Automatic Gain Control

[rjharle]

The Wav. files, like the one you see, are on the CD and the very core and essence of what a CD is. It is not converted to something else. If I open up a CD on my workstation I can view the Wavs just like the one I showed you. It is in exactly in the same format on the CD as my hard drive. They are identical.

Before any DSD is manipulated it has to be converted to PCM. DSD is absolute nonsense. It is a format that is virtually impossible to edit or manipulate. No one bothers any more. BIS of Sweden were the last to try and not brake the DSD chain. They have long given up. So ALL DSD recordings are now converted to PCM for all post recording production work. It is then converted after all editing, balancing, mixing etcetera, back to DSD to hoodwink and satisfy the Audiophools. They are far too stupid to understand and continue to believe DSD discs are superior, even though they have undergone DSD-PCM-DSD conversion. It is all total fakery. DSD needs to go and the sooner the better. As an audio only multichannel format, it should have been superseded by audio only Blu Ray discs a long time ago. It is not true in any sense, that PCM is inferior to DSD.

When you make a M4a file from a DSD source it HAS to be converted to PCM when converted to any other type of file or container. So once you have made your M4a it is PCM and NOT DSD and that is the way it will remain. So there is zero benefit from its transient life as DSD.

I think you don't like DSD.

So is a M4a from a DSD file a WAV or DSD ?

Let me get this straight. Life starts as a WAV file and will always be a WAV file because it is always there just under all the stripping and digital compression. The different file extensions just let the reproductive device know what codex to us to let use hear it again.

 

[TLS Guy]

I think you don't like DSD.

So is a M4a from a DSD file a WAV or DSD ?

Let me get this straight. Life starts as a WAV file and will always be a WAV file because it is always there just under all the stripping and digital compression. The different file extensions just let the reproductive device know what codex to us to let use hear it again.

It is a PCM compressed Wav. file when it is M4a, as I told you above.

It is not that I don't like the sound of DSD. The problem is it is no better then PCM no matter what audiophools, idiots, or what ever you want to call them say.
The problem with DSD is it is just a nightmare, and an absolute PITA to work with. So nobody will work with it anymore. So as sop to idiots, they convert DSD to PCM to organize it, and then convert it back to DSD, to keep the dumb idiots happy. Whereas they would have been better using PCM the whole time. That is just plain fact. We have no need of DSD, it brings no advantages, only obstacles, and is just a nuisance. You can tell it is dying out thank goodness, but its death is far too slow.

In your case I suspect you thought you were listening to DSD. Well you were not!

 

[Verdinut]

DSD vs PCM:

DSD vs. PCM: Myth vs. Truth

DSD vs. PCM: Myth vs Truth

www.mojo-audio.com

 

[rjharle]

It is a PCM compressed Wav. file when it is M4a, as I told you above.

It is not that I don't like the sound of DSD. The problem is it is no better then PCM no matter what audiophools, idiots, or what ever you want to call them say.
The problem with DSD is it is just a nightmare, and an absolute PITA to work with. So nobody will work with it anymore. So as sop to idiots, they convert DSD to PCM to organize it, and then convert it back to DSD, to keep the dumb idiots happy. Whereas they would have been better using PCM the whole time. That is just plain fact. We have no need of DSD, it brings no advantages, only obstacles, and is just a nuisance. You can tell it is dying out thank goodness, but its death is far too slow.

In your case I suspect you thought you were listening to DSD. Well you were not!

You are saying that when I make a DSD recording on a Korg DS-DAC-10R it isn't a DSD recording?

 

[TLS Guy]

You are saying that when I make a DSD recording on a Korg DS-DAC-10R it isn't a DSD recording?

That is exactly what I am saying. To listen to DSD, you must have a player and a receiver or pre/pro that can decode DSD. A lot can not and convert to PCM either in the player or receiver. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO DSD.

 

[rjharle]

That is exactly what I am saying. To listen to DSD, you must have a player and a receiver or pre/pro that can decode DSD. A lot can not and convert to PCM either in the player or receiver. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO DSD.

