Another Disgrace from Gestapo USA.

[highfigh]

Israeli citizens have a diverse background with a diverse set of goals, like most countries. Unlike you I don't think most Americans thinks "What's in it, for me?".



You don't need a written Constitution to put restraints on a governments power.



Just look at at low the current Republicans have sunk.



Depends on the rules and I'm sure you can look at history for examples of bad rules, say, legalised slavery. Or many other countries in current time, for that matter.

What is the source of your info about whether Americans think "What's in it, for me?" or not?

How many times do I need to comment on the decline of the GOP before you see that I agree about that?

Here we go- throwing slavery in an American't face. It's not that it was legal, it just wasn't illegal. Same as in other countries before they banned it.

Do you know who captured most slaves in Africa in order to sell them? Look into that. Also, if White people had gone into African countries to capture people for the slave trade, do you really think they would have survived? If the local indigenous people didn't kill them, diseases and animals would.

From the link below- read it. It also show that Mauritania was the last country to officially ban slavery in 1981 and if you didn't know, that country is part of Africa. The ban didn't end it, however.

1518- "Decree of Holy Roman Emperor Charles V establishing the importation of African slaves to the Americas, under monopoly of Laurent de Gouvenot, in an attempt to discourage enslavement of Native Americans.".

Slavery hasn't been acceptable or practiced in every US state and many banned it within ~100 years of the colonists coming here.

BTW- if you don't think Columbus had slaves, guess again.

Timeline of abolition of slavery and serfdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Trell]

What is the source of your info about whether Americans think "What's in it, for me?" or not?

Good grief, but then I'm not a misanthrope.

Anecdotally, I've worked with a number of Americans and none of them struck me as "What's in it, for me?"-types. You can even see it in the posts from many AH members, conservative as well as liberal. There are some outliers, I'll give you that, and you can look them up on this forum.

How many times do I need to comment on the decline of the GOP before you see that I agree about that?

You're perpetually misunderstood by a number of members here for some reason. Why do you think that is so?

Here we go- throwing slavery in an American't face. It's not that it was legal, it just wasn't illegal. Same as in other countries before they banned it.

Did I claim otherwise in my post?

Do you know who captured most slaves in Africa in order to sell them? Look into that. Also, if White people had gone into African countries to capture people for the slave trade, do you really think they would have survived? If the local indigenous people didn't kill them, diseases and animals would.

The "White Man's Burden" burden argument. Please look that up.

From the link below- read it. It also show that Mauritania was the last country to officially ban slavery in 1981 and if you didn't know, that country is part of Africa. The ban didn't end it, however.

You think I'm completely ignorant about this? At least my reply to you made you look up some things about slavery internationally.

1518- "Decree of Holy Roman Emperor Charles V establishing the importation of African slaves to the Americas, under monopoly of Laurent de Gouvenot, in an attempt to discourage enslavement of Native Americans.".

Again, you for some reason think I'm completely ignorant about the history of slavery. But I do admit there is much I don't know.

USA for sure was not alone in condoning, trade or practice chattel slavery, but the Western world for most part has fessed up to that awful history and tried to make amends (including US). Unlike the MAGA and the Trump administration. And you, apparently.

Also, some countries (say, Norway) made it illegal to have slave in their country but still allowed trading of slaves.

Slavery hasn't been acceptable or practiced in every US state and many banned it within ~100 years of the colonists coming here.

You did have a Civil War that the South said, more or less, was due to oppression by the North forbidding slavery. Guess where racism, systemic or otherwise, is still prevalent.

Also, the 1776 US Revolution prolonged slavery for several decades. The Brits outlawed it in their colonies in 1833.

BTW- if you don't think Columbus had slaves, guess again.

Timeline of abolition of slavery and serfdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whatever made you think I was that ignorant, yet again? Things like this, and above, was on my curriculum when I grew up.

At the end I'll mention there is still a passage in the US Constitution where slavery is still allowed and practised today. I leave that as an exercise for you, but a hint is the 13th Amendment. Have a look at that history.

 

[highfigh]

Here's the Elephant in the room for those of you who think the US should scrap its Constitution- you want this to happen with American policitians in government? Hell no! As bad as many in the general population are, I trust the government even less.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I've already self-deported to an unknown location!

Must be nice to have internet or phone data.

 

[Trell]

Must be nice to have internet or phone data.

