Israel's influence on US foreign policies

[TankTop5]

While I do not agree with the way he has stated his opinion in some areas and I do not wish any state to be whiped out. I have to say that like our tRump that Netenasshole has made no friends and when the orange man calls him out then you know something is really wrong.

Israel is a very liberal Nation and many of them feel similar to you but they are also realists and recognize they need Netanyahu. They mostly dislike him but realize 2 billion Muslim neighbors would be perfectly happy to wipe them off the face of the earth. Luckily half those Muslims are Capitalists and that political climate values wealth and realizes that all goes away if they attacked Israel.

 

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Approximately 70 to 80 Muslims have held elected office in Israel. Now let’s look at all Muslim countries combined and how many Jews have held elected office.

Israeli money going to US politics is about 3% of the Middle East where Muslim countries make up 97% of all political contributions in the US from the region.

Your statement is unbelievably racist, bringing back antisemitism and you’re proud of it, wild.

Prove your statements about Muslim elected officials in Israel.

I'm so f'in tired of the fall back call to antisemitism. I have nothing against the Jews but I dam well condemn the Zionist fascists running Israel and performing ethnic cleansing first in the West Bank/Gaza and now in Lebanon. Even the Jewish people who live outside Israel are condemning the Israelis. Educate yourself as to what is really going on instead of gleaming headlines from Foxx news ffs!!

 

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While I do not agree with the way he has stated his opinion in some areas and I do not wish any state to be whiped out. I have to say that like our tRump that Netenasshole has made no friends and when the orange man calls him out then you know something is really wrong.

I never said wipe out the state of Israel. I said wipe out their military. Big difference.

 

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Israel is a very liberal Nation and many of them feel similar to you but they are also realists and recognize they need Netanyahu. They mostly dislike him but realize 2 billion Muslim neighbors would be perfectly happy to wipe them off the face of the earth. Luckily half those Muslims are Capitalists and that political climate values wealth and realizes that all goes away if they attacked Israel.

Israel was once a very liberal state but that changed in 1996.

Another Israeli propaganda campaign about the Arab neighbors.. Lets see now..... During the war, both Iran and Hezbollah only went after US/Israeli military targets, Israelis target civilians indiscriminately. There's a humanitarian crisis in the West Bank and Gaza where the Palestinian people have no access to fresh food, water, and or meds. Why?? Because the Israelis are blocking UN relief from coming in. During he ceasefire, Israel is still hitting Lebanon.

 

[GO-NAD!]

I never said wipe out the state of Israel. I said wipe out their military. Big difference.

Well, let's be honest. If the Israeli military was wiped out, the state would surely follow.

 

[TankTop5]

Israel was once a very liberal state but that changed in 1996.

Another Israeli propaganda campaign about the Arab neighbors.. Lets see now..... During the war, both Iran and Hezbollah only went after US/Israeli military targets, Israelis target civilians indiscriminately. There's a humanitarian crisis in the West Bank and Gaza where the Palestinian people have no access to fresh food, water, and or meds. Why?? Because the Israelis are blocking UN relief from coming in. During he ceasefire, Israel is still hitting Lebanon.

You’re completely insane and none of that is remotely true. I’m not even gonna bother with the fact because your mind is already made up. No sense in rolling in your mud with you.

 

[TankTop5]

WHAT WE GIVE ISRAEL

The standard US military aid package is $3.8 billion per year $3.3 billion in Foreign Military Financing plus $500 million for joint missile defense programs. Israel must spend most of this on US-made products and services, and by 2028 essentially all of it must be spent in America.

WHAT ISRAEL GIVES BACK

1. F-35 R&D Savings: 55 billion
Israel resolved multiple technical issues during the F-35’s early development, reducing US R&D costs by an estimated $55 billion and accelerating deployment timelines. The total F-35 program cost was $55 billion in R&D Israel’s combat testing effectively saved the US from having to discover and fix those problems on their own dime.

2. Intelligence Value: equivalent to 5 CIAs (75 billion/year)

General George Keegan, former Chief of US Air Force Intelligence, stated that Israel’s intel value equals “5 CIAs” providing a 400% return on investment on the $3.8 billion aid package. One CIA budget runs approximately $15 billion. Five times that equals roughly $75 billion worth of intelligence annually for $3.8 billion in aid.

