Music server issue

[little wing]

But what devices/commands do that particularly?

Answered below. Forgot to add. AVR is hardwired to the router. And the PC on the second floor uses the wireless connection to the router.

 

[highfigh]

Network music is FLAC and WAV files stored on a Windows PC running JRiver. So it's local. Tidal comes from the internet, both controlled with the Yamaha musiccast app on my phone.

Yamaha AVR or standalone device like WXC-50? No streaming from local sources should be affected by an internet problem.

Do you control your MusicCast on a computer? Try doing that, if you haven't.

 

[little wing]

Yamaha AVR or standalone device like WXC-50? No streaming from local sources should be affected by an internet problem.

Do you control your MusicCast on a computer? Try doing that, if you haven't.

That's what I was thinking. I have always streamed directly to the AVR with no additional devices. It worked perfect since I bought the AVR about 6 years ago. The problem arose about a year ago and was intermittent, now it happens like every day. I think musiccast is just an app, not on computer. PC is on the second floor anyway, system is on the first floor, I need the phone as the controller.

 

[Eppie]

When you cast to the AVR with JRiver are you able to monitor what is playing on the computer? When the song stops playing does the Musicast app still show that the song is playing or does it show that the stream has stopped? I would try and find out whether it's the AVR that is not receiving or not playing the stream or the computer that stops sending. If the computer is still playing the song but the AVR has stopped that might indicate an issue on the AVR side of things. If this started out as intermittent and then got progressively worse, I am wondering whether it may be a firmware issue with the AVR.

@highfigh do you think a factory reset of the AVR might help? I'm not sure how Musicast works, whether it communicates with the PC or whether it only communicates with the AVR and the AVR is pulling the music from the PC (as opposed to the app pushing music from the PC).

Gemini makes a few suggestions:

• using static IPs to avoid DHCP issues.
• disabling Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) within the Musicast app.
• removing and re-adding devices in the app to resync them.
• clear the cache in the Musicast app on your phone.
• make sure you are running the latest firmware.

If all else fails I would try a factory reset of the AVR but you will need to rerun the setup all over again including any room correction.

 

[little wing]

I think Musiccast just communicates with the AVR and not the PC. I think it acts as just the controller, since the source of the music is actually the PC hard drive.

I can not monitor what's playing on the AVR looking at JRIVER on my computer.

When the music stops on my phone it just shows the "Pause" button. The music will not start again unless I go back to the begining of the song with the "back" button, or go to the next song with the "forward" button.

I have done a soft reset of the AVR not a hard reset yet.

I would have to dig deeper into static IP solution,as I am not familiar.

This is what I found on the DFS part

"There is no direct toggle to disable Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) inside the Yamaha MusicCast app itself"

I have cleared the cache. And do have the latest firmware.

I have uninstalled the musiccast app and will reinstall and set up again. I am doing another soft reset of the AVR, plan to leave it unplugged for about 10 minutes.
This is very fustrating, I can't put finger on the issue, especially since it worked fine for years.

 

[little wing]

I have done a soft rest of AVR uninstalled and reinstalled musiccast, and reconnected musiccast to AVR. Testing now. I did dig into the network settings a little and found this. Not sure if this the correct settiing...

 

[highfigh]

I think Musiccast just communicates with the AVR and not the PC. I think it acts as just the controller, since the source of the music is actually the PC hard drive.

I can not monitor what's playing on the AVR looking at JRIVER on my computer.

When the music stops on my phone it just shows the "Pause" button. The music will not start again unless I go back to the begining of the song with the "back" button, or go to the next song with the "forward" button.

I have done a soft reset of the AVR not a hard reset yet.

I would have to dig deeper into static IP solution,as I am not familiar.

This is what I found on the DFS part

"There is no direct toggle to disable Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) inside the Yamaha MusicCast app itself"

I have cleared the cache. And do have the latest firmware.

I have uninstalled the musiccast app and will reinstall and set up again. I am doing another soft reset of the AVR, plan to leave it unplugged for about 10 minutes.
This is very fustrating, I can't put finger on the issue, especially since it worked fine for years.

Look in the dropdown for the sources- the pdf is from my WXC-50 and I already mentioned using a computer to control MusicCast or an AVR. Find the IP address and save it as a favorite or bookmark (depending on the computer). The gui for an AVR is different, but the available sources DOES include Server. You'll need to set up the computer to share the files.

Usually, sharing and servers work best with static IP addressing, not DHCP.

