On Trump

[lovinthehd]

After reading your posts, I have to conclude you are not a good fit for this forum.

We are a pretty tolerant bunch. However your posts especially referencing "treason" and what it entails have the very unpleasant odor of fascism. At this moment I believe our country is at an inflection point. Now let me be clear, I still consider myself a Republican and I'm a Minnesota CD2 delegate. I did not vote for Trump in the last two elections. I speak against him at every opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind that this convicted felon has strong fascist tendencies and I fear so do you and many of his supporters. His actions using ICE across the country and especially in California have strong echoes of the Gestapo under the third Reich.

Don't get me wrong, we can not have an open border and uncontrolled Immigration. However, American citizens of Hispanic origin have been rounded up and detained without legal representation for several days. Military forces have been deployed without justification. These actions are unacceptable. The tariff policies have been chaotic and very largely harmful.

Your references to treason for expressing perfectly reasonable points of view are very disturbing in the extreme.

When we get back to audio, your theories and practice seem well wide of the mark. The photograph of your system you posted are fanckly in the "laugh out loud" category. In addition it is clear to me you have serious misunderstandings concerning phase issues.

So, in terms of politics I think you need to move far away from what seems to me your fascination with fascism. If not as long term member I will need to petition for you to be permanently banned. At the current time your participation has been overwhelmingly disruptive and I for one have had enough.

While I appreciate the more recent amendments to your policies, supporting them generally in the past still brings us to this moment. Glad you finally found this fake for what he is, but.......

 

[hole46]

Keep trying.

Are you sure you aren’t Donald trump, your comments make as much sense?


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[Dude#1279435]

Care to buy any Trump art? Seems to me you look on your walls and shelves and put up a few pieces of your art collection for auction to a charity vs oh I dunno drawing some garbage.

 

[Trell]

After reading your posts, I have to conclude you are not a good fit for this forum.

We are a pretty tolerant bunch. However your posts especially referencing "treason" and what it entails have the very unpleasant odor of fascism. At this moment I believe our country is at an inflection point. Now let me be clear, I still consider myself a Republican and I'm a Minnesota CD2 delegate. I did not vote for Trump in the last two elections. I speak against him at every opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind that this convicted felon has strong fascist tendencies and I fear so do you and many of his supporters. His actions using ICE across the country and especially in California have strong echoes of the Gestapo under the third Reich.

Don't get me wrong, we can not have an open border and uncontrolled Immigration. However, American citizens of Hispanic origin have been rounded up and detained without legal representation for several days. Military forces have been deployed without justification. These actions are unacceptable. The tariff policies have been chaotic and very largely harmful.

Your references to treason for expressing perfectly reasonable points of view are very disturbing in the extreme.

When we get back to audio, your theories and practice seem well wide of the mark. The photograph of your system you posted are fanckly in the "laugh out loud" category. In addition it is clear to me you have serious misunderstandings concerning phase issues.

So, in terms of politics I think you need to move far away from what seems to me your fascination with fascism. If not as long term member I will need to petition for you to be permanently banned. At the current time your participation has been overwhelmingly disruptive and I for one have had enough.

He also repeatedly talks about "there is no place in America for parasites" while lauding any and all ICE/Trump actions. You know as well as I do that Hitler talked about Jews that way, and so talks other groups before attempting to implement a "final solution".

No one here is talking about open borders or uncontrolled immigration, though, but that laws and due process should be followed along with transparency on what is done.

 

[Trell]

Current ICE actions are lawful and transparent. They are doing their jobs - what they were hired to do. Your comments mean nothing in America. You are not an American citizen. State where you live so I can criticize you and your country. Who knows. Maybe people will want to immigrate to your country. I can think of 30 million to send to you.

Where I live Neo-Nazis talk like you do. Another thing you share with them is that they hate free speech for anyone but themselves.

 

[Trell]

Everyone here loved free speech till I showed up and spoke freely and truthfully - LOLOLLOL!

Obama and his whole team committed Treason with a capital T. Fascism, Nazism, and pedophilia are hallmarks of the Democrats - When you care to send the very worst.

More Steam boys and girls!

As usual you make a stream-of-consciousness of easily debunked claims and as you have a very low intellectual capacity you're unable to even understand the debunking, so you just repeat the claims. You've no ability to any kind of critical thinking so your "criticism" is just moronic.

 

[highfigh]

>>> President Donald Trump was examined for swelling in his legs and has been diagnosed with chronic venous insufficiency, the White House announced Thursday. . . . The examination came after Trump had “noted mild swelling in his lower legs” over recent weeks, Leavitt said.<<<

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/17/politics/trump-leg-swelling-chronic-venous-insufficiency

This doesn't look "mild" to me, but of course I'm not a doctor:

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Trump’s swollen ankles caused by chronic vein condition, White House reveals

Recent pictures of US president’s enlarged legs prompted speculation surrounding his health

www.telegraph.co.uk

If he really eats fast food and drinks as much Diet Coke as they say, I'm going to bet his diet is killing him. Might be a reason for a lof of the crap that spills out of his burger hole, too.