Don't tell anyone but I'm sitting in a toilet with golden sits and boxes with Top Secret documents along with paper clips.

 

[highfigh]

Good grief, but then I'm not a misanthrope.

Anecdotally, I've worked with a number of Americans and none of them struck me as "What's in it, for me?"-types. You can even see it in the posts from many AH members, conservative as well as liberal. There are some outliers, I'll give you that, and you can look them up on this forum.

You're perpetually misunderstood by a number of members here for some reason. Why do you think that is so?

The "White Man's Burden" burden argument. Please look that up.

You think I'm completely ignorant about this? At least my reply to you made you look up some things about slavery internationally.

Again, you for some reason think I'm completely ignorant about the history of slavery. But I do admit there is much I don't know.

USA for sure was not alone in condoning, trade or practice chattel slavery, but the Western world for most part has fessed up to that awful history and tried to make amends (including US). Unlike the MAGA and the Trump administration. And you, apparently.

Also, some countries (say, Norway) made it illegal to have slave in their country but still allowed trading of slaves.

You did have a Civil War that the South said, more or less, was due to oppression by the North forbidding slavery. Guess where racism, systemic or otherwise, is still prevalent.

Also, the 1776 US Revolution prolonged slavery for several decades. The Brits outlawed it in their colonies in 1833.

Whatever made you think I was that ignorant, yet again? Things like this, and above, was on my curriculum when I grew up.

At the end I'll mention there is still a passage in the US Constitution where slavery is still allowed and practised today. I leave that as an exercise for you, but a hint is the 13th Amendment. Have a look at that history.

It seems that many countries banned slavery as a formality and a "See! We did it, too!" act.

You don't deal with uneducated Americans, do you? Look into the education requirements in the US, the stats on the level of education attained and the number of Americans who performed poorly in grade school through high school- major US citiy high schools send 'graduates' into the world without the ability to read, write, do simple math(s) and they certainly don't know or care about history.

BTW- some us know what's included in the Amendments, thanks anyway. But you're shoving that in my face when it happened long before I was born and I wasn't taught to hate anyone or believe anyone should be enslaved or oppressed.

Great Britain banned slavery 35 years before the US- if they're so much more evolved than the US, why did they take so long? With their history of badness, it doesn't exactly scream "We're better!".

You make a lot of blanket comments and accusations without details unless pressed- why not be more accurate and specific up front? You and some others think I'm a hard core Republican- the political parties can kiss my ass. I don't think you're ignorant about slavery and other topics but you do like to go on about how bad the US is. Some of us know how bad it is, more than you because we have to live in it but it's incrediby hard to cause change when there's so much inertia in thinking. As much as you think this place sucks, you would be astounded if you were to come here and immerse yourself. Regardless of the size of the cities, they have problems that aren't being addressed. Small towns, villages and rural areas have many of the same problems but as I have posted many times, the amount of money wasted by cities like Milwaukee is sickening and the results are terrible.

I'm not a misanthrope but I am critical of people when they do something terrible or stupid. I can send or post news articles and videos of the stupidity here, if you want- it's hard to believe people commit these crimes.

You learned about aspects of slavery that weren't taught in the US until relatively recently, such as Columbus bringing slaves. We were taught that he was a great man and that he came to America, not the West Indies. Students outside of the US learn much more in a shorter time and learn far more about the outside world, rather than hammering home the ideas about how freaking great the US is. Well, that's what used to happen, now they teach topics that fall outside of what's needed in order to further the students' education, find some kind of career path and to become constructive members of society.

 

[gene]

Trump says he supports deporting U.S. citizens, including to El Salvador.

I can't honestly believe this is real. I'm dumbfounded daily what comes out of his mouth. Untreated brain syphilis has to be the only explanation.

 

[gene]

It certainly is. They are doubling down in this nonsense that the married immigrant is in fact a Venezuelan gang member, when he clearly is not. Lies, lies and more lies. This is the hall mark of fascism.

There is no doubt this current Republican party is marching down the fascist road. Some on the right of the party are now openly criticizing Winston Churchill for standing up to, and leading the world to rid us of Hitler and his vile regime.

Churchill described Hitler as having "corroding fingers". This accurately applies to the Republican party now. More and more demonstrations on a massive scale against this regime are now required, and should be the order of the day.

I have a couple of MAGA friends that also speak badly of Churchill now and how he should have spoken to Hitler rather than engaging in war. Again, I feel like I'm in the fucking twilight zone. This can't be real.

