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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
Is it best to start looking for a new computer right when the updates stop? Obvious question probably lol.
 
Happy Joe

Happy Joe

Audioholic
I usually try to preview/beta new M.S. Operating systems then decide if its worth a hardware upgrade... and, probable, additional monitoring by M$
then..
...consider going/staying with Linux...

Enjoy!
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
I'm a Dell person so it seems easiest to get a new one. As long as it's SSD. My needs are very low. Last time I spent $500 and got this one to last about five years. I was advised last time a TB, but I think 16 GB and 512 SSD is plenty. Not sure I even need that much but if the price is ok just get it.
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
Microsoft told my ex-wife that she could keep using Windows 10 after end of support next month.

IMO Windows Defender and an additional antivirus/malware software should help protect her computer, taking into account that she only uses the web infrequently.
 
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dolynick

Full Audioholic
Microsoft told my ex-wife that she could keep using Windows 10 after end of support next month.
They are allowing people to get an additional year of free Windows 10 supported upgrades only if you use a Microsoft account (cloud account) and agree to upload all your user data and settings to the cloud service. If you're already doing so, I suppose it's a good thing. I personally consider it a non-starter.

As for the OP's question, I suppose it's a question of what you do with your PC. I generally would not recommend using any operation system long term if it is no longer actively getting bug fixes and security updates. It means that any vulnerabilities discovered in the OS will simply remain open for exploit. That being said, it wouldn't matter so much on a PC that is not exposed to external networks (IE, the Internet). Given that you're here asking on an internet forum, it suggests that your PC is exposed to at least some external networks.

The good news is that, if your PC was setup with a native Windows 10 license (IE, not upgraded from 7 to 10), then the license is eligible for a free upgrade to Windows 11 - assuming the hardware meets the requirements. Most systems from Intel 8000 series and up shouldn't have any problems being compatible.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
They are allowing people to get an additional year of free Windows 10 supported upgrades only if you use a Microsoft account (cloud account) and agree to upload all your user data and settings to the cloud service. If you're already doing so, I suppose it's a good thing. I personally consider it a non-starter.

As for the OP's question, I suppose it's a question of what you do with your PC. I generally would not recommend using any operation system long term if it is no longer actively getting bug fixes and security updates. It means that any vulnerabilities discovered in the OS will simply remain open for exploit. That being said, it wouldn't matter so much on a PC that is not exposed to external networks (IE, the Internet). Given that you're here asking on an internet forum, it suggests that your PC is exposed to at least some external networks.

The good news is that, if your PC was setup with a native Windows 10 license (IE, not upgraded from 7 to 10), then the license is eligible for a free upgrade to Windows 11 - assuming the hardware meets the requirements. Most systems from Intel 8000 series and up shouldn't have any problems being compatible.
I'll just get a new one. Plus mine doesn't boot up well anymore. I have to keep it on sleep.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
I still have a Windows 7 machine that does just fine. No issues w/o security patching.
 
Speedskater

Speedskater

Audioholic General
Both my 'hp' and Dell Windows 10 computers are registered for Security updated thru October 2026.
I don't have a 'cloud' account, I did not agree to anything.
Do a manual update scan. MS registered the 'hp' a couple of weeks ago and the Dell today.
 
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dolynick

Full Audioholic
Both my 'hp' and Dell Windows 10 computers are registered for Security updated thru October 2026.
I don't have a 'cloud' account, I did not agree to anything.
Do a manual update scan. MS registered the 'hp' a couple of weeks ago and the Dell today.

Regarding the ESU, which you must be enrolled in:

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So if you're getting it for free, you must be backing up your data to their cloud service already. Otherwise you "paid" for it through the other means.

None of this means that Windows 10 is just going to stop working come mid October. Just that it will likely become increasingly more vulnerable to attack over time without ongoing updates. The same is true of jinjuku's Windows 7 PC. Still functional but also almost surely at higher risk of breach if targeted or attacked.
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan

None of this means that Windows 10 is just going to stop working come mid October. Just that it will likely become increasingly more vulnerable to attack over time without ongoing updates. The same is true of jinjuku's Windows 7 PC. Still functional but also almost surely at higher risk of breach if targeted or attacked.
Wouldn't hackers rather attack people with the new Windows 11 than older operating systems? This is what I think.
 
Speedskater

Speedskater

Audioholic General
Neither computer is backing up to OneDrive or the cloud.
Neither computer is enrolled in Microsoft Rewards.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
Wife's computer (Lap top) needs replacing. Currently using Windows, myself Apple. To the computer savvy here, convert her or leave her be on a windows based machine. Both of us are not the most computer competent ! :rolleyes:
 
Teetertotter?

Teetertotter?

Audioholic Chief
Microsoft told my ex-wife that she could keep using Windows 10 after end of support next month.

IMO Windows Defender and an additional antivirus/malware software should help protect her computer, taking into account that she only uses the web infrequently.
That is what I am doing with 2 older laptops, with WIN 10. Not to worry. I also have 2 newer laptops. The older ones are in the basement and use time to time for normal email, and surfing the internet, etc.

If buying new, DELL or HP, factory direct.
 
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dolynick

Full Audioholic
Wouldn't hackers rather attack people with the new Windows 11 than older operating systems? This is what I think.
Malicious actors will go after whatever is easiest or gives them the best payout. Windows 11 only just recently started overtaking Windows 10 as the dominant user workstation. It will continue to swing most likely as 10 goes EoL but if there are a bunch of Windows 10 workstations floating around out there with open, known security flaws that aren't being patched with updates, you can rest assured that they'll be more than willing to exploit that if they have the opportunity.

Attacks aren't even always obvious anymore. Sometimes all the want to do is sneak a little software onto the system so they can get in easier later, monitor, or as often is the case, give commands as the workstation as part of a botnet for use in a larger attack elsewhere. There have been stats out in the past that workstations out of support or which did not have the latest security updates often did form a large portion of PCs in various botnets.

Again though, it's up to the user to weight his risk from exposure. You're never 100% safe even if you are fully up to date. It is usually best practice to have active support though.

FYI, I won't claim to know it all or be an absolute authority on PC security, but I have been working in the IT/support field for 25+ years now. I'm not a huge fan of Windows 11 over 10, but there are sound reasons to move up rather than being unsupported.
 
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dolynick

Full Audioholic
Wife's computer (Lap top) needs replacing. Currently using Windows, myself Apple. To the computer savvy here, convert her or leave her be on a windows based machine. Both of us are not the most computer competent ! :rolleyes:
I'd say that's really user preference. I haven't done much with Macs myself, being primarily Windows focused. Macs are probably more of a "managed" experience where as Windows is probably a little more hands-on or user configurable out of the box. Apple has traditionally been a little safer too, but part of that is the smaller market share means they were just targeted less. Fewer sticks poking means fewer holes found or made.

In the end, I'd say the answer is up to preference and what you use it for. Windows has far broader software support, but some software might be more at home on a Mac (or at least that's the claim when it comes certain apps). I would also say that there's likely to be a bit of an acclimatization issue if she switches. They go about things differently and, speaking for myself, I find my brief forays onto Mac workstations when I have to look at them kind of frustrating. I haven't tried to live with one long-term though.
 
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