YES:

https://www.korg.com/us/products/audio/ds_dac_10r/ < DSD Recorder

https://www.korg.com/us/products/audio/audiogate4/ < Software

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-f8mcMQDKkkL/p_133UB820K/Panasonic-DP-UB820.html < Player

Check it out

P.S. PCM Conversion Too

 

[Verdinut]

YES:

https://www.korg.com/us/products/audio/ds_dac_10r/ < DSD Recorder

https://www.korg.com/us/products/audio/audiogate4/ < Software

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-f8mcMQDKkkL/p_133UB820K/Panasonic-DP-UB820.html < Player

Check it out

Have a good read:

DSD vs. PCM: Myth vs. Truth

DSD vs. PCM: Myth vs Truth

www.mojo-audio.com

 

[rjharle]

Have a good read:

DSD vs. PCM: Myth vs. Truth

DSD vs. PCM: Myth vs Truth

www.mojo-audio.com

I read the article, very informative but, I don't see how it relates to the conversation. Sorry, we are discussing what I'm listing to. Are all audio files WAV and if I'm listing to DSD. Since DSD can be converted to a M4a format is it a WAV too?

 

[lovinthehd]

Seems if you use usb you can get dsd files into the Panasonic bluray player, but what happens from there?

 

[TLS Guy]

I read the article, very informative but, I don't see how it relates to the conversation. Sorry, we are discussing what I'm listing to. Are all audio files WAV and if I'm listing to DSD. Since DSD can be converted to a M4a format is it a WAV too?

If you are going to store DSD then you need DSF files. The more usual way is storing a direct image of the disc. However as I said you can not manipulate DSD, so if you compress it you have to convert it to PCM. The bits lost in the compression can not be restored, and so can not be converted back to DSD after compression.

This whole conversation has become pointless. DSD has NO advantage over PCM in terms of sound quality. That is another Audiophool, myth like "funny wire", and many others. DSD does not produce bad sound, but not better sound. It has the huge disadvantage that it is very hard to work with. So it is time for you to stop banging on about this format that should never have come about. It came about because there were a very ignorant bunch of engineers that did not have the math skills to truly understand digital audio and especially the math of the Reed-Solomon code.

You can waste your money on those dumb products you site, but they are pointless.

I do have a couple of players that will play SACD DSD discs. That is because SACD discs were the first to offer uncompressed 5.1 audio. I have not bought an SACD in years.

So I think we need to bring this a close, as this thread is fast becoming as pointless as DSD.

 

[rjharle]

If you are going to store DSD then you need DSF files. The more usual way is storing a direct image of the disc. However as I said you can not manipulate DSD, so if you compress it you have to convert it to PCM. The bits lost in the compression can not be restored, and so can not be converted back to DSD after compression.

This whole conversation has become pointless. DSD has NO advantage over PCM in terms of sound quality. That is another Audiophool, myth like "funny wire", and many others. DSD does not produce bad sound, but not better sound. It has the huge disadvantage that it is very hard to work with. So it is time for you to stop banging on about this format that should never have come about. It came about because there were a very ignorant bunch of engineers that did not have the math skills to truly understand digital audio and especially the math of the Reed-Solomon code.

You can waste your money on those dumb products you site, but they are pointless.

I do have a couple of players that will play SACD DSD discs. That is because SACD discs were the first to offer uncompressed 5.1 audio. I have not bought an SACD in years.

So I think we need to bring this a close, as this thread is fast becoming as pointless as DSD.

I think you are making this post into a lot more than it is. You are arguing about points and statements that were never said. I never said anything about one format being superior or that I knew more than you about the subject. I didn't post the article.

Let's review what I said.

POSTED: Automatic Gain Control - Was looking for a program or VST that would correct differences in volume in a bunch of files that is all I was looking for. You posted the issues with it, and then it snowballed.

M4A files weren't WAV. You disagreed I said fine.
I asked if a DSD file converted to M4a would be WAV since it began as a DSD file.
You said I'm not listening to DSD. I said yes and post the equipment I use to listen to them. The KORG also records in PCM 44.1kHz/48kHz/88.2kHz/96kHz/176.4kHz/192kHz, 16bit/24bit
You said "it is clear to me, you have serious and fundamental misunderstandings." I posted to show you your assumption was incorrect. I didn't create any pointless posts if this has become a pointless post it is because you are arguing with yourself trying to make the post more than it is.