 

[TLS Guy]

I have a couple of MAGA friends that also speak badly of Churchill now and how he should have spoken to Hitler rather than engaging in war. Again, I feel like I'm in the fucking twilight zone. This can't be real.

Unfortunately Gene it is happening. I attended the Republican Congressional second district convention a week ago Saturday. I am an alternate delegate. It was an absolute disgrace. The worst was a speech from one of the candidates vying to be a senator from Minnesota.

They say don't talk politics, but we have to. The dictum, that "all it requires for the Triumph of evil, is that the good do nothing". So the dictum: - "Don't talk politics", can not apply at this time. The rule of the day has to be, confront, confront, confront.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I have a couple of MAGA friends that also speak badly of Churchill now and how he should have spoken to Hitler rather than engaging in war. Again, I feel like I'm in the fucking twilight zone. This can't be real.

Yes, it cannot be, yet it certainly seems to be real.

 

[lovinthehd]

The stupidly mean girls are in charge now.

 

[dlaloum]

Israelis have common goals- most in the US don't- it's mostly 'What's in it, for me?'.

No, they don't (have common goals)

The Israeli government has been more successful than most in suppressing opinions that don't align with it.

Still there is Haaretz, B'Tselem, Breaking the Silence, and others.

The protests agains the Netanyahu government have continued and increased, and young conscripts refusing to serve, or reservists refusing to turn up when called up, have increased massively.
But most Israeli TV channels and print/published media, don't report on it, or play it down.

To understand what is happening, Israeli's have to triangulate by reading various foreign sources, which do indeed report on Israeli domestic events, from various differing perspectives (Al-Jazeera, Le Monde, BBC, Guardian, DW, etc...) - most don't bother, and listen to local radio/TV.... meaning they are fed a constant diet of government propaganda..... so waking up has taken 18 months of war.... and the awakening is only just starting.

 

[dlaloum]

I have a couple of MAGA friends that also speak badly of Churchill now and how he should have spoken to Hitler rather than engaging in war. Again, I feel like I'm in the fucking twilight zone. This can't be real.

You need to spell this out for them so they can google it: C H A M B E R L A I N

 

[TLS Guy]

You need to spell this out for them so they can google it: C H A M B E R L A I N

You are absolutely correct.

Chamberlain was prime minister, when Hitler started getting Belligerent, very much akin to Trump with Canada and Greenland. Neville Chamberlain though he could negotiate a deal for peace with Hitler. He flew to Berlin for negotiations, and returned to Croydon airport in South London. He waived a silly piece of paper in the air, claiming he had achieved "Peace with Honor".

Hitler promptly invaded Poland on September 1, 1939 and would not stand by the agreement, so Chamberlain was forced to announce that "A State of War now Existed between Britain and Germany".

Things went badly for the British Expeditionary Force in France and on May 10 1940 Parliament replaced Chamberlain with Winston Churchill who at the time was First Sea Lord.

Trying to appease dictators does not work.

Trump is a "Wannabe" dictator and acting like one.

Unfortunately our legal system is like thick glue and could not even convict Trump within four years of his disgraceful January 6 insurrection, and so we now have the dictator back in the White House'!

"You just can't make this stuff up" as they say.

We have serious changes to make to this country. This has made us a laughing stock.

Gene, if you are still following this, please show this to your Churchill denigrators.

 

[highfigh]

No, they don't (have common goals)

The Israeli government has been more successful than most in suppressing opinions that don't align with it.

Still there is Haaretz, B'Tselem, Breaking the Silence, and others.

The protests agains the Netanyahu government have continued and increased, and young conscripts refusing to serve, or reservists refusing to turn up when called up, have increased massively.
But most Israeli TV channels and print/published media, don't report on it, or play it down.

To understand what is happening, Israeli's have to triangulate by reading various foreign sources, which do indeed report on Israeli domestic events, from various differing perspectives (Al-Jazeera, Le Monde, BBC, Guardian, DW, etc...) - most don't bother, and listen to local radio/TV.... meaning they are fed a constant diet of government propaganda..... so waking up has taken 18 months of war.... and the awakening is only just starting.

I should have written that they have A common goal- survival.

 

[GO-NAD!]

That's it. We're deporting you.

EDIT: Maybe bombing.

Included in one of Hegseth's group chats, were you?

 

[3db]

You are absolutely correct.

