Need help selecting a new AVR

[TLS Guy]

While there is a lot of cheap crap coming out of China, they are also very capable of producing high quality highly technical equipment. I watched some videos years ago on manufacturing companies that use CNC machines and welders and have in-house design and engineering staff. You can come in with an idea and they will do everything from the engineering and prototyping to full on production, and in an amazingly small amount of time.

Jay Iyagi recently released a video on audio equipment production in China. It's not highly technical but you can see that these are modern, well equipped companies using the latest technologies in electronics manufacturing.

The issue at this time is: - What are they stuffing those boards with, and how thoroughly are they monitoring their supply chains? That is the question of the hour at this time.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Avoid the junk coming out of Vietnam. I have had two in row units made in Vietnam fail prematurely. One in 3 months with warranty repair appalling.

Sound United have been driven into the ground by Masimo. Places like Vietnam are awash in counterfeit capacitors especially.

As proof, I'd like to see pictures of those boards with the inferior components you speak of with close up shots of the caps.

 

[TLS Guy]

As proof, I'd like to see pictures of those boards with the inferior components you speak of with close up shots of the caps.

That would not help, as these components are deep fakes and look identical to the genuine article.

 

[lovinthehd]

That would not help, as these components are deep fakes and look identical to the genuine article.

Sounds like a republican conspiracy. So what are your facts as to what components are "deep fakes"?

 

[TLS Guy]

Sounds like a republican conspiracy. So what are your facts as to what components are "deep fakes"?

There are numerous reports of this. There was a surge some years ago and now the problem is resurfacing.

Just take a look at this YouTube page.

 

[lovinthehd]

There are numerous reports of this. There was a surge some years ago and now the problem is resurfacing.

Just take a look at this YouTube page.

That's all you have?

 

[TLS Guy]

That's all you have?

Look this problem is documented all over the NET.

There is boat loads of evidence about the problem. It is bad and widespread.

 

[Trebdp83]

You will not be happy until you’ve hijacked every thread in the forum, will you?

 

[lovinthehd]

Look this problem is documented all over the NET.

There is boat loads of evidence about the problem. It is bad and widespread.

Let's see some documentation rather than a bunch of miscellaneous youtube videos....

 

[TLS Guy]

Let's see some documentation rather than a bunch of miscellaneous youtube videos....

I just posted a link to a bunch of articles, open it up.

The CEO of Harmon listed one of his top priorities for Sound United was to get a handle on the quality of their supply chains.

I had two premature failures in a row, and I don't believe that was coincidence.

I still have not got my 7706 back, but I have been told they have sent it on to a different service center in Kansas. That was the one where i spoke to avery nice service tech about repair of my 7705. He told me they were having an excess of board failures and were out of a lot of spare parts. He thought the issue was suspect components.

Anyhow he advised recycling of my only five year old 7705. I did, which I regard as a disgrace and major black mark against Sound United.

The OP is asking for advice about a new AVR. My advice is to avoid anything made in Vietnam like the plague.

Now Trump has imposed a 100% tariff on China again. So that puts Chinese products right out of consideration.

At the current time I advise purchase of units made only in Japan, Europe or US.

It was liberal policies that made US manufacture uneconomic and now we are paying a huge price.

Fortunately almost all the equipment I own says, made in England, Switzerland, Japan and USA. Practically none comes from anywhere else, and I have lot of gear from the seventies and even sixties working just fine. And that is the way it should be. The short life of gear these last years is a massive disgrace, and contributing to low sales of systems and forcing of disposable soundbars. Also we have a proliferation of the wrong equipment, with multi channel equipment proliferating when most rooms are unsuitable for it. We need good two channel gear and that should be cheaper and more reasonably priced than thrown together multichannel gear of highly suspect provenance. Things are really of the rails at present, and yes, way off.

 

[lovinthehd]

I just posted a link to a bunch of articles, open it up.

The CEO of Harmon listed one of his top priorities for Sound United was to get a handle on the quality of their supply chains.

I had two premature failures in a row, and I don't believe that was coincidence.

I still have not got my 7706 back, but I have been told they have sent it on to a different service center in Kansas. That was the one where i spoke to avery nice service tech about repair of my 7705. He told me they were having an excess of board failures and were out of a lot of spare parts. He thought the issue was suspect components.

Anyhow he advised recycling of my only five year old 7705. I did, which I regard as a disgrace and major black mark against Sound United.

The OP is asking for advice about a new AVR. My advice is to avoid anything made in Vietnam like the plague.

Now Trump has imposed a 100% tariff on China again. So that puts Chinese products right out of consideration.

At the current time I advise purchase of units made only in Japan, Europe or US.

It was liberal policies that made US manufacture uneconomic and now we are paying a huge price.

Fortunately almost all the equipment I own says, made in England, Switzerland, Japan and USA. Practically none comes from anywhere else, and I have lot of gear from the seventies and even sixties working just fine. And that is the way it should be. The short life of gear these last years is a massive disgrace, and contributing to low sales of systems and forcing of disposable soundbars. Also we have a proliferation of the wrong equipment, with multi channel equipment proliferating when most rooms are unsuitable for it. We need good two channel gear and that should be cheaper and more reasonably priced than thrown together multichannel gear of highly suspect provenance. Things are really of the rails at present, and yes, way off.

LOL liberal policies, eh? That's funny.

So there's an article about the Harman CEO specifying what that means as far as supply chain goes?

Your situation and your backwards deductions, meh.

ps The link to that article isn't a lot to go on for specifics.

 

[TLS Guy]

LOL liberal policies, eh? That's funny.

So there's an article about the Harman CEO specifying what that means as far as supply chain goes?

Your situation and your backwards deductions, meh.

ps The link to that article isn't a lot to go on for specifics.

That is because its criminal and takes police work. We are dealing with countries where the writ of law does not run.

And yes, liberal policies over the years have impoverished the Western nations, due to absurd fiscal policies.

 

[Trebdp83]

Please, go play with your AV10 and shut the f#%k up.