Turntable for Daughter

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1911

Audioholic
Daughter is 13 and wants a turntable. My plan was to give her my old Yamaha CR-240, which I just had serviced, a pair of Cerwin Vega D3s I had back in college, and to find a good, Pioneer turntable on farcebook mktplace. She has informed me that she doesn't have room for all that. (I'm divorced and she lives in a different city w/ her mammy).

She thinks a preamp turntable would be a better option.

I understand that a preamp turntable has a built-in pre, which amplifies the signal, but does she need powered speakers? Maybe a better term for a preamp turntable would be an integrated amp turntable...

I think on a preamp turntable that the speakers must accept RCA cords and not regular speaker wire, which would preclude standard passive speakers - correct? She also tells me that her older step sis-tra has a preamp Audio Technica which is not connected to speakers at all, but I have a hard time believing this. Not sure if Audio Technica has a preamp turntable with built-in speakers available and if they do, I can't imagine that the fidelity would be very good at all..

If I do need to get her powered speakers, I was thinking that the Pioneer DJ (DM-50D) would be a good choice for her. I have a pair of these hooked up to my computer and I was pleasantly surprised by the quality and imaging of them.

What say you?
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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Daughter is 13 and wants a turntable. My plan was to give her my old Yamaha CR-240, which I just had serviced, a pair of Cerwin Vega D3s I had back in college, and to find a good, Pioneer turntable on farcebook mktplace. She has informed me that she doesn't have room for all that. (I'm divorced and she lives in a different city w/ her mammy).

She thinks a preamp turntable would be a better option.

I understand that a preamp turntable has a built-in pre, which amplifies the signal, but does she need powered speakers? Maybe a better term for a preamp turntable would be an integrated amp turntable...

I think on a preamp turntable that the speakers must accept RCA cords and not regular speaker wire, which would preclude standard passive speakers - correct? She also tells me that her older step sis-tra has a preamp Audio Technica which is not connected to speakers at all, but I have a hard time believing this. Not sure if Audio Technica has a preamp turntable with built-in speakers available and if they do, I can't imagine that the fidelity would be very good at all..

If I do need to get her powered speakers, I was thinking that the Pioneer DJ (DM-50D) would be a good choice for her. I have a pair of these hooked up to my computer and I was pleasantly surprised by the quality and imaging of them.

What say you?
Your daughter is mistaken. A turntable produces a low voltage signal, that is not flat, but to the RIAA curve. Now there are turntables that include a phone preamp, this corrects the RIAA curve and boosts the signal to line voltage. Theoretically a turntable could be connected to powered speakers, however the volume control would be on the speakers and not the turntable. That would not be handy. In addition you would only have a volume control. However I believe there may be some powered speakers with a remote volume control, but that would be the only control she had. These speakers have a remote volume control.
I can think of no other way to solve your daughters restrictions. So turntable with built in preamp, with line out and powered speakers with remote volume control.
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
Any turntable with an amplifier built in will be junk. Turntables with pre-amps built in are fairly common now. If she wants to avoid the receiver then I agree that powered speakers are the way to go. You may find some with a phono input that will work with a regular turntable but most will have a line level RCA input that requires either a turntable with built-in preamp or an external preamp.

Yes you can do this wirelessly. There are turntables with bluetooth transmitters built in and there are powered speakers with bluetooth support, so you need to make sure both tt and speaker support bluetooth. The challenge will be cost. The bluetooth tables under $100 are very cheaply made. Some have small speakers and amps built in and won't sound much better than a portable radio. The better ones like Audio-Technica are likely above your budget. Probably more affordable to get a turntable with a preamp or a powered speaker with phono input and use a single RCA cable. Look for powered speakers with either a remote control volume or a volume control on the front of one of the speakers.

If that knob on the front of the DM-50D is a volume control, those could work with a preamp turntable.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
A turntable in this day and age? I ditched that over thirty years ago and never looked back.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
A turntable in this day and age? I ditched that over thirty years ago and never looked back.
Your adding to the usefulness of this thread how? You're not a trend setter and many have ditched turntables. Your post however is not helpful at all to the poster who is clearly look for a turntable. :rolleyes:
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Any turntable with an amplifier built in will be junk. Turntables with pre-amps built in are fairly common now. If she wants to avoid the receiver then I agree that powered speakers are the way to go. You may find some with a phono input that will work with a regular turntable but most will have a line level RCA input that requires either a turntable with built-in preamp or an external preamp.