Chamberlain was prime minister, when Hitler started getting Belligerent, very much akin to Trump with Canada and Greenland. Neville Chamberlain though he could negotiate a deal for peace with Hitler. He flew to Berlin for negotiations, and returned to Croydon airport in South London. He waived a silly piece of paper in the air, claiming he had achieved "Peace with Honor".

Hitler promptly invaded Poland on September 1, 1939 and would not stand by the agreement, so Chamberlain was forced to announce that "A State of War now Existed between Britain and Germany".

Things went badly for the British Expeditionary Force in France and on May 10 1940 Parliament replaced Chamberlain with Winston Churchill who at the time was First Sea Lord.

Trying to appease dictators does not work.

Trump is a "Wannabe" dictator and acting like one.

Unfortunately our legal system is like thick glue and could not even convict Trump within four years of his disgraceful January 6 insurrection, and so we now have the dictator back in the White House'!

"You just can't make this stuff up" as they say.

We have serious changes to make to this country. This has made us a laughing stock.

Gene, if you are still following this, please show this to your Churchill denigrators.

Trump is completing Hitler's playbook. He IS a dictator.

 

[Mr._Clark]

Interesting. Dropping charges against an alleged MS-13 leader certainly looks suspicious:

>>>As part of the deportation flights of alleged terrorists at the center of a legal and political storm, the US quietly dropped charges against a key alleged MS-13 leader and returned him to the pro-Trump leader of El Salvador. . . .

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/24/politics/ms-13-leader-deported-el-salvador-boasberg-order/index.html

I'm curious what the h*ll is actually going on.

I'm starting to wonder if the administration believes that the people being deported are not terrorists. This would be directly contrary to the public posturing about terrorists, but it could explain why the administration is not pursuing charges in the U.S.

First, even this administration probably knows better than to entrust a tiny country (with dubious stability) to house truly dangerous terrorists. For example, if there's a coup in El Salvador, the "terrorists" could be set free. Why rely on El Salvador, unless the people being detained are actually not dangerous? (Another possible explanation is that the government obtained evidence by illeagal wiretaps, etc. that cannot be used in a U.S. court, so they decided a foreign lockup was preferable to a trial and likely acquittal in the U.S.).

Second, it (a belief that the people being deprted are not dangerous) is a possible explanation for invoking the state secrets doctrine rather than coming forward with evidence concerning the deportations. It would be embarrassing if the administration had to admit in court filings that "You know, we really don't think that these people are dangerous, but we said a lot stupid stuff about that to drum up political support and justify invoking the AEA."

Third, I suspect the "real" message the administration wants to send is that it can deport anyone and have them locked up in a brutal foreign prison without any safeguards against abuse, regardless of whether or not the people being deported are terrorists or gang members. In other words, make a big public show of sending migrants to a foreign lockup with no protections against abuse to discourage people from entering the U.S.

The above is of course speculative, but the administration's argument that the people in question are dangerous terrorists is self-defeating. It makes a lot more sense to lock them up here in the U.S. if they really are terrorists.

Having said that, simple incompetence is also hard to rule out. On the face of it, the AEA scheme smells like something Steve Miller or other people with no real knowledge of the law cooked up over some beers in a dorm room and pitched to Trump before he took office. Under this theory, Trump bought into the idea (he seems to be drawn to goofy ideas by people who don't know what they're talking about), and tasked Bondi and the other Trump loyalists with implimenting the hare-brained scheme full-bore once Trump took office.

But, who knows?

 

[dlaloum]

Unfortunately our legal system is like thick glue and could not even convict Trump within four years of his disgraceful January 6 insurrection, and so we now have the dictator back in the White House'!

The US system, vests the ability to control a rampaging President with the legislature/congress.

So the controls do exist - but if a majority are unwilling to take action (which was the case) then the President gets away with whatever he wants.

One does wonder, how bad does it need to get, before the GOP representatives will start taking action!? (well, action that is more than mere lip service)

 

[3db]

The US system, vests the ability to control a rampaging President with the legislature/congress.

So the controls do exist - but if a majority are unwilling to take action (which was the case) then the President gets away with whatever he wants.

One does wonder, how bad does it need to get, before the GOP representatives will start taking action!? (well, action that is more than mere lip service)

Trump is causing a world wide recession, accumulating wealth as he purposely plays the stock market with his on and off again tarrifs, and deporting US citizens. What more proof does GOP need FFS?