20,000 dollar speakers?

jamesuazer

jamesuazer

Audiophyte
Hello,
I was browsing online and noticed that one Bowers & Wilkins speaker costs nearly $20,000! Is the quality really that much better than a $1,500 speaker, which still seems quite expensive to me?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Hello,
I was browsing online and noticed that one Bowers & Wilkins speaker costs nearly $20,000! Is the quality really that much better than a $1,500 speaker, which still seems quite expensive to me?
What quality? Built quality?

The aesthetics and built quality is much better. :D



But I've seen a $99 speaker (NHT SuperZero, +/- 0.9dB Response) that had much better on-axis FR than most speakers including the B&W.

If you're referring to sound quality, then there is definitely diminishing returns. :D
 
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Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
20k, expensive ? yes it is and I agree, but in the world of high end speakers it's 'chump change'. Now these are expensive !!

 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
As great as many speakers look, the appearance does absolutely nothing for sound quality and it adds a fortune to the selling price.

OTOH, WAF......
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
As great as many speakers look, the appearance does absolutely nothing for sound quality and it adds a fortune to the selling price.
very true(in many cases) , but having heard the M7's @ Overture I can tell you, they sound incredible !

OTOH, WAF......
as for the 'WAF', if you can afford these speakers you probably can afford another wife......;)

 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Hello,
I was browsing online and noticed that one Bowers & Wilkins speaker costs nearly $20,000! Is the quality really that much better than a $1,500 speaker, which still seems quite expensive to me?
For $1500.00 you will get drivers of not the best quality and what will really suffer will be the quality of the cabinet. Making an inert cabinet is not easy and requires good materials and construction, especially the bracing.

I DIY my speakers. I built the front three in 2006. The drivers and parts and cost of construction was $13,500. That was at costs 19 years ago. Now imagine what the cost would be when you add build cost and builder profit, shipping, manufacturer and dealer profits. They all want margins of 50% or more due to relatively low volume. Really good speakers are not produced in large quantities as a rule.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Hello,
I was browsing online and noticed that one Bowers & Wilkins speaker costs nearly $20,000! Is the quality really that much better than a $1,500 speaker, which still seems quite expensive to me?
A large portion of B&W speakers' price charges customers for fit, finish, and exclusivity. Do they sound 20x better than good $1000 speakers? short answer - hell no. As AcuDefTechGuy mentioned, there is a definite case of diminishing returns here.
There are many more expensive speakers out there a plenty. These 20k speakers aren't even the most expensive B&W makes.

But, true high-end sound isn't cheap. The issue is that the difference in quality from a 3k system to a 300k system will never be 100x better sound quality.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
A large portion of B&W speakers' price charges customers for fit, finish, and exclusivity. Do they sound 20x better than good $1000 speakers? short answer - hell no. As AcuDefTechGuy mentioned, there is a definite case of diminishing returns here.
There are many more expensive speakers out there a plenty. These 20k speakers aren't even the most expensive B&W makes.

But, true high-end sound isn't cheap. The issue is that the difference in quality from a 3k system to a 300k system will never be 100x better sound quality.
You are right about that! It is a log curve.
 
N

NMG

Audioholic Intern
This is audio. Whether something is better than something else is often in the eye of the beholder and is based on a whole litany of subjective things that vary from person to person as well as more objective things that can be definitively measured.

If you plopped those 802s into my living room tonight, along with amps suitable enough to drive them, I’d be a very happy man and would likely stay that way for years. Maybe until I die considering I still have the same main speakers I bought over 15 years ago.

Would I spend my own money to buy them and the amps suitable enough to drive them? Heck no. Can’t afford them, not even close. I could see spending say 10K on a set of “forever”speakers when it comes to replace mine. That would be a splurge for sure, but I think I could rationalize it. Would they be better than the 802s? To many people yes. To many people no.
 
Kingnoob

Kingnoob

Audioholic Samurai
Hello,
I was browsing online and noticed that one Bowers & Wilkins speaker costs nearly $20,000! Is the quality really that much better than a $1,500 speaker, which still seems quite expensive to me?
I’ll probably never be able to afford speakers that expensive that brand makes even pricier ones then that!!
diminishing returns is heavily debated , with various opinions on when extra spending results in little increase in sound quality.
these are also extremely costly !!!

 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Comparing by price alone doesn't mean a lot. Diminishing returns do set in, but likely those B&Ws are more capable than most $1500 speakers. Maybe even prettier in some folks' eyes.....
 
Happy Joe

Happy Joe

Audioholic
I, long ago, decided that higher level speakers should be considered fine furniture;... or art pieces; with an acoustic function.

I select my wall art after taking in to account its likely position and acoustic properties.

Enjoy!
 
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TankTop5

Audioholic Samurai
I’ll take Project Everest along with an integrated Accuphase and move on with my life not looking back.
 
Tankini

Tankini

Audioholic Chief
Are those 100W LED bulbs in there? :D
I know huh! I loved to do a sit down with a setup like that. From what I've read up on those, seeing those diaphragms breathing in and out is amazing. Rich people can't afford a setup like that only the wealthy can. Me? I'm on a beer and peanuts setup. You, on a steak and wine setup. :)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I know huh! I loved to do a sit down with a setup like that. From what I've read up on those, seeing those diaphragms breathing in and out is amazing. Rich people can't afford a setup like that only the wealthy can. Me? I'm on a beer and peanuts setup. You, on a steak and wine setup. :)
Well, I try to avoid red meat (beef, lamb, pork). So I prefer seafood gumbo. :D

And I don’t drink any alcoholic beverages. :D
 
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