Yes you can do this wirelessly. There are turntables with bluetooth transmitters built in and there are powered speakers with bluetooth support, so you need to make sure both tt and speaker support bluetooth. The challenge will be cost. The bluetooth tables under $100 are very cheaply made. Some have small speakers and amps built in and won't sound much better than a portable radio. The better ones like Audio-Technica are likely above your budget. Probably more affordable to get a turntable with a preamp or a powered speaker with phono input and use a single RCA cable. Look for powered speakers with either a remote control volume or a volume control on the front of one of the speakers.

If that knob on the front of the DM-50D is a volume control, those could work with a preamp turntable.
Here's one made my ProJect..

 
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1911

Audioholic
Thanks Fellers. I will see if I can talk her into the receiver/turntable/passive speaker combo. If not, then powered speakers (like the Pioneers I mentioned (that is a volume control on the front of the speaker)) and a preamp turntable such as the audio technica, will probably be the best bet.
 
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Bucknekked

Bucknekked

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Here's one made my ProJect..

The Pro-ject stuff is excellent. And their pre-amp works great. They sell a TT with one built in and they sell an external one as well. Matching it up with powered speakers will get it done as long as you solve the volume control issue. I would however think that better sound control and shaping would still involve a small receiver, amp or AVR. Perhaps that comes after you get the basic setup working and your daughter can decide for herself if she wants to complicate her life.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Thanks Fellers. I will see if I can talk her into the receiver/turntable/passive speaker combo. If not, then powered speakers (like the Pioneers I mentioned (that is a volume control on the front of the speaker) and a preamp turntable such as the audio technica, will be the beat bet,
You really should get a speaker with a remote volume control. Having it on the speaker is a bad idea. You need to be able to turn down the volume as you lower the stylus and turn it up after. So any volume control needs to be close to the turntable. It is a bad idea to have the speakers close to the turntable, because of acoustic feedback.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
Your adding to the usefulness of this thread how? You're not a trend setter and many have ditched turntables. Your post however is not helpful at all to the poster who is clearly look for a turntable. :rolleyes:
Well, you’ve probably noticed that audio technology has progressed much over the decades and left the turntable in the dustbin. Like you I grew up with turntables, cassette desks as well as AM/FM radio, but times has changed.

For a 13 year old child beginning to be interested in music playback today I’d try to entice with more modern audio playback systems.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Well, you’ve probably noticed that audio technology has progressed much over the decades and left the turntable in the dustbin. Like you I grew up with turntables, cassette desks as well as AM/FM radio, but times has changed.

For a 13 year old child beginning to be interested in music playback today I’d try to entice with more modern audio playback systems.
You won't entice anyone with an off handed remark like that. Explanations are required if you really want someone to see your side. Whether you like it or not turntables and vinyl will most likely survive us my many decades. :p
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
The Project models are nice (I do own one after all) but as the op mentioned used turntables I suspected that it may be outside his budget. The Audio Technica is half the price and ok for a starter model. The daughter is only 13 after all and I wouldn't go crazy with hifi gear at that age. Remote volume would be nice though and it's good to have quick access to mute functions.
 
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1911

Audioholic
@Trell: Obviously audio technology has progressed since the heyday of the turntable. My daughter is already well-versed with this modern technology - probably more so that I am - as she has Spotify & Pandora accounts and is a whiz at operating them. She also streams music from other online sources.

I think you're missing the point. It's not about the latest and greatest networking/streaming. It's about learning to use, appreciate, and experience our older technology, as well as the visceral experience of owning and handling the actual media and operating this older equipment - something important, IMO, that is sorely lacking from the latest and greatest technology.

As 3db stated above, like it or not, turntables have been experiencing a resurgence this past several years. Cassettes are also beginning to experiencing a resurgence. The younger generations are discovering this older technology and they want to appreciate the same audio experiences as we did during our younger years. I have read that some musicians today are releasing their music on vinyl as well as cassette tape, which is a strong indicator of the popularity of these older formats. As an example, my soon to be 16 yr old nephew expressed interest in cassettes, specifically, he wanted a Walkman. I am sure it's due to the TV Series "Stranger Things," as one of the main characters used one in the show. I purchased one for him and the belt promptly broke. I ordered another and explained to him that if he was interested in this older audio gear, it would behoove him to be able to effect basic repairs. So he and I replaced the belt and he's now back in business, and he's fired-up, I might add. For Christmas I will give him a proper tape deck. I also gave him a 13" CRT TV and a VHS deck, which really fired him up. He's already purchased about 20 VHS tapes/movies for under a dollar each. He's getting the original Star Wars Trilogy on VHS for his birthday, which he's wanted for a while now.