3. Strategic Base Value: $15–20 billion/year

As stated by Admiral Elmo Zumwalt and General Alexander Haig, Israel is the largest US aircraft carrier that does not require US military personnel on board, cannot be sunk, and is deployed in a critical region sparing the US the need to manufacture, deploy, and maintain real aircraft carriers with ground divisions, which would cost the US $15–20 billion annually.

4. F-35 Export Multiplier: $40 billion in sales, $173 billion backlog
Israel’s battle-tested performance and upgrades to the F-35 contribute to $40 billion in US exports and a $173 billion backlog for US industry. Israel essentially serves as the world’s most credible advertisement for American weapons.

5. Jobs and Economic Output: 255,000 jobs, $72 billion annually
The F-35 economic engine alone supports 290,000 US employees and $72 billion in annual economic output. Israeli stakeholders hold contracts with over 1,000 American companies across 48 states, DC, and Puerto Rico.

Why do people need to lie about this?

Because they have nefarious reasons.

There’s no other reason to lie about this stuff.

 

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You’re completely insane and none of that is remotely true. I’m not even gonna bother with the fact because your mind is already made up. No sense in rolling in your mud with you.

You are completely blind to the facts that are truly going on I wouldn't lower myself to be rolling in the mud with you.

 

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Well, let's be honest. If the Israeli military was wiped out, the state would surely follow.

That's up to the Israeli leadership to determine isn't. They keep sabotaging the cease fire and attempted peace deals. Are you ok with this? Are you ok with the ongoing Palestinian genocide and now the attempted ethnic cleansing in Lebanon?

 

[GO-NAD!]

Israel is a very liberal Nation and many of them feel similar to you but they are also realists and recognize they need Netanyahu. They mostly dislike him but realize 2 billion Muslim neighbors would be perfectly happy to wipe them off the face of the earth. Luckily half those Muslims are Capitalists and that political climate values wealth and realizes that all goes away if they attacked Israel.

I'm not sure what you mean by "very liberal", as the "liberal" spectrum is fairly broad, including conservative liberals and socialist liberals. Regardless, while there is a significant progessive/centre-left demographic in Israel, the government is very conservative.

Israel needs Netanyahu and his cabinet like a hole in the head. It was that government who helped Hamas gain power in Gaza, as a counter-balance to Fatah in the West Bank and to keep the Palestinian territories divided. While over the short term, that cynical policy may have worked to some degree, they should have known that helping Hamas was doing a deal with the devil. While Iran and Qatar may have loaded the Hamas magazine, Israel's own government facilitated the delivery of the bullets.

 

[GO-NAD!]

That's up to the Israeli leadership to determine isn't. They keep sabotaging the cease fire and attempted peace deals. Are you ok with this? Are you ok with the ongoing Palestinian genocide and now the attempted ethnic cleansing in Lebanon?

Oh, to be clear, I'm OK with very little that the current Israeli government has done over the past few years. The current strife in the Middle East is a direct result of the Israeli government's actions.

I'm skeptical that Israeli action in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon is at the level of genocide, but they have certainly committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.

 

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Oh, to be clear, I'm OK with very little that the current Israeli government has done over the past few years. The current strife in the Middle East is a direct result of the Israeli government's actions.

I'm skeptical that Israeli action in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon is at the level of genocide, but they have certainly committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.

So to be VERY clear here...I condemn strikes against Israeli civilian targets.

Skeptical to the link of evidence that NATO declares West Bank and Gaza as genocide??

 

[jinjuku]

While I do not agree with the way he has stated his opinion in some areas and I do not wish any state to be whiped out. I have to say that like our tRump that Netenasshole has made no friends and when the orange man calls him out then you know something is really wrong.

The current Israeli hardline didn't happen overnight. You still have some aspects of Israeli identity going back to the 1967 spoils that were given back in, what some believed, was meant to foster at least a conversation about a lasting peace.

You have the failed Camp David and Oslo Accords, while Israel didn't necessarily do themselves any favor, the failure ultimately rest with the Palestinians and the progrom of the 3 no's. And with these two attempts Israel did make meaningful concessions.

So in the light of that history I think Israel has washed their hands of that approach.

 

[jinjuku]

Oh, to be clear, I'm OK with very little that the current Israeli government has done over the past few years. The current strife in the Middle East is a direct result of the Israeli government's actions.