 

[highfigh]

That's what I was thinking. I have always streamed directly to the AVR with no additional devices. It worked perfect since I bought the AVR about 6 years ago. The problem arose about a year ago and was intermittent, now it happens like every day. I think musiccast is just an app, not on computer. PC is on the second floor anyway, system is on the first floor, I need the phone as the controller.

Again, find the AVR's IP address and save it- you'll be able to open it in a different window when you use the computer for other tasks and control the AVR. If you save a separate window just for setup, enter the IP addres with /setup at the end.

 

[little wing]

Look in the dropdown for the sources- the pdf is from my WXC-50 and I already mentioned using a computer to control MusicCast or an AVR. Find the IP address and save it as a favorite or bookmark (depending on the computer). The gui for an AVR is different, but the available sources DOES include Server. You'll need to set up the computer to share the files.

Usually, sharing and servers work best with static IP addressing, not DHCP.

I got it. Thanks I appreciate it.

 

[little wing]

Again, find the AVR's IP address and save it- you'll be able to open it in a different window when you use the computer for other tasks and control the AVR. If you save a separate window just for setup, enter the IP addres with /setup at the end.

After the AVR reset and the uninstall of musiccast and reinstall. Music server played fine yesterday without any stopping. Knock on wood, fingers crossed. But I 'm going to keep your solutions in my back pocket next time this happens. I found the IP address of the AVR too, thanks!

 

[highfigh]

After the AVR reset and the uninstall of musiccast and reinstall. Music server played fine yesterday without any stopping. Knock on wood, fingers crossed. But I 'm going to keep your solutions in my back pocket next time this happens. I found the IP address of the AVR too, thanks!

The easiest way I have found to see the IP address for a device on a Windows based computer (up to Win11, which I don't use) is to click on the Windows icon (up to and including Win7) or go to the list in Win10 and click on 'Computer', then look for the device you want to find. I call my MusicCast 'Living Room', so if I left click on it, that opens to the normal screen but right click results in a list that includes 'Properties'- that's where the IP address will show. I sometimes need to find that because my router changes the IP Address occasionally- I need to set the YAmaha to static, but will have to refer to the manual because, for some reason, all of the details are correct, but it won't let me finish. That would prevent me needing to change the IP address when I choose that in my bookmark bar.

You should be able to find the IP address for your AVR in the same way- the gui on a computer is great for setup, use and troubleshooting. The images for a Denon AVR here only show the buttons, not the actual appearance of the gui- the backgroaund is black.

I'll post what I find.

 

[jinjuku]

You should take a laptop to where you are streaming and get an idea of the signal strength and do some long term testing. Just start out with a continuous ping:

run the command prompt (CMD) and ping ipaddressofyourserverhere -t and just let it go for however long your music typically plays before interruption.

Then ctrl + c to quit out and report back you ping stats (very last line).

For signal strength open up File Explorer:

Left click on properties

Left click:

Right click the wi-fi adapter and then left click "Status":

 

[little wing]

You should take a laptop to where you are streaming and get an idea of the signal strength and do some long term testing. Just start out with a continuous ping:

run the command prompt (CMD) and ping ipaddressofyourserverhere -t and just let it go for however long your music typically plays before interruption.

Then ctrl + c to quit out and report back you ping stats (very last line).

For signal strength open up File Explorer:

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Left click on properties

Left click:
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Right click the wi-fi adapter and then left click "Status":
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Thank you for this detailed info. Here is a pic of the wifi status on my desktop. I have not done the Command prompt yet. But a quick speed test on the desktop shows 320mbps down and 90mbps up. I tested a laptop in the same place where the PC is, and speeds were a little bit slower. Speed varies depending on time of day. I have 1GB plan with Cox

 

[little wing]

The easiest way I have found to see the IP address for a device on a Windows based computer (up to Win11, which I don't use) is to click on the Windows icon (up to and including Win7) or go to the list in Win10 and click on 'Computer', then look for the device you want to find. I call my MusicCast 'Living Room', so if I left click on it, that opens to the normal screen but right click results in a list that includes 'Properties'- that's where the IP address will show. I sometimes need to find that because my router changes the IP Address occasionally- I need to set the YAmaha to static, but will have to refer to the manual because, for some reason, all of the details are correct, but it won't let me finish. That would prevent me needing to change the IP address when I choose that in my bookmark bar.

You should be able to find the IP address for your AVR in the same way- the gui on a computer is great for setup, use and troubleshooting. The images for a Denon AVR here only show the buttons, not the actual appearance of the gui- the backgroaund is black.

