Part of the US constitution is useless, a sad joke, and needs changing

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The part that states that its everyone rights to bare arms against a tyrannical government. Well guess what? You have a tyrannical government in power who are deporting US citizens based on their ethnicity. Who is baring arms against your government? He's slowly stripping the individual rights and freedoms from you and yet, all you gun crazies refuse to do anything about it. So you see, its a complete farce to have that in your constitution. Get rid of it and get rid of that poison that is the NRA.

 

[lovinthehd]

I don't wear sleeveless shirts even if it says its okay. Now bearing arms....that's different. (sorry, couldn't resist).

Either way the interpretation that keeps the 2nd amendment going as it is is a farce for sure! The gun crazies generally are big fans of the drumph, tho.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I get that you’re frustrated, but calling for people to take up arms isn’t a constructive or safe path, and it’s important to separate strong political disagreement from endorsing violence; in democratic systems, change is meant to happen through voting, courts, advocacy, and public discourse, even when it feels slow or imperfect, and organizations or constitutional rights—like anything else—are debated and shaped over time through those channels, not force; discussions around rights and policies benefit more from evidence, dialogue, and civic engagement than escalation, otherwise things can spiral out of control like worn bearings in a machine, where friction builds and causes more damage than progress.

Is this para one sentence?

 

[mtrycrafts]

It is when some courts want to go back to JC for interpretation.

 

[lovinthehd]

The constitution is in tatters now and the replacement is crap.

 

[highfigh]

I don't wear sleeveless shirts even if it says its okay. Now bearing arms....that's different. (sorry, couldn't resist).

Either way the interpretation that keeps the 2nd amendment going as it is is a farce for sure! The gun crazies generally are big fans of the drumph, tho.

Old thread, but what about the Democrats or non-MAGAites who own guns and are enthusiasts? Lots of hunters and collectors are Democrats.

You forgot about arming Bears......

The gun crazies can KMA but the fact is, legal gun owners aren't going around killing people in large numbers every single day. Look at crime stats- illegal possession is the biggest component of the problem. Why can't/don't you accept that?

 

[lovinthehd]

Old thread, but what about the Democrats or non-MAGAites who own guns and are enthusiasts? Lots of hunters and collectors are Democrats.

You forgot about arming Bears......

The gun crazies can KMA but the fact is, legal gun owners aren't going around killing people in large numbers every single day. Look at crime stats- illegal possession is the biggest component of the problem. Why can't/don't you accept that?

As long as all guns are sold in a strict manner, registered, people are trained and certified on them, it's at least a good start. I don't advocate taking cars and bikes from people who have properly been licensed and vehicles registered, etc. Neither would rely on what political party you identify with.

 

[highfigh]

As long as all guns are sold in a strict manner, registered, people are trained and certified on them, it's at least a good start. I don't advocate taking cars and bikes from people who have properly been licensed and vehicles registered, etc. Neither would rely on what political party you identify with.

You know people need to apply in order to buy a gun, right? The application can't leave the store so someone else can fill it out, can't use a different person as the buyer, can't use their name and the address has to be physical, not a PO box. However, the process needs to change because it's too easy to lie about some questions. Look for Form 4473.

Training would be great, but even trained cops, who are required to train regularly, miss the target. It would help to prevent people making mistakes, but in inner cities, gunfire is a regular occurrance and it's worst on holidays. It happens in Milwaukee every GD year, all year long. Those aren't legal gun owners and if they are, they need to lose ALL guns and gun rights.

You're completely ignoring gun illegal gun use and trade. If you won't at least look into the stats on gun use, discussing this is pointless. Last evening, a street 'takeover' included gunfire- any thoughts on whether it was a legal gun owner or illegal?

MPD responds to shots fired near ‘teen takeover’ Monday night near Moody Park

‘Teen Takeover’ brings reports of shots fired and multiple fights Monday night to Moody Park in Milwaukee.

www.tmj4.com

Here's another winner-

This happened near the arena where the Milwaukee buck play- want to guess about the legality of the guy with the gun?

