Remote Failure Can Mimic Serious AVR and AVP failure! Also Great Service from Remotes.com

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The issue for me is I work from home and I’m on my phone most of the day and oncall too. So the phone is occupied with my other uses.

The Yamaha phone app is nice for sure though.
The app works when the phone is in use.
 
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I don't care what anyone says, touchscreen devices may make good, fancy looking remotes, but I don't want to have to turn on a screen to change the volume. Too many steps, and makes your eyes water in a dark theater room.

That said, I'm also a guy that has a tablet just for controlling things in their house, but not really the TV. Suppose I could though...
I hate the apps in most cases but I use the MusicCast app whenever I need to perform specific functions or when I turn on a radio station in the morning or for streaming. For AV use, I use my Harmony remote. The MusicCast app allows a lot of setup control as well as all of the input changes. It's probably one of the best I have used and it's easy to rearrange the inputs by dragging & dropping the buttons.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I hate the apps in most cases but I use the MusicCast app whenever I need to perform specific functions or when I turn on a radio station in the morning or for streaming. For AV use, I use my Harmony remote. The MusicCast app allows a lot of setup control as well as all of the input changes. It's probably one of the best I have used and it's easy to rearrange the inputs by dragging & dropping the buttons.
If I'm going to have my tablet be able to control the TVs and media players, it won't be from the Harmony app, even though it's fine. I'll just do something in my home control software and make a little dashboard or something. Keep it a bit more simple than switching apps.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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I just did a post mortem on that errant remote. There was one small Philips screw in the battery box. Hi-Fi was right the unit was glued together. I got the two halves of the unit apart with a sharp blade and screw driver.

There was nothing visually wrong in the remote. It was clean and nothing had been spilt or entered it. The contacts all looked fine and there was no damage nor cracks in the circuit board. It looked to be in new condition visually.

So I have to conclude that the problem must be component failure, or firmware corruption in the remote.

I agree that these units should sense corrupted remote data. I have to wonder if this is more common than we realize. I would never have thought this was the cause of the problems. I only realized it when the other unit malfunctioned with this problem remote. So it really was just blind luck this problem was identified.

The AVP remains snappy with the remote from Remotes.com. I really like that remote. I think I may order another and one of their remotes for my Marantz AVP 7705.

I'm not that impressed with those Marantz remotes, all of them have to be pointed pretty straight at the unit. My gear is to the side in the AV room. To get the unit to respond, I have to stretch my arm out and get the line as straight as I can. It will not work from the third row.

The Remotes.com remote on the other hand seems to work from any position in the room and has a longer range. They seem nice high quality devices.

This has been a surprising discovery for me. So we have this possibility to add to responding to posts about errant AVRs and AVPs.

Sound United or their new owners, need to make their units non responsive to corrupted remote commands, and certainly not perform in the manner I described, with lockups etc.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
If I'm going to have my tablet be able to control the TVs and media players, it won't be from the Harmony app, even though it's fine. I'll just do something in my home control software and make a little dashboard or something. Keep it a bit more simple than switching apps.
I like their remotes (aside from some having a 'Device Mode'), not a fan of the app but I use it when I want to change something when I don't have the remote.

Having everything on one app requires Crestron, Control4, Elan or something like them and they're a lot more expensive than most people want to go.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
I just did a post mortem on that errant remote. There was one small Philips screw in the battery box. Hi-Fi was right the unit was glued together. I got the two halves of the unit apart with a sharp blade and screw driver.

There was nothing visually wrong in the remote. It was clean and nothing had been spilt or entered it. The contacts all looked fine and there was no damage nor cracks in the circuit board. It looked to be in new condition visually.

So I have to conclude that the problem must be component failure, or firmware corruption in the remote.

I agree that these units should sense corrupted remote data. I have to wonder if this is more common than we realize. I would never have thought this was the cause of the problems. I only realized it when the other unit malfunctioned with this problem remote. So it really was just blind luck this problem was identified.