 

[highfigh]

What is the excuse for letting a dementia patient - Biden - be President of the United States of America? Every thinking person knew Biden was mentally compromised, before he became President. My Democrat neighbors knew Biden was compromised and controllable. They didn't care.

Personally, I stay away from all soda pop - canned, bottled, or the stuff 'that squirts out of a machine'. Water works for me. Burgers work for me too; but not from fast food joints - I like grass fed or Black Angus beef.

Perhaps we should do the soda test on our neighbors. If they are sucking soda, or eating McFood, don't listen to them.

Two Biden aids have used the 5th Amendment, so far- what does that tell you?

The fact that your friends didn't care says a lot about them.

IIRC, a comedian was talking about the ingredients in diet soda- said it showed 'See other can' at the bottom of the list because it's so long.

I drink coffee at the beginning of the day, water after and rarely eat fast food- if I do, it's a sub sandwich that is known to be healthy (NOT Subway, regardless of their ads) occasionally Culver's or a local place. I NEVER eat McDonalds or the other big FF places, although I would go to Wendy's before COVID, for their Spicy Chicken sandwich or Spicy Chicken Go Wrap.

 

[Trell]

Two Biden aids have used the 5th Amendment, so far- what does that tell you?

Smart people acting on the advice from their lawyers, which is very important when dealing with MAGA people.

The fact that your friends didn't care says a lot about them.

They're not his friends but his "Democrat neighbors". No decent person will be friends with him, going what he writes here.

 

[TLS Guy]

I think that G.K. Chesterton's remarks in Orthodoxy, as apropo in reference to this lunatic.

"

If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humor or by charity, or by the dumb certainties of experience. He is the more logical for losing sane affections. Indeed, the common phrase for insanity is in this respect a misleading one. The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason.

The madman’s explanation of a thing is always complete, and often in a purely rational sense, satisfactory. Or, to speak more strictly, the insane explanation, if not conclusive, is at least unanswerable; this may be observed specially in the two or three commonest kinds of madness.

If a man says (for instance) that men have a conspiracy against him, you cannot dispute it except by saying that all the men deny that they are conspirators; which is exactly what conspirators would do. His explanation covers the facts as much as yours. Or if a man says that he is the rightful King of England, it is no complete answer to say that the existing authorities call him mad; for if he were King of England that be the wisest thing for the existing authorities to do.

…his mind moves in a perfect but narrow circle. A small circle is quite as infinite as a large circle; but, though it is quite as infinite, it is not so large…The lunatic’s theory explains a large number of things, but it does not explain them in a large way… "

 

[Trell]

More than 65% of the people in America want ICE to continue with its Lawful removal of illegals.

Do you have any credible source for this claim as it's contrary to other published polls?

>>>...
My prophecy has now come to pass. Masked ICE agents without uniforms are rampaging through American communities, arresting people arbitrarily on suspicion of being in the country illegally. And just as I predicted, this is provoking a sharp backlash in public opinion. CNN reports:

The most recent polling on this comes from Gallup, where the findings are worse than those of any poll in Trump’s second term…The nearly monthlong survey conducted in June found Americans disapproved of Trump’s handling of immigration by a wide margin: 62% to 35%. [emphasis added] And more than twice as many Americans strongly disapproved (45%) as strongly approved (21%)…It also found nearly 7 in 10 independents disapproved…These are Trump’s worst numbers on immigration yet. But the trend has clearly been downward – especially in high-quality polling like Gallup’s…An NPR-PBS News-Marist College poll conducted late last month, for instance, showed 59% of independents disapproved of Trump on immigration. And a Quinnipiac University poll showed 66% of independents disapproved.

Let’s take a look at some of the charts from that recent Gallup poll. Pro-immigration attitudes have surged among all political groups since Trump took office, but the shift among Republicans is perhaps the most notable:



Source: Gallup
And support for mass deportation is falling, while support for a path to citizenship for the undocumented is high and rising:



Source: Gallup
<<<

At least five interesting things: Bad Policy edition (#67)

ICE backlash; progressive bumbling; antisocial Americans; bad inflation data; the Roaring 20s; AI politics; China vs. America

www.noahpinion.blog

 

[Trell]

Newsweek Declares Trump ‘Most Successful President After Six Months’ Since Franklin D. Roosevelt

Newsweek Declares Trump ‘Most Successful President After Six Months’ Since Franklin D. Roosevelt | The Gateway Pundit | by Ben Kew

Newsweek magazine has said that President Trump has had the most successful first six months in office since Franklin D. Roosevelt.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Donald Trump "is most successful president after six months" since FDR

In terms of legislative achievements, Trump's second term is the most successful since Franklin D. Roosevelt, AI analysis shows.

www.newsweek.com

You do have reading comprehension issues as that is not related to your claim of "More than 65% of the people in America want ICE to continue with its Lawful removal of illegals".

 

[Trell]

I think that G.K. Chesterton's remarks in Orthodoxy, as apropo in reference to this lunatic.
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You give him too much credit: He's just an ignorant moron with low intellectual capacity.

