How close are we to WWIII?

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I'll add I don't think the economy is crumbling. Yet. I also think McGregor is goofy to stop Ukraine support, but I did find sad the slithery idea Netanyahu wants the US to fight Iran so Israel can bomb Lebanon.

He said if the war continues and the Strait is still locked up, the US economy and not just the US economy but a lot of economies will fail. Him and Pape suggest that you will start seeing evidence of a crumbling ecocnomy this July.

 

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He said if the war continues and the Strait is still locked up, the US economy and not just the US economy but a lot of economies will fail. Him and Pape suggest that you will start seeing evidence of a crumbling ecocnomy this July.

I believe it was Pape who suggested the 14 point agreement be trimmed down to about six, including keeping oil prices stable.

 

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I believe it was Pape who suggested the 14 point agreement be trimmed down to about six, including keeping oil prices stable.

Quite correct. The longer the white houses doofuses (or is it doofii) stall the signing, the more it sits in Iran's favor and the worse the world economy gets.

Pape's new thing is now the price of oil which in the short term is controlled by the US. I need to catch up on his podcasts.

There are those who believe that Hezbohla and Iran are terrorists. I just want to point out that Israeli Hitler and his SS have gone after the civilian population in both Palestine like hospitals, etc and now in Lebanon. Throughout this war, Iran and Hezbohla have mainly targetted the Israeli and US military troops and installations. I agree that Iran has hit some energy installations but those attacks were reserved in nature not compleletly destroying that infrastructure to send a clear message... stop f?cking with us or we will collapse the world economy. Iran has shown remarkable restraint in this war unlike Israel who are now decimating Lebanese civilians.

Its time that Europe and rest of the Western world sees what Israel under Netanyahu and his followers really are. A fascist state bent on intolerance and wanting to dominate the Middle East.

 

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Quite correct. The longer the white houses doofuses (or is it doofii) stall the signing, the more it sits in Iran's favor and the worse the world economy gets.

Pape's new thing is now the price of oil which in the short term is controlled by the US. I need to catch up on his podcasts.

I don't think the US has any control of the price of oil beyond reaching a peace deal with Iran and getting the Strait of Hormuz opened up. Otherwise, it's the world market that determines oil prices.

There are those who believe that Hezbohla and Iran are terrorists. I just want to point out that Israeli Hitler and his SS have gone after the civilian population in both Palestine like hospitals, etc and now in Lebanon. Throughout this war, Iran and Hezbohla have mainly targetted the Israeli and US military troops and installations. I agree that Iran has hit some energy installations but those attacks were reserved in nature not compleletly destroying that infrastructure to send a clear message... stop f?cking with us or we will collapse the world economy. Iran has shown remarkable restraint in this war unlike Israel who are now decimating Lebanese civilians.

Its time that Europe and rest of the Western world sees what Israel under Netanyahu and his followers really are. A fascist state bent on intolerance and wanting to dominate the Middle East.

Iran has been careful to target US military installations in neighbouring countries, because they don't want to provoke them all to join the war against them. The problem in Israel is that the left and moderates are divided and outnumbered by Orthodox Jews/hard right who, since they have a lot more kids, are rapidly changing the demographic composition of Israel. That doesn't bode well for the future.

There are Israeli peace groups who are trying to find common ground with moderate Palestinians, but they are voices in the wilderness.

 

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I don't think the US has any control of the price of oil beyond reaching a peace deal with Iran and getting the Strait of Hormuz opened up. Otherwise, it's the world market that determines oil prices.

What I meant by that is until the US gets alternate supplies of oil to its refineries that do not involve the strait. This will benefit Canada as well as get the majority of our refined oil from the US.

Iran has been careful to target US military installations in neighbouring countries, because they don't want to provoke them all to join the war against them.

Iran was careful not to target civilians is my point.

The problem in Israel is that the left and moderates are divided and outnumbered by Orthodox Jews/hard right who, since they have a lot more kids, are rapidly changing the demographic composition of Israel. That doesn't bode well for the future.

There are Israeli peace groups who are trying to find common ground with moderate Palestinians, but they are voices in the wilderness.

Like Yitzhak Rabin who was assassinated by one of right wing radicals.