 

[highfigh]

I don't advocate taking cars and bikes from people who have properly been licensed and vehicles registered, etc. Neither would rely on what political party you identify with.

If someone drives recklessly and endangers others, I don't have a problem with someone losing their vehicle. Some people are just a terror on the roads and a few in Milwaukee have so many violatiolns stacked up it's ridiculous, but the official policy hasn't been strict. A lot of the reckless driving is with stolen cars, sometimes they're owned by the drivers. The city says nothing about changing peoples' behavior, they just build 'traffic calming' concrete islands and speed humps on the roads. That only makes those drivers take different routes, sometimes. Going over a traffic hump at 80-100MPH isn't uncommon and roundabouts have been driven through many times.

I have absolutely no concern about political party, especially when people act in stupid/careless/dangerous ways but if the courts won't take violent and dangerous people off of the streets, what can be done?

 

[lovinthehd]

You know people need to apply in order to buy a gun, right? The application can't leave the store so someone else can fill it out, can't use a different person as the buyer, can't use their name and the address has to be physical, not a PO box. However, the process needs to change because it's too easy to lie about some questions. Look for Form 4473.

Training would be great, but even trained cops, who are required to train regularly, miss the target. It would help to prevent people making mistakes, but in inner cities, gunfire is a regular occurrance and it's worst on holidays. It happens in Milwaukee every GD year, all year long. Those aren't legal gun owners and if they are, they need to lose ALL guns and gun rights.

You're completely ignoring gun illegal gun use and trade. If you won't at least look into the stats on gun use, discussing this is pointless. Last evening, a street 'takeover' included gunfire- any thoughts on whether it was a legal gun owner or illegal?

MPD responds to shots fired near ‘teen takeover’ Monday night near Moody Park

‘Teen Takeover’ brings reports of shots fired and multiple fights Monday night to Moody Park in Milwaukee.

www.tmj4.com

Here's another winner-

This happened near the arena where the Milwaukee buck play- want to guess about the legality of the guy with the gun?

A quick look at 4473, only applies to purchases from dealers.

Training proof should be a mandatory requirement with 4473 perhaps.

I'm not ignoring illegal gun use/trade. It of course is harder to control, but isn't the only misuse of firearms. The sheer number of weapons in private hands is hard to control. There's generally too many arms...period.

 

[lovinthehd]

If someone drives recklessly and endangers others, I don't have a problem with someone losing their vehicle. Some people are just a terror on the roads and a few in Milwaukee have so many violatiolns stacked up it's ridiculous, but the official policy hasn't been strict. A lot of the reckless driving is with stolen cars, sometimes they're owned by the drivers. The city says nothing about changing peoples' behavior, they just build 'traffic calming' concrete islands and speed humps on the roads. That only makes those drivers take different routes, sometimes. Going over a traffic hump at 80-100MPH isn't uncommon and roundabouts have been driven through many times.

I have absolutely no concern about political party, especially when people act in stupid/careless/dangerous ways but if the courts won't take violent and dangerous people off of the streets, what can be done?

Cars/drivers have been over-priveleged in many ways, as a cyclist something am quite aware of. Courts have permitted behavior in cars too lightly imho. More strict licensing/training is likely again a good start in order for ownership. Better rules about vehicle maintenance likely is, too.

Like guns, having easy and relatively unsupervised access yields problems....just because you can own something doesn't necessarily mean you should be able to do so easily....

 

[rnatalli]

As a comedian once said, we should have the right to arm bears. Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[highfigh]

A quick look at 4473, only applies to purchases from dealers.

Training proof should be a mandatory requirement with 4473 perhaps.

I'm not ignoring illegal gun use/trade. It of course is harder to control, but isn't the only misuse of firearms. The sheer number of weapons in private hands is hard to control. There's generally too many arms...period.

Right WRT 4473, but hoiw would you rack private sales between legal gun owners, aside from illegal sales? Illegal sales will always be black market- they'll NEVER do it legally because felons can't legally possess guns in most cases and as soon as they fill out one form, they're subject to arrest because they had committed the additional felony of 'felon in possession of a firearm'. Hwever, illegal possession IS the main use of firearms. Suicides are one of the largest groups of gun deaths.

