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drivehard

Audioholic Intern
Oh yeah...

another band to check out...not really Metal, but super fookin sweet non the less is Kamelot...its well mixed as well. Disc "The Black Halo" I pleed you seriously give them a try.

I play this on a Yamaha 659 powering a 7.1 with the Primus 360s as mains and a Primus center and a Cerwin Vega 12" homemade sub powered with about 360 watts RMS soundstream...the box is made for music with a quick drop off below 30 hz...this seems to help with this style of music for me.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
I'm obviously getting old because I don't recognize any of these 'metal' bands. In my day, Ronnie James Dio and Black Sabbath were considered metal. Compared to the newer stuff they would now be pop rock.
 
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obscbyclouds

Senior Audioholic
Have you tried using A lossless format such as WMA lossless or .wav?

I know they're large files, but they definately have less compression.

BTW, Opeth are one of the best bands ever! So talented.
 
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Resident Loser said:
"Passion and love of music"????...music requires melody and this stuff is completely devoid of it..
This is an extremely ignorant statement - on more than one level.

We should avoid this discussion, unless you're ready to have a paradigm shift. :D
 
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highfihoney said:
Obviously you realize that your overloading your subs capabilities in fact its next to impossible for any single sub to be able to accurately reproduce this kind of music.



No,your missing a big part of the picture,it hasnt sounded bad on every system you've played the music on.

Take a look at the table top's bass response capabilities,it has none or very little,no matter what you do its only going to reproduce the highest of bass notes,more like deep midrange than a real bass response,this is why the vocals sound clear on the cheap system,your klipsch has the capability to reproduce the lower bass notes & with so many hard hitting low notes going on at once & at the speed they are happening there's no way any standard single sub will keep up,it's not going to happen.

You've got some choices in solving this problem,first off & the easiest & no cash solution is to take some of the load off of your sub,i would guess that your sub is set at it's lowest possible setting,this is not good for that type of music,you can adjust your sub to help clean up the vocals & to get a cleaner bass response.

Start out with the db level of the music just beyond the point where the bass gets muddy & start raising the bass response until the vocals start to sound right & the bass becomes clear,you will lose some bass response but it shouldnt be very audible & it should stop the smearing of the bass,the response you will loose is down in the 10hz to 20 hz range & those frequiences are more felt than heard but they will reek havoc on a sub that is multi tasking.

If after doing this & the vocals & bass response sound the way you want but you still miss a bit of the IMPACT OR SLAM THAT YOU FEELyou can restore that effect by adding another sub that can dig very deep to atleast 20hz but preferably 10hz & let the other sub reproduce all the higher octave bass notes.

You need to understand that the type of bass response required to handle these type of constant low octave bass notes are way beyong most single driver single xover subwoofers capabilities to start with,a normal bass note in the extreme lower octaves is more like a slow droning effect where the single note lasts for several seconds & the notes are not a constant,in death metal these notes are constant which is whats leading to your sub being overloaded & over worked & is gaurenteed to be causing all of the smearing of the bass.
This is exactly what I was looking for and I really appreciate it - Thank you.

I am mostly concerned with making the right choices when I finally set something up in my car.

If I do it, I'll DO IT and not pinch pennies. I'm thinking then I will need two subs - two different subs. One for the deep midrange (vocal land) and then another that can handle the real forceful stuff down at 10ish hz. And then I'll simply have to play with the bass response in the EQ untill everything is taking care of what it should be?
 
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drivehard said:
Just have to say I'm a big fan of true metal as well:D

For those who are new to this genre...I would start with the following:

Killswitch Engage "The End of Heartache"
Shadows Fall "War Within"

I think these two bands are a good intro...one is more melodic (killswitch) and the other a bit heavier on the drums and a bit heavier on the vocals.
Those bands would be good beginning bands for people interested in getting into metal but they are beginning bands only in my opinion.