 

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Sadly lots of different things at play. An ultra narcissist with the option to leave Iran and face his most disliked thought of a humiliating defeat. There's Netanyahoo invading Lebanon and hopes to keep the war going on for as long as possible. There's the midterms and if the Republicans lose branches the Democrats would take over and presumably seek to remove Trump from office and put him on trial. There's also the possibility we cannot get outta this war because leaving might not make bring more stability. I'm no foreign expert so basically just thoughts. It seems to me you either have to be fully in the mission or not. It requires ground forces but also we'd have to have bases or some type of permanent residency to make a true regime change and be there during elections so no radical militant group can sweep in. Latest I heard was they were suppose to come together for an agreement and than Trump ordered more bombings so there goes that.

As a side note, I heard broadcaster Mark Levin was one of the individuals who were influential in urging Trump to go ahead with this war. If that's true how sad do you have to be to listen to what that loser has to say?

 

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Interview with Professor Phillips O'Brien

Some points I gleaned from the interview:
1. No such thing as a "Great Power". Time and time again, history has shown great powers losing conflicts they started. So, what makes them so great?

2. Iran-US: What would victory look like? For Iran, regime survival is all that would be required to consider it a victory. On the other hand, for the US, regime change in Iran is required. Anything less would have to be considered a loss.

3. With so many US assets tied up with Iran, the ability to defend Taiwan is severely curtailed - not that Trump is inclined to help Taiwan anyway. That said, it would be no cakewalk for China and they should think very carefully before attempting an invasion.

4. Having lots of military assets is one thing. The capacity to support them in a conflict is a different thing. This is being demonstrated right now, as the US scrambles to increase production of munitions.

5. European countries won't be able to count on US help. They need to standardise weapon system designs. The US has about 30 "systems", i.e. one tank, one artillery piece, one main class of destroyer, one standard rifle, etc. European nations have about 130 different systems and some consolidation is needed if they are going to defend themselves as a group.

6. The outcome of the war in Ukraine will determine the future of Europe.

7. If there is no regime change in Iran that results in a government that is at least neutral, if not actually friendly towards the US, the stature of the US on the world stage will be notably diminished.

 

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Sadly lots of different things at play. An ultra narcissist with the option to leave Iran and face his most disliked thought of a humiliating defeat. There's Netanyahoo invading Lebanon and hopes to keep the war going on for as long as possible. There's the midterms and if the Republicans lose branches the Democrats would take over and presumably seek to remove Trump from office and put him on trial. There's also the possibility we cannot get outta this war because leaving might not make bring more stability. I'm no foreign expert so basically just thoughts. It seems to me you either have to be fully in the mission or not. It requires ground forces but also we'd have to have bases or some type of permanent residency to make a true regime change and be there during elections so no radical militant group can sweep in. Latest I heard was they were suppose to come together for an agreement and than Trump ordered more bombings so there goes that.

As a side note, I heard broadcaster Mark Levin was one of the individuals who were influential in urging Trump to go ahead with this war. If that's true how sad do you have to be to listen to what that loser has to say?

The instability in the middle east lies directly on Israel's shoulder. They have been war mongering ever since its inception, not respecting treaties and international borders, nor do they respect human life. They are the true terrorists of the Middle East.

 

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Hey brother . I find it so ironic that the US and Israeli's wanted a regime change and to go after the nuclear material that Iran has. Because of the western world's ignorance of Iran, they did not know that their religion forbade killing civilians during war time, (Its a major law or rule in their religion) which prevented Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The son of the murdered supreme leader has now squashed this religious aspect and is convinced that they need nuclear weapons as a deterrent against US and Israeli attacks. Trump and the rest of his uneducated administration blindly followed Israeli Hitler into attacking Iran and the world will enter a global depression.

 

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The instability in the middle east lies directly on Israel's shoulder. They have been war mongering ever since its inception, not respecting treaties and international borders, nor do they respect human life. They are the true terrorists of the Middle East.

Sadly it looks like the US involvement in Iran is a territory grab for Netanyahu in Lebanon.

 

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Sadly it looks like the US involvement in Iran is a territory grab for Netanyahu in Lebanon.

Iran won't let that happen. Israeli's Iron Dome anti-missile system has been depleted and Iran possess far more missiles than Israeli's counter measures. Unlike Israel that bomb civilians and civilian targets, Iran will pummel Israeli bases. Iran and Hezbollah will drive the Israeli's back into their borders.