Can we have a rational discussion about guns and why the typical arguments for gun control and its implementation won't work?

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Of course they're not. They haven't been manufactured in decades, and we don't need to find out with the production of new ones. The End.
I agree, but you're wrong- they ARE manufactured, just not for the civilian market. That doesn't mean shipments aren't hijacked, though. But then, those aren't headed to anyone but gangs and cartels.
 
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Sorry, I haven't paid much attention to your drivel, what post would that have been ?
The drivel you cannot denounce like it was the ban that prevents more firepower by consumers. So when you say nobody's buying MG's, well yeah because of the ban. Otherwise w/o the ban, there's reason to believe they would.
 
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The drivel you cannot denounce like it was the ban that prevents more firepower by consumers. So when you say nobody's buying MG's, well yeah because of the ban. Otherwise w/o the ban, there's reason to believe they would.
OK, whatever you say, I'm busy reloading shot shells today. Getting ready for when you and Trell invade the Mothership .............. o_O
 
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I agree, but you're wrong- they ARE manufactured, just not for the civilian market. That doesn't mean shipments aren't hijacked, though. But then, those aren't headed to anyone but gangs and cartels.
Odd reply meaning I guuuuuueeeeeess you need them to protect yourself from gangs? I dunno. Nor care.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
The drivel you cannot denounce like it was the ban that prevents more firepower by consumers. So when you say nobody's buying MG's, well yeah because of the ban. Otherwise w/o the ban, there's reason to believe they would.
Of course they would, because telling people they can't have something is the best way to get them to want it more. This is the reason we have so many laws.
 
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Dude#1279435

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Of course they would, because telling people they can't have something is the best way to get them to want it more. This is the reason we have so many laws.
Bizarre logic there.

Edit: seems like what you're saying is if we just had less laws than people wouldn't want _____ (ie MG's). The desire for them would just go away, naturally, and on there own if we just stopped telling them they can't have things.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
Bizarre logic there.

Edit: seems like what you're saying is if we just had less laws than people wouldn't want _____ (ie MG's). The desire for them would just go away, naturally, and on there own if we just stopped telling them they can't have things.
If you want to rant about machine guns, start your own effing thread, don't derail mine or anyone elses'. I started this thread to see if someone here had ideas that could help with the problem and you're acting like someone's little brother, tugging on peoples' sleeve trying to get attention.

Have you ever seen what children do when they're told that they can't have something? They want it more. That's human nature. The problem with illegal guns is that behavior isn't being addressed and used as the solution, just controlling access to guns and they're trying to change access by LEGAL gun owners, current or potential. Don't punish the good kids for what the bad kids do.

If you know any gun owners, you probably know that some are all talk, some will discuss the topic calmly and others don't want to talk about it, at all. If you ask them if they want to shoot someone for any reason, the gung ho may say they do but there's a difference between wanting to and being willing, if absolutely necessary. Those who possess guns illegally intend to use them, either as a threat, defense or to shoot someone. Big difference.

WRT machine guns- I know people who own and fire them, but they live in remote areas where nobody will be shot. Most are former military, so they have experience, not like the wannabes on YouTube and other sites who are actually dangerous in general. They fire these weapons in a very controlled manner and anyone who does something unsafe or stupid is TOLD to leave. There's no reason for the vast majority of others to have them, but if they can afford it and if they'll actually practice, maybe it's OK if they aren't idiots and mentally sound. FWIW, there aren't many places where the public can use these, AFAIK.
 
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Dude#1279435

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If you want to rant about machine guns, start your own effing thread, don't derail mine or anyone elses'. I started this thread to see if someone here had ideas that could help with the problem and you're acting like someone's little brother, tugging on peoples' sleeve trying to get attention.

Have you ever seen what children do when they're told that they can't have something? They want it more. That's human nature. The problem with illegal guns is that behavior isn't being addressed and used as the solution, just controlling access to guns and they're trying to change access by LEGAL gun owners, current or potential. Don't punish the good kids for what the bad kids do.

If you know any gun owners, you probably know that some are all talk, some will discuss the topic calmly and others don't want to talk about it, at all. If you ask them if they want to shoot someone for any reason, the gung ho may say they do but there's a difference between wanting to and being willing, if absolutely necessary. Those who possess guns illegally intend to use them, either as a threat, defense or to shoot someone. Big difference.

WRT machine guns- I know people who own and fire them, but they live in remote areas where nobody will be shot. Most are former military, so they have experience, not like the wannabes on YouTube and other sites who are actually dangerous in general. They fire these weapons in a very controlled manner and anyone who does something unsafe or stupid is TOLD to leave. There's no reason for the vast majority of others to have them, but if they can afford it and if they'll actually practice, maybe it's OK if they aren't idiots and mentally sound. FWIW, there aren't many places where the public can use these, AFAIK.
Would you, or would you not support lifting the ban on the manufacture of new MG's? I only need to hear that answer.

Key word here is for civilians to buy at gun shops.
 
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Would you, or would you not support lifting the ban on the manufacture of new MG's? I only need to hear that answer.

Key word here is for civilians to buy at gun shops.
I don't know how many ways I can say it and I don't know why you didn't ask that question much earlier- no, I don't support lifting the ban. Military and Law Enforcement aren't affected, so it can only be enforced against civilians. I have posted that many times, too. As I also posted- freedoms are great, but they do come with responsibility.

Again, have you not read my many comments about people being a huge disappointment, being stupid & (over)reactive, lazy and willing to do something bad when the other choice would have been easier and better?

Telling criminals to stop is like telling a fire to stop burning- it doesn't work.
 
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