All of the attributes exclusive to extreme metal, and the qualities it shares with the world's very best music... they do not apply to pop-metalcore like Killswitch. Shadows fall were pretty legit but I did not enjoy the war within - I much prefer The art of balance.

I don't mean to be offensive or pompous or anything, I'm not a snob. I do know what I enjoy and why I think this or that is quality though.. so I guess it's hard not sounding like an elitist sometimes. I believe taste is relative in nearly all situations.

It took me years to appreciate actual metal... starting with hard rock, then I heard some more involved stuff like mudvayne.. then on to some legitimate metal that is still very openly catchy like Scar Culture... and on to a life consumed by love for death/black/grind/progressive metal.

What else are you into sir?
 
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drivehard

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Those bands would be good beginning bands for people interested in getting into metal but they are beginning bands only in my opinion.

All of the attributes exclusive to extreme metal, and the qualities it shares with the world's very best music... they do not apply to pop-metalcore like Killswitch. Shadows fall were pretty legit but I did not enjoy the war within - I much prefer The art of balance.

I don't mean to be offensive or pompous or anything, I'm not a snob. I do know what I enjoy and why I think this or that is quality though.. so I guess it's hard not sounding like an elitist sometimes. I believe taste is relative in nearly all situations.

It took me years to appreciate actual metal... starting with hard rock, then I heard some more involved stuff like mudvayne.. then on to some legitimate metal that is still very openly catchy like Scar Culture... and on to a life consumed by love for death/black/grind/progressive metal.

What else are you into sir?

That is basically what I said...these bands are a good place to start!

I will say that I did enjoy and still do enjoy listening to both of those discs though. I also enjoyed the new Killswitch CD and most all of the Shadows Fall CD's.

I'm guessing my tastes may be a bit different than you though. I've not listened to "Life Consumed by Love", but am more than willing to give it a try. I am limited to my listening though, as I can't listen at work, and my wife does not approve of most of the metal I listen to at home
 
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drivehard

Audioholic Intern
Those bands would be good beginning bands for people interested in getting into metal but they are beginning bands only in my opinion.

All of the attributes exclusive to extreme metal, and the qualities it shares with the world's very best music... they do not apply to pop-metalcore like Killswitch. Shadows fall were pretty legit but I did not enjoy the war within - I much prefer The art of balance.

I don't mean to be offensive or pompous or anything, I'm not a snob. I do know what I enjoy and why I think this or that is quality though.. so I guess it's hard not sounding like an elitist sometimes. I believe taste is relative in nearly all situations.

It took me years to appreciate actual metal... starting with hard rock, then I heard some more involved stuff like mudvayne.. then on to some legitimate metal that is still very openly catchy like Scar Culture... and on to a life consumed by love for death/black/grind/progressive metal.

What else are you into sir?

That is basically what I said...these bands are a good place to start!

I will say that I did enjoy and still do enjoy listening to both of those discs though. I also enjoyed the new Killswitch CD and most all of the Shadows Fall CD's.

I'm guessing my tastes may be a bit different than you though. I've not listened to "Life Consumed by Love", but am more than willing to give it a try. I am limited to my listening though, as I can't listen at work, and my wife does not approve of most of the metal I listen to at home:D

I enjoy pretty much anything I can get my hands on really...here is what is in my carry with CD case:

Shadows Fall
Killswitch Engage
Black Flood Diesel
Trivium
Kamelot
Meshuggah
Lamb of God
Volume 1 & 2 of MTV Headbangers Ball
Static-X
Mushroomhead
Lacuna Coil
Mastodon
Dimmu Borgir
Hatebreed

So yeah...I suppose its mostly mainstream stuff now that I think about it. Trouble is, living here in Iowa, I'm still a loner in being a metal fan (unless you count slipknot). List up some good stuff, and I'll give it a try. I love Pandora and hear tons of stuff I like, but never remember to write down the names of the bands...like right now Vader is playing. They sound pretty freakin sweet, but I doubt I will remember to go out and get anything else by them.
 

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