The AVP remains snappy with the remote from Remotes.com. I really like that remote. I think I may order another and one of their remotes for my Marantz AVP 7705.

I'm not that impressed with those Marantz remotes, all of them have to be pointed pretty straight at the unit. My gear is to the side in the AV room. To get the unit to respond, I have to stretch my arm out and get the line as straight as I can. It will not work from the third row.

The Remotes.com remote on the other hand seems to work from any position in the room and has a longer range. They seem nice high quality devices.

This has been a surprising discovery for me. So we have this possibility to add to responding to posts about errant AVRs and AVPs.

Sound United or their new owners, need to make their units non responsive to corrupted remote commands, and certainly not perform in the manner I described, with lockups etc.
Sensing and reacting to corrupt codes adds levels of complexity that we don't want but as I wrote, only a few companies make IR control devices, not Denon, Marantz, etc and even fewer that make remote controls- Celadon, URC and a few others.

How old were your batteries? Has that old remote been dropped? That can dislodge solder joints and as an example of a remote series you would NEVER want to drop, the URC Apollo and Gemini models had an IR emitter board that could separate from the main board when dropped on the IR lens.

BTW- if you have a video camera (old, new, in a phone, etc), aim your remotes at the lens and watch as you press buttons- newer smart phone cameras don't pass IR, but old ones do and you'll see a gray dot where the emitter is sending the light. You'll be able to see the angle of coverage and most OEM remotes have one, two or three LED bulbs, all aimed more or less straight out from the end. Aftermarket remotes usually cover a much wider area. If you use an iPhone, use the camera lens on the face because the one(s) on the rear won't work for this. This is one of the first things people in custom integration do if a remote doesn't work- some remote manufacturers hand out IR detectors and URC sells one that's far too expensive, so very few people carry anything other than their smart phone.

The IR receiver will only respond to correct codes- these devices aren't, and don't need to be, particularly smart and as an FYI- almost all remotes repeat the commands three times, every time the button is pressed. Light reflections can confuse the device being controlled and one of the easiest ways to cause something to respond poorly is to allow Sunlight to reach the IR window on the front. Some equipment has an IR jack on the rear but, IMO, ALL equipment should have this because it completely takes line of sight and IR out of the equation. This, however, requires the use of an IR repeater or a hub-based remote but it's extremely reliable- it only needs a cable with a 3.5mm plug on each end unless the repeater has a Euro connector.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Just an update. My second Marantz RC016SR remote has failed. This was the one for the AV 7701 in the great room.

The problem started as difficulty getting a response from the on/off button. Thne the issue progressed to the unit firing up and then shutting down almost immediately. Because of the previous issue, I got the remote from the Remotes.com from the unit upstairs, and the downstairs unit worked perfectly. So I ordered another of the remotes from Remotes.com. These are excellent remotes. The original remotes for the AV 7701s are RC016SR. So if anybody has these remotes I advise replacing with a remote from remotes.com.

Since replacing the remote on the AV7701 in the family room it has worked fine. It is no longer locking up and I have not had to do soft resets.

I have no idea if this issue in unique to the Marantz 7701. However, if any Marantz receiver or AVP owners are having strange issues, then replacing the remote should be considered before replacing and junking the unit.

I think I might well have recycled that unit in the family room, if I had not had an identical remote in the family room. I just did that check on a way off base odd chance.

Since replacing those original remotes there have been zero issues with both units.
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
Wish I had better luck. I have a Marantz SR4023 2-channel receiver which is nice for an audio only setup, but I don't have the RC002SR remote. Remotes.com can only offer a replacement which does not have all of the features. The remote controls some functions, like bass and treble and setup, that are not available via the front panel. Had a chance to get an original remote in December and I should have jumped on it as the only one left that I can find is on German Ebay. Locally I can only find a Chinese knock off. It has the correct labeling on the buttons and cross references to the correct model numbers, but Lord knows if it will actually work. At $10 I have my doubts but might be worth a shot. Seems silly to junk a perfectly nice receiver over the remote.
 

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