There's also the experience of going to some of these new record stores and flipping through hundreds of records to find that gem you've been looking for. I've already taken my daughter to several of these stores and she enjoys it. She's already found a few records she wanted, which I purchased for her. I also spent some time with her this past week teaching her how to operate my old Dual 1225, which she took to rather quickly. She thought it was really cool.

There's also the fact that with my old Yamaha CR-240 receiver that I want to give her, she can hook up a turntable and a WiiM, which will allow her to have the best of both worlds - streaming music from her computer or iPad via wi-fi and listening to an old school turntable. What's not to like about that?

Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that reel to reel decks are the next to experience this resurgence. It's cool to be able to properly operate all this equipment and OWN THE PHYSICAL MEDIA.

Hope this sheds some light on the matter.
 
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1911

Audioholic
@3db: Thanks for the Pro-Ject link. While I don't have a specific budget for her system, I don't think she needs a $500.00 turntable for her first. We also would like a fully automatic table.

@TLS Guy: Thanks and duly noted. I agree that if I am unsuccessful in encouraging my daughter to go the receiver route, a preamp turntable with powered speakers, such as the DM-50D (with volume control on the front) I mentioned, would be a good solution - or the speakers you recommended with the remote.

@Bucknekked: Agreed. I have and will continue to advise her to go the receiver route. It all boils down to the space she has available for the equipment.

@Eppie: The knob on the front of the DM-50D is indeed a volume control. Thanks for the info on the preamp turntables as well. Whatever turntable she ends up with will be decent as I want her to have a trouble-free and pleasant listening experience. Thanks again.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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@lovinthehd: Yes, that Sony is definitely doable. Thanks.
I strongly advise against automatic turntables. The stylus has quite enough work to do moving the arm. It does not need added work.
This turntable would be a good starter turntable. I think the great Gilberts Briggs had the best comment about automatic turntables: - "the inventor must have wandered in from the bicycle industry!" Gilbert Briggs was founder of Wharfedale and was a massively encouraged the early Hi-Fi industry with his books, lectures and demonstrations. He was incredibly funny, and could always find that highly comical smart remark. He was also a wonderful pianist and would give impromptu recitals when a fine grand piano was handy.

I am thrilled that your daughter wants to understand the fundamentals. If she needs assistance with proper set up we can help.

If you check my posts you can see vintage turntables still in regular use. I was about seven when I put my first LP rig together about 1954.

This 78 PU head goes back to 1967.



The tube preamp is 1967 also.

This is the LP head 1971.



I find it interesting your daughter and nephew are interested in vintage audio.

I doubt reel to reel will make a comeback though due to lack of material still existing to play on it and its deterioration. Reel to reel takes a lot of work to keep it in operating condition. They also require costly precision engineering and manufacture.

I should know!

 
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1911

Audioholic
@TLS Guy: Mark, I understand that automatic turntables have a much more complicated mechanism than manual tables, but could you please give me some more information on why you wouldn't recommend an automatic for my daughter? I was thinking that the precise movement of the arm (with an automatic) and how it gently drops the stylus to the vinyl would be better than her trying to manually and gently place the arm/stylus. On my old Dual 1225, she attempted this several times and while she was able to do it, it was none too gentle - no damage caused, but it seems an automatic would be easier for her to use. Thanks.

Also, very impressive set-up you've got there. Your RTR collection is especially nice - I see you've got a ReVox...

Thanks again.
 
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1911

Audioholic
ok. The TT list now includes the following automatic preamp turntables:

Music Hall MMF-1.3
Sony PS-LX310BT (as recommended by lovinthehd)
Audio-Technica AT-LP3BK (as recommended by afterlife2)

...and the manual preamp Audio Technica AT-LPW30TK (as recommended by TLS Guy) and as soon as I understand why a manual would be better than an automatic for her)).

The Pro-Ject T1-BT recommended by 3db is too expensive for a first TT, IMO, and she doesn't want me to spend that much.

Powered speaker options include:

Pioneer DJ VM-50
Singing Wood BT25 Bluetooth 5.0 (as recommended by TLS Guy)
Kanto YU 4 or 6
 
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