First post! Looking for sub advice please

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q5thunda

Audiophyte
Hello, folks! I've been lurking for a while and this is my first post. I'd like to add some more low end to my system, which is currently a pair of new Deftech BP 9040's and a 9060 center. I also have an 18 year old set of BP-2X's for my surrounds and finally, a SuperCube ii that is also around 18 years old. It's all powered by a new TX-NR6100.

The cube has served me well since I purchased it back in 2004, but I have moved into a bigger house and my HT room is now 4437 cubic feet and I feel like the cube is struggling to produce the low, clean bass that I have been used to now that it's in a room twice the size. So, I'm considering my next move. I have a budget of $1700 bucks and I'm wondering if I should get a pair of Monolith M-12 V2's, a pair of SVS PB-3000's (I'd start w one and then get the second when funds become available) or....I see that I can get a second SuperCube ii on Ebay for anywhere from 200-400 bucks shipped. I anticipate 80% HT and 20% music and I'm looking for bass that punches me in the chest and gut when a thunder, explosions or any other type of boom hits the screen.

Please keep in mind that I have been out of the game for some time, so I consider myself an HT noob as I am just learning about products such as SVS and Monolith. :) With that said, some thoughts that cross my mind when I look at my options:
  • The Monoliths are physically huge compared to the SuperCube. Will I be pleased with this pair after a single SC II? Do I need two to fill this space and achieve my goal or will one do?
  • The SVS are also huge and way more expensive. Is it worth the extra $$? Do I need two to fill this space and achieve my goal or will one do?
  • Are today's modern subs that much better than the SC ii's from the early 2000's? If not and the gap is close, will two Supercubes fit the bill? If so, I'd have a matched pair for a significantly less amount of money. Or, are the Monliths and SVS technology so advanced that I should just move on from the cube and chose one of these two products?
Thanks very much for reading and for your patience as I'm sure these types of questions are asked here quite often!

Mike
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
Don't take this the wrong way, but DT "Subs" were barely that. It's fairly well documented that they don't perform as well as advertised. Hell, I've even had a DT Salesperson tell me to buy SVS when I was shopping back in 2018!
(I bought neither.)
Regardless, You will enter a completely new world of clean and linear Bass with either the SVS PB 3000 or the Monolith 12s.
I personally think the Monolith 12 will be the better performer if I were to pick, but truth be told they are pretty close.
Definitely do 2.

Regarding your questions.
Either of the options you are considering will destroy the supercubes. It is best if you just accept that those cute little boxes aren't actual Subs. ;)
SVS charges a premium because of their famous customer service and bill of rights... but these are things that still have to be paid for... free shipping 2-ways, upgrade within a year... C'mon... None of that is really free. Rather it is baked into their price. Don't get me wrong, people in the SVS ecosystem love them, and I get it. Not knocking it, but just calling it for what it is.
Until recently, DefTech is known to fudge the specs on their gear. Even your BPs are a lie. the bottom end is rolling off way higher than they advertise. So YES... Modern Subs, again, will far outperform those cute little boxes.

Low frequencies require bigger boxes. This is simple Physics. We all know what happens when you think you can outsmart the natural order of things. ;)

Two Ported Subs like what you are proposing will literally change the way you think about Bass. Good clean Bass is almost subtle. (Until it isn't. ;) ) Poorly designed subwoofers are known to also come with lots of distortion, and that distortion is what most people think of when they think of being annoyed by a subwoofer that is being pushed beyond it's limits.
Strong LF Soundwaves will still rattle things, but in a different way. Many people get their first real Sub and think it isn't doing its job because some of the rattle and distortion they are used to hearing go away. This is what I meant above by "subtle." But as soon as you blow up an entire star system or land a spaceship in your Living Room, a good Subwoofer will be up to the task.

Lastly, we usually recommend multiple Subs, not out of insanity (though that is certainly a part of it) but because they combat acoustic problems in your room that are common to LF Soundwaves. Multiple Subs will play a little louder than a single, true. But you will also benefit from evening out the in-room bass response if you set them up properly. This means from seat to seat, you get more consistent Bass response instead of you getting all the Bass and the person next to you getting nothing.

Hope this helps!
 
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William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
Only have a second to touch on this. But yes. The subs you are considering are better in every single way, and if you can live with the size, you will wonder why you waited so long I know, not knowing what you don’t know can be a benefit lol. But yes. You’ll be happy. As far as options, Rythmik, and HSU, should also be on your list. They will also be large, but that’s what it takes.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Hello, folks! I've been lurking for a while and this is my first post. I'd like to add some more low end to my system, which is currently a pair of new Deftech BP 9040's and a 9060 center. I also have an 18 year old set of BP-2X's for my surrounds and finally, a SuperCube ii that is also around 18 years old. It's all powered by a new TX-NR6100.

The cube has served me well since I purchased it back in 2004, but I have moved into a bigger house and my HT room is now 4437 cubic feet and I feel like the cube is struggling to produce the low, clean bass that I have been used to now that it's in a room twice the size. So, I'm considering my next move. I have a budget of $1700 bucks and I'm wondering if I should get a pair of Monolith M-12 V2's, a pair of SVS PB-3000's (I'd start w one and then get the second when funds become available) or....I see that I can get a second SuperCube ii on Ebay for anywhere from 200-400 bucks shipped. I anticipate 80% HT and 20% music and I'm looking for bass that punches me in the chest and gut when a thunder, explosions or any other type of boom hits the screen.

Please keep in mind that I have been out of the game for some time, so I consider myself an HT noob as I am just learning about products such as SVS and Monolith. :) With that said, some thoughts that cross my mind when I look at my options:
  • The Monoliths are physically huge compared to the SuperCube. Will I be pleased with this pair after a single SC II? Do I need two to fill this space and achieve my goal or will one do?
  • The SVS are also huge and way more expensive. Is it worth the extra $$? Do I need two to fill this space and achieve my goal or will one do?
  • Are today's modern subs that much better than the SC ii's from the early 2000's? If not and the gap is close, will two Supercubes fit the bill? If so, I'd have a matched pair for a significantly less amount of money. Or, are the Monliths and SVS technology so advanced that I should just move on from the cube and chose one of these two products?
Thanks very much for reading and for your patience as I'm sure these types of questions are asked here quite often!

Mike
Two M-12s or PB-3000s will absolutely curb-stomp a SuperCube II. They would be incomparably better. The PB-3000 will have more mid-bass punch than the M-12s. The M-12s do have a slight advantage at extremely deep frequencies. Overall, the PB-3000s are the higher performers, but they should be for their higher cost. At the moment, the PB-3000s are double the price of the M-12s, but I wouldn't say they are double the performance overall, although they do have way more mid-bass punch. I am sure you would be happy with either one.
 
-Jim-

-Jim-

Audioholic Field Marshall
I think the Gents above have given you all of the input needed (well done Gents!) so I'll look forward to hearing what direction you take, and what the results are when you get your new Subs setup and have listened to the change in performance. ;)
 
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q5thunda

Audiophyte
Thank you very much for your replies everyone! I'm going to take a look at the Rythmik and HSU stuff as well. Thanks!
 
NINaudio

NINaudio

Audioholic Samurai
As a previous SC4000 owner, I can tell you that you are definitely missing out on some bass and will be very impressed be any of the options you're considering.
 
vader540is

vader540is

Full Audioholic
Thank you very much for your replies everyone! I'm going to take a look at the Rythmik and HSU stuff as well. Thanks!
If you wanna take it to the next level, check out PSA & JTR.
 

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