Climate Change (For Those That Respect Science)

[GO-NAD!]

Maui is a different case- from all indications, the devastation didn't have to occur, but very little was done about the start of the fire (downed power lines) and emergency warnings didn't go out. Now, their power company is talking about


Since you mentioned need, does everyone need as much as we in the US & Canada, etc have? With the amount of wasted food and other items, the answer is clearly "NO". Why don't we come up with ways to decrease waste and scale back our consumption? Let's educate people so they won't confuse 'need' and 'want'? One problem is marketing- it uses human nature against people and they have no resistance to becoming rampant consumers of things they don't need.

One example of waste is in stolen cars. The article in the link (November 2, 2022) shows that 745K vehicles were stolen by that time- if we assume that 40% were totaled and the rest needed no repairs, that's still an incredible amount of waste.

However, do we really need the world population to grow at the current rate?

Well, there are indications that population growth is falling globally.

Global Population Growth Is Slowing Down. Here's One Reason Why

In 2022 the world’s population hit the eight-billion mark. But such milestones could top out by the end of the century

www.scientificamerican.com

And, national fertility rates tend to drop as wealth increases.

 

[Steve81]

And, national fertility rates tend to drop as wealth increases.

Sort of. If you just gave Nigeria a bunch of cash, it wouldn't necessarily do anything. It's things like women's rights, industrialization, etc. IOW, it's a product of actual development.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Sort of. If you just gave Nigeria a bunch of cash, it wouldn't necessarily do anything. It's things like women's rights, industrialization, etc. IOW, it's a product of actual development.

Agreed. That's what I was getting at. They go together. High fertility isn't necessarily a cultural thing either. Statistics in developed countries show that succeeding generations of immigrants from high fertility countries quickly reduce offspring numbers to those of the surrounding society.

 

[davidscott]

NE Florida (St Augustine) temps seem to have reverted to norms. Low 90s high 80s this week instead of the high 90s we had last week. Hopefully the heatwave is over for this year.

 

[GO-NAD!]

I had no idea that keeping it out was an option.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1693602948692037852

 

[Trell]

I had no idea that keeping it out was an option.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1693602948692037852

Oh my, that’s breathtakingly dumb.

 

[cpp]

NE Florida (St Augustine) temps seem to have reverted to norms. Low 90s high 80s this week instead of the high 90s we had last week. Hopefully the heatwave is over for this year.

I hope so

 

[davidscott]

I had no idea that keeping it out was an option.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1693602948692037852

Can you possibly get any more ignorant than this? Of course, the viewers will nod their heads and start repeating this crap tomorrow.

 

[cpp]

Maui is a different case- from all indications, the devastation didn't have to occur, but very little was done about the start of the fire (downed power lines) and emergency warnings didn't go out. Now, their power company is talking about


Since you mentioned need, does everyone need as much as we in the US & Canada, etc have? With the amount of wasted food and other items, the answer is clearly "NO". Why don't we come up with ways to decrease waste and scale back our consumption? Let's educate people so they won't confuse 'need' and 'want'? One problem is marketing- it uses human nature against people and they have no resistance to becoming rampant consumers of things they don't need.

One example of waste is in stolen cars. The article in the link (November 2, 2022) shows that 745K vehicles were stolen by that time- if we assume that 40% were totaled and the rest needed no repairs, that's still an incredible amount of waste.

However, do we really need the world population to grow at the current rate?

This is not the first time a wildfire has broken out on Maui, August 2018 and yes, they were under a Hurricane warning.

Conditions “Unprecedented” in Battling West Maui Fires During Hurricane Warning | Maui Now

Maui Fire crews battled to protect structures and gain control of the Kauaʻula/Puʻunoa fire in "conditions reported to be some of the most adverse the Maui Fire Department has faced in recent history."

mauinow.com

 

[isolar8001]

And so it begins for this year.
You have to wonder when it will make more sense to just evacuate regions like Florida for good, rather than rebuild them every time this happens.
Seems to me that day will come sooner than most will believe.

