mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
It is upon us. Career folks are fired and or threatened to be fired in mass.
Elon's people wanted access to Treasury departments extremely sensitive payment files, 6 trillion and more.

Was Elon placed in the government legally? Any conflict of interest? Did he put all his assets to a blind trust? Oh, neither did Trump, my bad.

Dark days are coming. Trumps FBI, Trumps Justice department and on it goes.

Does anyone in the republican congress have a spine left? :mad:
 
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TankTop5

Audioholic Samurai
It is upon us. Career folks are fired and or threatened to be fired in mass.
Elon's people wanted access to Treasury departments extremely sensitive payment files, 6 trillion and more.

Was Elon placed in the government legally? Any conflict of interest? Did he put all his assets to a blind trust? Oh, neither did Trump, my bad.

Dark days are coming. Trumps FBI, Trumps Justice department and on it goes.

Does anyone in the republican congress have a spine left? :mad:
Your post will not age well
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
It is upon us. Career folks are fired and or threatened to be fired in mass.
Elon's people wanted access to Treasury departments extremely sensitive payment files, 6 trillion and more.

Was Elon placed in the government legally? Any conflict of interest? Did he put all his assets to a blind trust? Oh, neither did Trump, my bad.

Dark days are coming. Trumps FBI, Trumps Justice department and on it goes.

Does anyone in the republican congress have a spine left? :mad:
More the hypocrisy for me. Musk has received billions in gov't subsidies.
 
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TankTop5

Audioholic Samurai
More the hypocrisy for me. Musk has received billions in gov't subsidies.
All government money to Elon Musk, consisting of discounted loans, grants, environmental tax credits, and subsidies equals $4.9 billion or about one percent of Elon Musk‘s net worth
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
All government money to Elon Musk, consisting of discounted loans, grants, environmental tax credits, and subsidies equals $4.9 billion or about one percent of Elon Musk‘s net worth
About 25 billion with SpaceX, but still way less than I thought. Ah that can be cut out of his portfolio. He won't mind since it's in the name of trimming gov. :)
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
About 25 billion with SpaceX, but still way less than I thought. Ah that can be cut out of his portfolio. He won't mind since it's in the name of trimming gov. :)
You forgot about Musk trimming the competition so he gets as many of the space contracts as possible.
 
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TankTop5

Audioholic Samurai
About 25 billion with SpaceX, but still way less than I thought. Ah that can be cut out of his portfolio. He won't mind since it's in the name of trimming gov. :)
Well he already said he shouldn’t receive anymore subsidies. You should watch Stossel on welfare.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
You forgot about Musk trimming the competition so he gets as many of the space contracts as possible.
To be fair (not defending the currentfuckery that is Musk's involvement with the government) do you know the relative costs that Space X launches a kilogram at compared to any competitor. Private or governmental?

I don't think you do or you wouldn't let your hatred come ignorance show in such a manner. Because SpaceX has pretty much trimmed the competition even when things like NASA no bid contracts to the ULA were working against SpaceX.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
To be fair (not defending the currentfuckery that is Musk's involvement with the government) do you know the relative costs that Space X launches a kilogram at compared to any competitor. Private or governmental?

I don't think you do or you wouldn't let your hatred come ignorance show in such a manner. Because SpaceX has pretty much trimmed the competition even when things like NASA no bid contracts to the ULA were working against SpaceX.
You're very naive.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
You're very naive.
I know you are pretty much defaulted at 'platitudes' when asked a hard fact question...

But SpaceX ~2017 had to sue NASA after they proved reliable launch capability but weren't being allowed to even bid on contracts.

So AGAIN I'll ask: Do you know the relative, per kilo, launch costs of SpaceX and their next closest rival for LEO payloads?

Dude it's alright if you say 'no I don't'. I can't really think much less of you than I already do now.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
To be fair (not defending the currentfuckery that is Musk's involvement with the government) do you know the relative costs that Space X launches a kilogram at compared to any competitor. Private or governmental?

I don't think you do or you wouldn't let your hatred come ignorance show in such a manner. Because SpaceX has pretty much trimmed the competition even when things like NASA no bid contracts to the ULA were working against SpaceX.
And how long can he keep it up? Or is this a case of lose now at cheap rates, drive competition away then overcharge as the only game in town?
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
I know you are pretty much defaulted at 'platitudes' when asked a hard fact question...

But SpaceX ~2017 had to sue NASA after they proved reliable launch capability but weren't being allowed to even bid on contracts.

So AGAIN I'll ask: Do you know the relative, per kilo, launch costs of SpaceX and their next closest rival for LEO payloads?

Dude it's alright if you say 'no I don't'. I can't really think much less of you than I already do now.
That's the thing with Musk's wealth. I don't *see* it. Like Tesla, don't see anyone buying/driving them around. SpaceX if he's producing as good a product yet costs less for sure. But don't see it in the market. I'm guessing some of his wealth is futures projection cause he holds the patents and technology etc.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Well he already said he shouldn’t receive anymore subsidies. You should watch Stossel on welfare.
$400 billion
-$25 billion (to favorite charities)
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$375 billion

Put your $$$$ where your mouth is. ;)

(BTW, Stossel is pretty epic.)
 
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Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
I know you are pretty much defaulted at 'platitudes' when asked a hard fact question...

But SpaceX ~2017 had to sue NASA after they proved reliable launch capability but weren't being allowed to even bid on contracts.

So AGAIN I'll ask: Do you know the relative, per kilo, launch costs of SpaceX and their next closest rival for LEO payloads?

Dude it's alright if you say 'no I don't'. I can't really think much less of you than I already do now.
You missed the entire point of my point of my post.

1) Musk, through his SpaceX company, is a major government contractor that wants to expand his business. Nothing wrong with that. His company is what is today because of government contracts and subsidies over many years, and yes, what SpaceX has managed to do is amazing.

2) Now, with Trump as president he has become head of "Department of Government Efficiency" and with this has a tremendous direct influence over spending and government employees. You probably have read about it in the recent days.

3) Musk has a sordid history with SEC over his various actions/non-actions over the years because of his way of doing business. Other agencies as well have taken interests as well. This appears to be the tip of the iceberg. So I think Musk has no problems with breaking laws to enrich himself, if he thinks he can get away with it. He will use his DOGE position to enrich himself further and block competition from rising.

You focus only on point 1 above while ignoring/glossing over point 2 and 3. It's possible to have several thoughts in the mind at the same time, but that's something you've problems with repeatability.


I can't really think much less of you than I already do now.
That means so much coming from you carrying water for Musk along with a lack of critical thinking. :rolleyes:
 
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Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
And how long can he keep it up? Or is this a case of lose now at cheap rates, drive competition away then overcharge as the only game in town?
He can't see any problems with Musk as head of DOGE either. Good grief.
 

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