do would be to stick up for shoddy food safety in the industry. But more and more I see problems originating well ahead of this point with the vendor, or more disturbingly, with the growers. The infamous Spinach Debacle this summer was caused by fecal matter in the water contaminating plants in the field. Aside from cooking it, which really doesn't do much for the texture of your salad, the only thing you can do is wash it. If I took a dump on your salad, would you consider washing it enough?:eek: :D
Rob I agree with this, it's common sense(and the law for eating establisments). My dad (who happens to be 80 and still working)has been in the restaurant biz since 1970 and he's ultra careful making sure the patrons are being taken care of, after all in the restaurant business your food and service is your business card and first impressions can make or break your business. My beef (no pun intended) with certain fast food chains is, they systematically buy the cheapest grades in order to maximize profits at the expense of quality. If Caca-Bell didn't over season their beef, the gag factor wouldn't let you eat it. I, as a young man worked as a bus boy, prep tech and purchaser. I quit before I was forced into waitering. As for my home, old habits die hard, my wife and I religiously keep up with expiration dates, we also have a four year old in the house so it's critical for us. I've been to friends homes where the mayo is 9 months to a year old, I'd wager most people lives are too "busy" to pay attention to expiration dates. Unti'll food poisoning.
 
M

MDS

Audioholic Spartan
My house certainly isn't Serve-Safe certified and I don't even know what the acronymn HACCP stands for but I do try to follow the basic guidelines to avoid cross contamination.

After I've cut up the raw meat, I wash my hands before I start cooking. I don't use the same knife that was used on the raw meat to cut it after it has been cooked. I don't cut chicken and beef on the same cutting board even if I am making both at the same time. I don't cut vegetables on the cutting board that was just used for meat. If I am grilling a steak I use a styrofoam plate to take the raw meat out to the grill and when it is cooked, I place it on another clean plate.

Simple precautions are worth taking, but as Rob said sometimes it's the producer of the foods that is to blame.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
stratman said:
I've been to friends homes where the mayo is 9 months to a year old
That's still new. Any mayo that isn't a clear yellow color is still good, right?
 
D

Dolby CP-200

Banned
Davemcc said:
That's still new. Any mayo that isn't a clear yellow color is still good, right?
Gordon Bennett mate no way:eek: , well I think I’ll just stick to Scotch eggs for now.

What are they trying to do poison the customers, why not just pour Domestos into the drinks and get it over with fast!:eek: :(

 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I was born in a place where you got water from the well outside. The people left food out overnight always. Granted their infant mortality rate was right through the roof but one thing is for sure, if you can make it there you can make it anywhere. New York has nothing on them. Understand that my parents never went to school. So when we got here food practices didn't change. They were clean and tidy but chicken wasn't viewed as a toxin. I personally have learned and use better habits while cooking but food to me just gets eaten. After watching TV shows where they test temperature and what not I'm still not convinced that that food would harm me. Food is my friend. Even Taco Bell. Like twice a year or so. I figure it's partly an immunity thing and just plain ole Darwinism at work. Crazy thing is that my sister is lactose intolerant. She almost didn't make it. Where I'm from, all babies need milk. Right outa the cow. She leaves food out all the time too. The only thing that I can't handle well is Chinese food. A Chinese food buffet? Forget about it.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Davemcc said:
That's still new. Any mayo that isn't a clear yellow color is still good, right?
Dave, if I was a rotten SOB, I'd ask: "hey Dave try it and let us know!";) :D An egg and oil product that's a year old, I'd say good lubricant for U-joints.:D
 
D

Dolby CP-200

Banned
This place is the worse of its kind, I guess the owner is Chinese you know year of the RAT in your finger licking bucket!! Get the picture!:( :eek:
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Alex2507 said:
I was born in a place where you got water from the well outside. The people left food out overnight always. Granted their infant mortality rate was right through the roof but one thing is for sure, if you can make it there you can make it anywhere. New York has nothing on them. Understand that my parents never went to school. So when we got here food practices didn't change. They were clean and tidy but chicken wasn't viewed as a toxin. I personally have learned and use better habits while cooking but food to me just gets eaten. After watching TV shows where they test temperature and what not I'm still not convinced that that food would harm me. Food is my friend. Even Taco Bell. Like twice a year or so. I figure it's partly an immunity thing and just plain ole Darwinism at work. Crazy thing is that my sister is lactose intolerant. She almost didn't make it. Where I'm from, all babies need milk. Right outa the cow. She leaves food out all the time too. The only thing that I can't handle well is Chinese food. A Chinese food buffet? Forget about it.
Dude! you must have a stomache like a rock,i see that kinda stuff on tv where the meats just hanging on a hook,out in the sun with flies buzzin all over the meat & i think how on earth are these people still alive,if i ate one bite of that tv meat i'd be a gonner for sure.

Same goes for the milk straight from the cow,a friend of mine has worked in a dairy for 30 years & for years he would take home unprocessed milk till one batch he got was bad or something,that milk allmost killed him,the doctor's did not expect him to live & it was a close one.

It has to be some kinda accuired immunity.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
markw said:
I'll do Mickey D's for breakfast and that's about it. I've got no use for them afterthe breakfast menu comes down.
Same here,if mickey d's isnt still serving breakfast im outta there,their breakfast is the best but their burger menu all tastes bland to me.

Subway & Quiznos are my favorites,the black angus sub at quiznos is excellent.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
highfihoney said:
if i ate one bite of that tv meat i'd be a gonner for sure.

Same goes for the milk straight from the cow,a friend of mine has worked in a dairy for 30 years & for years he would take home unprocessed milk till one batch he got was bad or something,that milk allmost killed him,the doctor's did not expect him to live & it was a close one.

It has to be some kinda accuired immunity.
When I said my lactose intolerant sister almost didn't make it I mean she died and was brought back. Our people would never put lactose and intolerant into one sentence nevermind right next to each other. There are ways to cure meat. Look at beef jerky and prosicutto.

There is a lot to be said for the aquired immunity theory. In all seriousness I want you to consider what a breast fed baby is eating. The breast milk I got had antibodies to food born bacteria. I have eaten raw bacon more times than most people have eaten filet mignon.:eek: I don't anymore because I'm scared. As a joke I tell people that I like my chicken a little on the rare side.:D I did get sick as a dog once but I think my wife at the time was poisoning me.:(
That would be an interesting thread doomed for lockdown. Obviously I just discovered the smilies.:cool:
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Alex2507 said:
I did get sick as a dog once but I think my wife at the time was poisoning me.:( That would be an interesting thread doomed for lockdown. Obviously I just discovered the smilies.:cool:
Are you serious about your ex wife trying to poison you:eek:

Damm,i was only kidding but a woman trying to poison you is some serious business.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
highfihoney said:
Are you serious about your ex wife trying to poison you:eek:

Damm,i was only kidding but a woman trying to poison you is some serious business.
She didn't get caught or anything but I wouldn't hold it past her.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Alex2507 said:
She didn't get caught or anything but I wouldn't hold it past her.
Ah, ex-wives. Certainly a worthy topic to be included in a thread of things that make your stomach churn.
 
M

markw

Audioholic Overlord
Ah yes, ex wives....

I told my first wife I'd go through hell for her. Damned if she didn't hold me to my word. :eek:
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
Hardy's makes some really decent burgers. Although the amount of calories is staggering on those thickburgers, but what the hell, treat yourself to those thickburgers once a month, and you are in heaven.
 
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