 

[Trell]

By now, you should know that crap like yours doesn't float in America anymore. We will not tolerate it from either domestic or foreign entities.

Let your inner fascist out.

There is at least 100 million of us, and our families, who want our country back. Work with us, and you can win too.

Lets do a little math, but basic arithmetic do have a well known liberal bias.

The US population is about 342 million (*), regardless of citizenship or immigration status. There is an estimated 11 million unauthorized immigrants living in USA (**).

So, not counting unauthorized immigrants, there are 342 - 11 - 100 = 231 million people not in your group of 100 million. So "your group" amounts to about 30% of the population, a small minority.

What if the vast majority do not agree with you? You'll say that democracy is only for "your group"?

(*) https://www.census.gov/popclock/
(**) https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

Work with us, and you can win too.

Why should I work with fascists, an enemy of democracy? I'm squarely in the "liberal democracy" camp, and so is TLS Guy.

 

[TLS Guy]

I wrote '100 million of us, and our families'. 100 million is a number of voters. The 'vast majority' agree with what I wrote. There are probably over 30 million illegals in America. There is no fuzzy 'math' from you that means anything in my country.

I personally don't care if you work with America. It's your choice. What TLS Guy does is his choice.

Have you forgotten to take your Lithium lately?

 

[Trell]

I wrote '100 million of us, and our families'. 100 million is a number of voters.

It's number of voters now?

The 'vast majority' agree with what I wrote.

I assume you mean voters here, so lets try some basic arithmetic that we all know has a well known liberal bias.

The citizen voting-age population for the US Presidential election 2024 was estimated to be 236 million. (*)

So how is 100 million voters out of 236 million voters a "vast majority"? As an exercise you can try express that as a percentage.

(*) https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2025/2024-presidential-election-voting-registration-tables.html calculated from https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/voting-and-registration/p20-587.html

There are probably over 30 million illegals in America.

How did you arrive at that number? Please give a reputable source, which I doubt you can.

There is no fuzzy 'math' from you that means anything in my country.

Basic arithmetic is fuzzy "math" to you? Good grief.

 

[Trell]

"- Accountability? Risk exposure:
- Senator Mark Warner can be indicted.
- Former DOJ/NSD head Mary McCord can be indicted.
- Former NSA Susan Rice can be indicted (but only if they go through investigation of Comey discussions with her).
- Kathryn Ruemmler can be disbarred.
- Lisa Monaco can be indicted.
- Andrew Weissmann can be indicted.
- Michael Atkinson can be indicted.
- John Demers can be indicted.
- Glenn Simpson can be indicted.

There's more... but this is the low hanging fruit."

https://x.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1947239071564083691

Yet again you're unable to create an intelligent reply. One would hope the likes of you dies of old age and a new generation of young intelligent conservatives committed to democracy and having with critical thinking skills rises.

Fat chance of that, apparently.

The first clip shows some of the debate along with comments from The Bulwark, while the second is the whole debate.

Edit: Start with the original debate. It's hilarious and frightening at the same time.

>>>Tim and JVL react to Mehdi Hasan's appearance on Jubilee, where he takes on 20 far-right conservatives in a brutal, revealing debate. From open fascist admissions to jaw-dropping constitutional takes, Tim and JVL break down what this says about the next generation of conservatives.

Watch the full debate here – • 1 Progressive vs 20 Far-Right Conservative... <<<

The full debate of a highly educated debater trounces far right conservatives.

 

[Trell]

DNI Tulsi Gabbard Releases Over 230,000 Documents Related to MLK Assassination

DNI Tulsi Gabbard Releases Over 230,000 Documents Related to MLK Assassination - The Last Refuge

Tulsi Gabbard announces the release of 230,000 files related to the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Jr. Ironically, a republican administration is detailing the events of how a Democrat administration targeted one of the most beloved Democrat legacy names. “Today, after nearly 60 years of...

theconservativetreehouse.com

"Ironically, a republican administration is detailing the events of how a Democrat administration targeted one of the most beloved Democrat legacy names."

https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/1947381004228038925

You should watch this and I'm sure that you'll agree with several of them. The English used might be over your head, though.

 

[Trell]

No one is above the law

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

truthsocial.com

Except Trump, of course.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I thought this was an interesting take. It's kind of why I didn't think Trump was so much an anomaly than as to who they really are. There have been other things like Trump is an outsider and is not politiciany etc but still think it comes down OTL (owningthelibs) via being an a$$hole.

Donald Trump and the jerk vote

Does the president appeal to a certain kind of man?

theweek.com

>>>But Frum also pointed out that for many other Republicans — especially a certain segment of men — something else was at stake that was tied much more closely and directly to the president and his distinctive style of politics. "Trump allows jerks to be jerks," Frum observed. These people look to the president almost as "the leader of a jerk liberation movement," because he gives them permission to behave like cretins without shame or apology. When it comes to this faction of the electorate, "We're not actually having a political disagreement. We're having a disagreement about something I find repulsive and you find thrilling."<<<