I would be happy if training was a requirement- to many accidental discharges and 'he was cleaning his gun and it went off'. No, it didn't. Cleaning a gun isn't possible if i hasn't been unloaded. Mandatory training would make everyone safer, in theory, but people will still do stupid things afterward. Bad handling and one of the worst in Milwaukee is guns that were left where young children can find them. Far too many kids have been killed by brothers, sisters....we had one where the mom left a gun under the seat of her car, the 4 year old found it and killed her. People leave them on tables, between sofa cushions, etc and then someone ends up dead because an argument began and apparently, no other solution could be found. It happens all the damn time. They need to associate with different people, or THEY'RE the problem.

I do have a big problem with the gung ho idiots who seem to want to relive their childhood of acting tough and playing army/cowboy, or whatever. I have posted about someone I worked with and his cousins- one cousin had a temper like a rocket and I would never want to be near him of guns were out. The guy I worked with wore one of those huge belt buckles with 'The right to bear arms', but try to get those morons to recite the whole Amendment? Not a freaking chance and the fact that his brother is a lawyer never made him curious enough to discuss any of this with someone who should understand it.

I'm really tired of random gunfire, too. I think I'll record audio the night of our next federal holiday and post it- Memorial Day, July 4 and Labor Day are the worst. It sounds like a freaking war zone and I'm not even in Milwaukee, but I live close enough for it to be really annoying and potentially dangerous.

 

[highfigh]

Cars/drivers have been over-priveleged in many ways, as a cyclist something am quite aware of. Courts have permitted behavior in cars too lightly imho. More strict licensing/training is likely again a good start in order for ownership. Better rules about vehicle maintenance likely is, too.

Like guns, having easy and relatively unsupervised access yields problems....just because you can own something doesn't necessarily mean you should be able to do so easily....

Absolutely! I avoid riding my bike on roads as much as possible. It's not just bad drivers, it's drivers making stupid decisions who are dangerous. Then, the courts and some cops do almost nothing to keep bad drivers off the streets.

A lot of people can't afford to maintain their vehicles and since they're much more complex, they choose to limp around and waste fuel, endanger others because they barely stop and then, they drive recklessly. I'll take bike paths whenever possible.

Personally, I think remedial driver's ed should start at 25 and using a cell phone should cause the engine to slow to idle. Too many of all ages driving and yakking on the phone,

 

[lovinthehd]

Absolutely! I avoid riding my bike on roads as much as possible. It's not just bad drivers, it's drivers making stupid decisions who are dangerous. Then, the courts and some cops do almost nothing to keep bad drivers off the streets.

A lot of people can't afford to maintain their vehicles and since they're much more complex, they choose to limp around and waste fuel, endanger others because they barely stop and then, they drive recklessly. I'll take bike paths whenever possible.

Personally, I think remedial driver's ed should start at 25 and using a cell phone should cause the engine to slow to idle. Too many of all ages driving and yakking on the phone,

More in my mind the infrastructure leaning towards cars. Many people shouldn't have cars. If we had Singapore type rules, it would be an amazing transformation!

 

[highfigh]

More in my mind the infrastructure leaning towards cars. Many people shouldn't have cars. If we had Singapore type rules, it would be an amazing transformation!

Should or shouldn't is clearly a problem but the DMV could never be used to select who is actually qualified to drive and that moratorium on driver's road tests during COVID didn't help. I don't know who's teaching people to drive, but the drivers I see must have forgotten every single bit of info about safety. I also think that whole "I need a huge, heavy vehicle that uses a ridiculous amount of fuel so my family will be safer" is BS- they usually don't learn to control it and it's very different from driving a small car.

I checked the driving rules and penalties in Singapore- I think a lot of American drivers would change their ways if caning were practiced here (actually listed as a penalty for serious offenses).

How could the US possibly operate if roads weren't prioritized toward motor vehicles? Easy to do in a country with such small land area.