I'll post what I find.

Thank you! I was able to find the IP address for the Yamaha 3060 and get to the settings via web browser. Since this is an older AVR it doesn't have the same level of functionality of the newer stuff. Since I did the reset and installed musiccast again, it's been good. No issues yesterday. I'm about sit down with some Coltrane right now and see how it goes. Fingers crossed..

 

[little wing]

You should take a laptop to where you are streaming and get an idea of the signal strength and do some long term testing. Just start out with a continuous ping:

run the command prompt (CMD) and ping ipaddressofyourserverhere -t and just let it go for however long your music typically plays before interruption.

Then ctrl + c to quit out and report back you ping stats (very last line).

For signal strength open up File Explorer:

View attachment 79329

Left click on properties

Left click:
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Right click the wi-fi adapter and then left click "Status":
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View attachment 79332

I went back and re-read this post. I can't thank you enough for the screenshots and detailed explanation you put together. I have to admit, CMD prompts and the like are next level for me. Kind of like REW. But I am going to try and follow this if I run into further issues. My tech savvy level is on the low end for sure. When I first discovered this tecnology, I guess about 10 years or so ago, I first used foobar to get music to an Oppo 105, and though it is was fantastic. Now, streaming directly to AVR has been great! Until this recent issue. But yesterday's music listening session went fine. And all seems well this morning. I'll follow-up with any changes.

 

[little wing]

Just curoius if anyone has any opinion or experience with using a Mesh system? One reason is, we have older roku device in the bedroom that the wife says it spins and takes a while to load when loading apps like Netflix. When I do a speed test on a laptop where the Roku is, I get 125mbps down, so I'm confused as to the roku performance.

 

[panteragstk]

Just curoius if anyone has any opinion or experience with using a Mesh system? One reason is, we have older roku device in the bedroom that the wife says it spins and takes a while to load when loading apps like Netflix. When I do a speed test on a laptop where the Roku is, I get 125mbps down, so I'm confused as to the roku performance.

Doesn't the Roku have a speed test as well? If not, I know some of the video apps do.

Mesh wi-fi can be great depending on the manufacturer, but it all depends on what wi-fi standard devices support.

As an example, I have wi-fi 6e APs in my house. Almost none of my devices support that standard. Sure, the APs are all backward compatible, but none of my devices have video lag issues.

I'd do the basics on the Roku such as an actual reboot or just unplug and plug in again to make sure a proper reboot is done. I have to do this with my low end Google TV devices used for my kid's rooms every once in a while. They are not great devices.

 

[little wing]

Doesn't the Roku have a speed test as well? If not, I know some of the video apps do.

Mesh wi-fi can be great depending on the manufacturer, but it all depends on what wi-fi standard devices support.

As an example, I have wi-fi 6e APs in my house. Almost none of my devices support that standard. Sure, the APs are all backward compatible, but none of my devices have video lag issues.

I'd do the basics on the Roku such as an actual reboot or just unplug and plug in again to make sure a proper reboot is done. I have to do this with my low end Google TV devices used for my kid's rooms every once in a while. They are not great devices.

I forgot about the roku speed test, thanks. It said excellent signal strength. It shows 150 mbps. Funny thing is i,t was not connectd when I first went into Roku.

 

[TLS Guy]

Just curoius if anyone has any opinion or experience with using a Mesh system? One reason is, we have older roku device in the bedroom that the wife says it spins and takes a while to load when loading apps like Netflix. When I do a speed test on a laptop where the Roku is, I get 125mbps down, so I'm confused as to the roku performance.

I was an early adopter of the Mesh system and used it at our last home and this one. I have a transmitter on each floor and they are connected by Cat 6 cable. Testing shows very even coverage throughout the home. Only mobile devices use Wi-Fi everything else is hard wired.

My view, and I stand to be corrected, but good ethernet architecture in the home pays dividends and prevents hassles. As in everything good design and careful exacting execution saves hassles.

 

[little wing]

I was an early adopter of the Mesh system and used it at our last home and this one. I have a transmitter on each floor and they are connected by Cat 6 cable. Testing shows very even coverage throughout the home. Only mobile devices use Wi-Fi everything else is hard wired.

My view, and I stand to be corrected, but good ethernet architecture in the home pays dividends and prevents hassles. As in everything good design and careful exacting execution saves hassles.

Thank you for this. I bought the house after it was built, if I had a hand in the build, I would have stressed Cat 6 hard wire for every room. I am going to look into a Mesh system. Again, thank you.