Idalia strengthens over Gulf of Mexico and is now predicted to hit Florida as Category 4 hurricane

Florida residents living in vulnerable coastal areas have been ordered to pack up and leave as Hurricane Idalia gained steam in the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico and threatened to unleash life-threatening storm surges and rainfall.

apnews.com

 

[cpp]

And so it begins for this year.
You have to wonder when it will make more sense to just evacuate regions like Florida for good, rather than rebuild them every time this happens.
Seems to me that day will come sooner than most will believe.

Idalia strengthens over Gulf of Mexico and is now predicted to hit Florida as Category 4 hurricane

Florida residents living in vulnerable coastal areas have been ordered to pack up and leave as Hurricane Idalia gained steam in the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico and threatened to unleash life-threatening storm surges and rainfall.

apnews.com

And its all the southern coast not just FL if you remember your geography, Katrina ,, Galveston TX, the flooding in Houston 2017 and also Sandy in the north country impacted in a big way NJ, NY.

So I guess you are going to pay to move and relocate and buy up all of the homes and hotels of some 22 million people. YOu might as well since you seem to have some cash laying around, buy up all of those CA areas that catch fire every year and the Tornado areas in the midwest.

 

[ben_]

I think it's either gradual abandonment or large scale civil engineering projects, and there doesn't seem to be much talk about either. Maybe when the entire Gulf coast is in the same situation as New Orleans we'll see some action?

 

[isolar8001]

And its all the southern coast not just FL if you remember your geography, Katrina ,, Galveston TX, the flooding in Houston 2017 and also Sandy in the north country impacted in a big way NJ, NY.

So I guess you are going to pay to move and relocate and buy up all of the homes and hotels of some 22 million people. YOu might as well since you seem to have some cash laying around, buy up all of those CA areas that catch fire every year and the Tornado areas in the midwest.

Lex Luthor's dream of new coastline property was pretty spot-on.
No Nukes Required !!

 

[cpp]

Lex Luthor's dream of new coastline property was pretty spot-on.
No Nukes Required !!

Humans just have a way of just screwing sh$$ up all by themselves and then Mother Nature comes in and cleans up after them...

 

[highfigh]

Humans just have a way of just screwing sh$$ up all by themselves and then Mother Nature comes in and cleans up after them...

And if humans go extinct, the rest of the world will be just fine.

 

[mtrycrafts]

And so it begins for this year.
You have to wonder when it will make more sense to just evacuate regions like Florida for good, rather than rebuild them every time this happens.
Seems to me that day will come sooner than most will believe.

Idalia strengthens over Gulf of Mexico and is now predicted to hit Florida as Category 4 hurricane

Florida residents living in vulnerable coastal areas have been ordered to pack up and leave as Hurricane Idalia gained steam in the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico and threatened to unleash life-threatening storm surges and rainfall.

apnews.com

Or just declare self-dependence, no more assistance from governments for those who stay.

 

[mtrycrafts]

And if humans go extinct, the rest of the world will be just fine.

Until the next extinction level impact.

 

[isolar8001]

George Carlin always said that the Earth will just shake us off like a bunch of fleas...he was right.

 

[isolar8001]

This is getting worse by the hour....at the very start of the hurricane season.

Hurricane Idalia, a Category 3, brings "catastrophic" storm surge as it makes Florida landfall, forecasters say

The National Hurricane Center said Idalia was weakening but water levels could reach as high as 16 feet in some areas.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[cpp]

This is getting worse by the hour....at the very start of the hurricane season.

Hurricane Idalia, a Category 3, brings "catastrophic" storm surge as it makes Florida landfall, forecasters say

The National Hurricane Center said Idalia was weakening but water levels could reach as high as 16 feet in some areas.

www.cbsnews.com

Well aware of this. We have already moved our boats out of the water in Kings Bay Crystal River from my son-in-laws get away and they are back safe in Ocala. Today we are helping my sister get her place in Ocala ready, then back to my home in Volusia County. .