RLS 10S MKII vs SVS PB-1000 ?

[rustyocean]

Hello

I have a media room that is 19x13 in dimension. I watch a lot of movies and that's my primary reason to upgrade my subs from Infinity R12 to dual RLS or SVS PB-1000 that is currently on sale.

I know the RLS is not released yet but based on the upgraded specs does it look like it will be better than the SVS ? Also based on my room size do I need duals or will one of these suffice.

I have read the reviews and it seems the SVS is better than the RLS speedwoofer, but both are now discontinued. Will that affect support etc when compared to a new product?

 

[Pogre]

I know the RLS is not released yet but based on the upgraded specs does it look like it will be better than the SVS ?

I don't see the upgraded specs? I don't even see what size the driver is on that page. Am I missing a link or something? Until we have some specs and performance metrics it's just a guess which one would be the better sub.

That said, the original Speedwoofer made a great account of itself so I'm sure the MKII will also, with improvements across the board.

 

[rustyocean]

I don't see the upgraded specs? I don't even see what size the driver is on that page. Am I missing a link or something? Until we have some specs and performance metrics it's just a guess which one would be the better sub.

That said, the original Speedwoofer made a great account of itself so I'm sure the MKII will also, with improvements across the board.

I had received this in an email from them, but you are right its just words and not actual numbers. So the svs even being discontinued would be a steal at $500. Would one be enough for my room or two ?

The Speedwoofer 10S MKII takes the multi-award-winning performance of the original Speedwoofer to the next level. A brand new RSL XDR™ series (Extended Dynamic Range) proprietary DSP amplifier delivers more continuous and peak power than ever before. The XDR™ amplifier now offers selectable dual mode DSP for a more optimized movie and music experience. Select LFE (movie) mode to use the MKII’s extra power for deeper bass extension with increased output. Music mode sets the performance to perfectly match that of the original 10S, but with added power and improved dynamics. New rear-vented Compression Guide™ tuning achieves the same class-leading performance but with reduced air restriction and port noise.

 

[Pogre]

I think the PB1000 and original Speedwoofer are pretty close in performance. A pair of either in a room your size might just be sufficient if there are no openings to other rooms. I would guess the MKII might offer a little more. Looks like the biggest change from the original is the amp they're using. More powerful and more dsp options. No clue if the driver and cabinet are different in any way tho.

 

[rustyocean]

I think the PB1000 and original Speedwoofer are pretty close in performance. A pair of either in a room your size might just be sufficient if there are no openings to other rooms. I would guess the MKII might offer a little more. Looks like the biggest change from the original is the amp they're using. More powerful and more dsp options. No clue if the driver and cabinet are different in any way tho.

yes there are no openings to other rooms ( other than the door to exit the theater room ). The room is just for media, no shared space etc

 

[Reckel]

400w rms and 1020w peak, I got the email the other day and created a thread about it

 

[jbncccb]

I have very similar room specs. I had to go with duals do to a few nulls. I got the PB 1000's (non-pro) since they were on sale just like you are considering.

They are sufficient and work well. I'm out of my 45 day trial period and really wish I would have went with dual 12's. Either the pros or PB 3000.

SVS is great but for the price I wish I had considered some other brands too.

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[Pogre]

I have very similar room specs. I had to go with duals do to a few nulls. I got the PB 1000's (non-pro) since they were on sale just like you are considering.

They are sufficient and work well. I'm out of my 45 day trial period and really wish I would have went with dual 12's. Either the pros or PB 3000.

SVS is great but for the price I wish I had considered some other brands too.

I dunno if you still want to, but SVS does offer a trade up program and I think they'll give you full credit on trade for up to a year, and they have worked with me well outside of that too when I was considering a dedicated center instead of the bookshelf I was using. A couple years after original purchase and they were still going to give me full credit on trade for the original retail I paid. They're really awesome about stuff like that and it makes it hard to get out of their ecosystem once you're in!

But yeah, if you still wanna trade up I'd hit up SVS asap. I'll bet you they'll work with you.

 

[rustyocean]

Thank you the reply, I saw the 2000pro and they are well outside my budget at the moment lol

Someone on another forum has had access to RSL pre sale and here are the specs

RSL Speedwoofer 10S MkII

www.avsforum.com

They seem to saying that even with improved specs its not close to the SVS for movie matching.

 

[Pogre]

They seem to saying that even with improved specs its not close to the SVS for movie matching.

Not quite the vibe I get from reading the thread. Maybe it doesn't play quite as deep but might still have good overall spl. Plus an anechoic F3 of 22 hz is at least in the ballpark enough to be a true sub with some room gain.

 

[rustyocean]

Not quite the vibe I get from reading the thread. Maybe it doesn't play quite as deep but might still have good overall spl. Plus an anechoic F3 of 22 hz is at least in the ballpark enough to be a true sub with some room gain.

Sorry for all the questions, but the speedwoofer isnt a true sub ?

 

[ryanosaur]

It is a "title" being applied in this instance due the the more limited extension. Many (perhpas myself, included) would prefer to think of any Subwoofer worthy the "title" to be capable of 20Hz at a minimum, with Infrasonic extension a heavy preference.


If you are planning on using the Speedwoofer in HT, it will not extend deep into the unheard portions of LFE content. Yes, cabin gain can possibly create some extension, but this is not predictable in any room.

End of the day, it is one of the many trade-offs that one must consider while shopping for Subs in the small and inexpensive categories. You just have to decide what is important to you, and what you can allow yourself to afford in pursuit of that.

 

[Pogre]

Sorry for all the questions, but the speedwoofer isnt a true sub ?

I would say it is a true sub. Close enough for the price anyway.

I'm being very literal in that a "true sub" should be able to reproduce subsonic frequencies, which technically is 20 hz and below. The Speedwoofer is -3 dB at 22 hz? Meh, close enough in my book. Factor in room gain and it should play below 20 hz with good pretty authority so I'd say it qualifies.

SVS subs tend to have a little bit better performance in those lowest octaves but I'll bet the ol' Speedwoofer does pretty good too.

 

[lovinthehd]

I think the first time I saw the term "true" sub was on Hsu Research's site. It refers to a sub that can perform at the lower reach of human hearing at 20hz (and at what particular spl is often lacking in much of the specs you'll see as well). I'd tend to agree 22hz is pretty dang close, but might depend on your spl goals. One place you can see how that actually works out with a variety of subs in third-party tested subs' actual performance, altho hasn't been updated for a while, is data-bass.com . Then again your particular room and whether sealed/ported can make differences aside from spec .

 

[Pogre]

Right. It's a solid little sub for the $400 asking price and falls just shy of Audioholics' large room rating based on the burst tests in the review.

RSL Speedwoofer 10S Subwoofer Review

The compact RSL Speedwoofer 10S subwoofer, available for only $399 with free shipping and a risk-free trial, offers best-in-class performance and advanced features like built-in wireless connection.

www.audioholics.com

Ultimately it is a medium sized budget oriented sub that plays clean and linear. It's not gonna plumb the deepest subterranean depths of bass but it will get you solidly into subsonic terrain for a great price. Like Marshall mentions in the review, any more for $400 is a pretty big ask.