"HDMI cables are very expensive cables"

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JeffCos

Enthusiast
Said the guy at best buy today when I went to check how much they wanted for an HDMI cable. No, i was not shopping for one, I know where to go for that. I was there for something else and I wanted to see how much they were getting for them. I love bluejeans more and more every day.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Can't really beat places like BlueJeans for that kind of stuff. I always think it is funny when I see $120 HDMI cables at places like BB and CC.
 
zildjian

zildjian

Audioholic Chief
It's been recommended a few times already in other posts, but for anybody who hasn't read it before, Monoprice dot com has the best prices that I've found for basic cable needs. The standard 28AWG HDMI cable should be good enough for short to average length cable runs (5 meters is it?), beyond that the 24 AWG HDMI cables would be worth it, but again, from a place like monoprice, you're still talking about just $15 for the better cable. Snake oil must be expensive cause products with it sure cost a lot! :D
 
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lmarc78

Enthusiast
the only problem I seem to have with monoprice is everyone's found out about them and they are sold out of everything.I called customer service today and the lady said there was about 360 people waiting for the same cable as me (HDMI). can you guys tell me what the link to blue jeans is?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
zildjian said:
Snake oil must be expensive cause products with it sure cost a lot! :D

Just the words alone costs a fortune, let alone markup, profit, etc:D
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
I recently purchased a 22awg 35' HDMI cable from Monoprice and I am very impressed. It works great and it is the thickest HDMI cable I have seen. It is built very sturdy.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Audioquest, Monster Cable, other snake oil names-

$129 dollars please.:D
 
no. 5

no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
Seth=L said:
Audioquest, Monster Cable, other snake oil names-

$129 dollars please.:D
that's cheep; AQ's HDMI 1 is $225 for six feet. :eek:
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
no. 5 said:
that's cheep; AQ's HDMI 1 is $225 for six feet. :eek:
It was a charge for using their name, I will never ever buy Audioquest or Monster again.

Another charge for use of names of snake oil company names: $129.:D
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Seth=L said:
It was a charge for using their name, I will never ever buy Audioquest or Monster again.

Another charge for use of names of snake oil company names: $129.:D

Life is a learning experience from one end to the other:D If we don't reinvent the wheel at every turn, then it may be less expensive:D
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I have no problem with AQ or Monster, as long as you don't pay retail for them :) For component video and HDMI though, I'd still go with Blue Jeans.
 
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JeffCos

Enthusiast
Will an HDMI cable from any of the audioholics approved brands actually improve picture quality as compared to a cable from any of the mainstream brands like Monster or AR? I've finally got a cable box with an HDMI out so I went to a local store to buy an HDMI cable (all they had was a monster 300) to see if there was a difference as compared to the BlueJeans components that I had hooked up and to see if it worked properly. HOLY CRAP IN A CAN!! The picture is unbelievable!! It just blows the components away. So i promptly ordered an HDMI from BlueJeans. So does anyone know if i'm going to see an even greater improvement in picture quality when I get the bluejeans cable or am I just going to be saving $75?

Jeff
 
obscbyclouds

obscbyclouds

Senior Audioholic
Will an HDMI cable from any of the audioholics approved brands actually improve picture quality as compared to a cable from any of the mainstream brands like Monster or AR? I've finally got a cable box with an HDMI out so I went to a local store to buy an HDMI cable (all they had was a monster 300) to see if there was a difference as compared to the BlueJeans components that I had hooked up and to see if it worked properly. HOLY CRAP IN A CAN!! The picture is unbelievable!! It just blows the components away. So i promptly ordered an HDMI from BlueJeans. So does anyone know if i'm going to see an even greater improvement in picture quality when I get the bluejeans cable or am I just going to be saving $75?

Jeff
The picture should be the same with the bluejeans cable, but you can spend $75 on something that matters :)
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Bah, Monster and AQ are cheap, check these guys out!

https://www.virtualdynamics.ca/content.php?id=128

If you are allergic to snake oil, I suggest you stay away. Man I can't wait to get some cables that have been cooked and cyrogenically frozen! ;)
From the virtual page:

"we first crimp the conductors to reduce the amount of solder the electrical signal must pass through."

I thought, never having soldered before, that when you solder wires together, the wires should already be touching and the solder forms an airtight seal around the connection.
If this is the case, I guess that virtualdynamics is saying that they use poor solder technique because the signal passes from wire to solder to wire?