The reality in the US- not enough people ride bikes to make a vast system of separate paths and roads viable but that would also require taking private property for public use. It's as if people reached a certain age and decided "Grown-ups don't ride bikes". If it could happen, using the property boundaries would intrude least, but straight lines wouldn't be likely. We would certainly have a healthier population and probably, happier.

 

[lovinthehd]

Should or shouldn't is clearly a problem but the DMV could never be used to select who is actually qualified to drive and that moratorium on driver's road tests during COVID didn't help. I don't know who's teaching people to drive, but the drivers I see must have forgotten every single bit of info about safety. I also think that whole "I need a huge, heavy vehicle that uses a ridiculous amount of fuel so my family will be safer" is BS- they usually don't learn to control it and it's very different from driving a small car.

I checked the driving rules and penalties in Singapore- I think a lot of American drivers would change their ways if caning were practiced here (actually listed as a penalty for serious offenses).

How could the US possibly operate if roads weren't prioritized toward motor vehicles? Easy to do in a country with such small land area.

The reality in the US- not enough people ride bikes to make a vast system of separate paths and roads viable but that would also require taking private property for public use. It's as if people reached a certain age and decided "Grown-ups don't ride bikes". If it could happen, using the property boundaries would intrude least, but straight lines wouldn't be likely. We would certainly have a healthier population and probably, happier.

It's also the expense and maintenance of a vehicle in Singapore that helps keep numbers down. You pay a fairly large tax just to get a certificate to enable you to own one, and you better keep it in very good condition (including body work). Believe you only get to keep it 10 years, too, but it's been a while since I've been there. It's more fantasy on my part than anything....it wouldn't happen in the US.

Bikes are one thing, but our trains/public transit are generally on the poor side. Big oil and rubber and the car companies saw to that to a great extent....

 

[highfigh]

It's also the expense and maintenance of a vehicle in Singapore that helps keep numbers down. You pay a fairly large tax just to get a certificate to enable you to own one, and you better keep it in very good condition (including body work). Believe you only get to keep it 10 years, too, but it's been a while since I've been there. It's more fantasy on my part than anything....it wouldn't happen in the US.

Bikes are one thing, but our trains/public transit are generally on the poor side. Big oil and rubber and the car companies saw to that to a great extent....

WRT condition- Americans see EVERYTHING as 'disposable' and I have a very hard time with that kind of thinking. It's just part of the irresponsibility of too many people. OK, parts can be salvaged, but not maintaining isn't a smart option. I have seen cars & trucks with a black smudge from exhaust near the tailpipe and they can't possibly be saving enough by avoiding a few parts to make the inefficiency pay off.

Public over the road transport over large distances was great before flight and then, people lost interest because it takes too long to reach the destination, but it's a good way to see the country.

Yeah, the car companies- same pinheads that refused offers that would have increased efficiency and quality when it was offered when Japan was already starting to kick their asses. That's a good example of 'American exceptionalism', but it made them 'special' in bad ways.

 

[lovinthehd]

WRT condition- Americans see EVERYTHING as 'disposable' and I have a very hard time with that kind of thinking. It's just part of the irresponsibility of too many people. OK, parts can be salvaged, but not maintaining isn't a smart option. I have seen cars & trucks with a black smudge from exhaust near the tailpipe and they can't possibly be saving enough by avoiding a few parts to make the inefficiency pay off.

Public over the road transport over large distances was great before flight and then, people lost interest because it takes too long to reach the destination, but it's a good way to see the country.

Yeah, the car companies- same pinheads that refused offers that would have increased efficiency and quality when it was offered when Japan was already starting to kick their asses. That's a good example of 'American exceptionalism', but it made them 'special' in bad ways.

We've been conditioned to accept the stupidity of cheaper to dispose than build for the long term....

 

[GO-NAD!]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/gun-smuggler-plea-deal-9.7159464

Toronto police told CBC News via email that among the crime guns seized in the city last year and traced to date, 86 per cent came from the U.S.

I realize that it's like talking to the wall, but once again, easy access to guns in the US is leading to more crime in Canada.