I'm skeptical that Israeli action in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon is at the level of genocide, but they have certainly committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Iran and it's constant antagonism is a major contributor. Iran is at odds, historically, with the bulk of the middle-east states.

So much so that Saudi Arabia even asked the U.S. to cut off the head of the snake.

Plenty of war crimes to go around and anyone from any faction needs to answer for them.

I'm in favor of true energy independence and just get out of middle east affairs.

 

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The current Israeli hardline didn't happen overnight. You still have some aspects of Israeli identity going back to the 1967 spoils that were given back in, what some believed, was meant to foster at least a conversation about a lasting peace.

You have the failed Camp David and Oslo Accords, while Israel didn't necessarily do themselves any favor, the failure ultimately rest with the Palestinians and the progrom of the 3 no's. And with these two attempts Israel did make meaningful concessions.

So in the light of that history I think Israel has washed their hands of that approach.

The failure of the Oslo Accords.....

Impact and Legacy
The Accords fundamentally altered the dynamics of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and transformed the struggle for Palestinian self-determination: [1]

• Positive Developments: They initiated the first direct governance by Palestinians over their own population centers and led to the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to Yasser Arafat, Yitzhak Rabin, and Shimon Peres. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Breakdown and Criticism: The peace process ultimately stalled and collapsed due to a combination of factors, including the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, continued settlement expansion, outbreaks of violence (including the Second Intifada), and deep distrust on both sides. [1, 2, 3]

 

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Iran and it's constant antagonism is a major contributor. Iran is at odds, historically, with the bulk of the middle-east states.

So much so that Saudi Arabia even asked the U.S. to cut off the head of the snake.

Plenty of war crimes to go around and anyone from any faction needs to answer for them.

I'm in favor of true energy independence and just get out of middle east affairs.

The late Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, consistently maintained that the development, stockpiling, and use of nuclear weapons were religious crimes under Islamic law. He famously issued a religious decree (fatwa) declaring such weapons strictly haram (forbidden), asserting that Iran’s nuclear program was purely for peaceful, civilian energy purposes. [1, 2, 3]
Key Details of His Stance:

• The Fatwa: Originating in the mid-1990s, this declaration was formally announced to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in 2005. It stated that weapons of mass destruction have no place in Iran's military or defense doctrine. [1, 2]
• Deterrence vs. Destruction: While Khamenei viewed nuclear technology and research as a national asset, he explicitly claimed that possessing nuclear warheads fundamentally contradicted Islamic principles. [1, 2]
• International Perspectives: While Iranian officials repeatedly used this stance as a diplomatic shield to deny pursuing nuclear arms, international analysts and foreign policy experts frequently debated whether the fatwa was a binding religious injunction or a political tool

The Origin of the Phrase "to cut off the head of the snake"
The expression entered public global diplomacy after the 2010 WikiLeaks release of classified U.S. diplomatic cables. The leaks revealed that the late King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia had repeatedly exhorted the United States to launch military strikes against Iran to destroy its nuclear program. According to the 2008 cables, Saudi officials explicitly told U.S. commanders that the King wanted them to "cut off the head of the snake" before it was too late.

Yet in the mid 1990s, there were no nuclear weapons of mass destruction based on Islamic law. Go figure!!

 

[jinjuku]

Yet in the mid 1990s, there were no nuclear weapons of mass destruction based on Islamic law. Go figure!!

Yet Iran has violated their agreements and aren't to be trusted wrt processing fissible materials.

I don't know of any mid-east country that thinks an Nuclear armed Iran would actually ease tensions.

 

[lovinthehd]

Yet Iran has violated their agreements and aren't to be trusted wrt processing fissible materials.

I don't know of any mid-east country that thinks an Nuclear armed Iran would actually ease tensions.

Our biggest concern is the orange buffoon with nuclear capabilities, and a cornered Putin to an extent.

 

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Yet Iran has violated their agreements and aren't to be trusted wrt processing fissible materials.

I don't know of any mid-east country that thinks an Nuclear armed Iran would actually ease tensions.

There has been no documented proof of this whatsoever. Just idle speculation and gossip as usual. The same BS that claimed weapons of mass destruction held by Iraq.

Have you watched the video? I'm thinking not by the response of the sound of crickets I'm hearing here.
Sad, really sad.

 

[lovinthehd]

Too bad Israel wasn't put somewhere else...or that all this religious nonsense still means anything.