-pat
 
2*pi*f*t

2*pi*f*t

Enthusiast
From the virtual page:

"we first crimp the conductors to reduce the amount of solder the electrical signal must pass through."

I thought, never having soldered before, that when you solder wires together, the wires should already be touching and the solder forms an airtight seal around the connection.
If this is the case, I guess that virtualdynamics is saying that they use poor solder technique because the signal passes from wire to solder to wire?

-pat
Hi Pat,

Don't be too hard on 'em. This is not hoo-doo on their part. Compression terminations WHEN DONE PROPERLY are simply better than soldered ones. Numerous studies have proved this.

The hoo-doo begins with soldering after the compression is done. This is overkill as it serves no purpose and, if not done properly, can actually compromise quality of the compression joint. This is not snake oil per se put a play to the consumer about over-engineering and quality construction/manufacturing, which of course justifies their asking price.

You will find most of this stuff is highly over-engineered and over-manufactured in the extreme which is why it is ultimately so costly. (think laboratory stuff.) Alas value is in the eye of the beholder like beauty and consumer demand does drive the market for this stuff. On this board, I've yet to see a system that would ever benefit from a lot of this kind of stuff. HT systems simply don't have the resolution or analytical sound of a $100,000+ stereo system--Goldmund systems start at $1,000,000. And no one would buy it, even if you got the price down, because most everything would sound terrible. Why? Because one would be listening to all the flaws in the source material. TV and movie sound quality are the pits!** These are not live performances in a multi-million dollar concert hall but over-mixed, over-dubbed, compressed, equalized, expanded, digital processed multi-track/source signals starting with those recorded on set (wherever that might be.) A better analogy is visual effects. Ever notice how you feel watching cheesy visuals that don't come-off too well because your TV/monitor is too good at resolving the details that show the effect glaringly fake? That would be the same kinda deal. One couldn't enjoy the show for noticing all the mixing/production techniques and screw-ups. It would destroy the illusion and when all is said and done it this the reason for HT anyway?

**They will never equal music recordings which are often rehearsed for months if not years then executed in acoustically wonderful venues using microphones that are too delicate for field work. Not only that but a recording engineer has a mydraid of the to choose for just the right instrument or voice! Then there is near-field and far-field miking that don't happen on set which use completely different mics, aka highly directional one. You get the idea here. Studio verses a set. Different application--different sound.
 
2*pi*f*t

2*pi*f*t

Enthusiast
Will an HDMI cable from any of the audioholics approved brands actually improve picture quality as compared to a cable from any of the mainstream brands like Monster or AR? I've finally got a cable box with an HDMI out so I went to a local store to buy an HDMI cable (all they had was a monster 300) to see if there was a difference as compared to the BlueJeans components that I had hooked up and to see if it worked properly. HOLY CRAP IN A CAN!! The picture is unbelievable!! It just blows the components away. So i promptly ordered an HDMI from BlueJeans. So does anyone know if i'm going to see an even greater improvement in picture quality when I get the bluejeans cable or am I just going to be saving $75?

Jeff
Jeff,

The beauty of digital verses analog is if you get the signal at all then you get the whole signal. Analog signals by their nature degrade and can never be transmitted without induced distortion, noise or loss. So for a digital cable then one's criterion should be its mechanical construction. Get one that makes good contact, is quality made and you'll be fine. Anything else is overkill.
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
2*pi*f*t - Thanks for the info. I had never actually thought about the steps of crimping then soldering as opposed to soldering and then crimping. The first order makes more sense when you think about it.

I wasn't actually wondering about that aspect of the solder process as much as their website implies that the wires soldered together are not actually touching when soldered! It would make sense for the wires to be touching so there is direct contact between the two avenues of travel as opposed to having a new metal introduced in with different properties than the copper.

-pat
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I wasn't actually wondering about that aspect of the solder process as much as their website implies that the wires soldered together are not actually touching when soldered! It would make sense for the wires to be touching so there is direct contact between the two avenues of travel as opposed to having a new metal introduced in with different properties than the copper.

-pat
You will have a different material in the spade lug or banana plug, no matter what:D I doubt they are all copper. Or the amp terminals. Cannot get away from different metals:D
 

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