Another low for our good friend Tucker Carlson

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Dude#1279435

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Facial ticks aside, won't fault Tucker here, the questions are what many in Europe are wondering. The German government actions in not supporting the current US war drums seem to be in line. Also, response from other NATO allies has been tepid at best. Netherlands sending two F 35s, Denmark 4 F 16s and a frigate. France ??
The 'who really cares if Ukraine is a democracy' bit. :rolleyes:
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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There is no material European support for a land war in Europe. That's not Russian propaganda. I also do not want to even get close to sniffing distance of a Nuclear exchange with the current crew in the White House.
For what?
 
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Dude#1279435

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There is no material European support for a land war in Europe. That's not Russian propaganda. I also do not want to even get close to sniffing distance of a Nuclear exchange with the current crew in the White House.
For what?
Seems to me Tucker should have just said that.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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The 'who really cares if Ukraine is a democracy' bit. :rolleyes:
Agree with you there, but would have to see the whole interview first.
So we are going to risk Nuclear war, no matter how small the odds, for this? Without Europe?
 
Trell

Trell

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Agree with you there, but would have to see the whole interview first.
So we are going to risk Nuclear war, no matter how small the odds, for this? Without Europe?
Russian propaganda.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Agree with you there, but would have to see the whole interview first.
So we are going to risk Nuclear war, no matter how small the odds, for this? Without Europe?
Not disagreeing with you there. What I'm saying is it's the usual propaganda from Tucker. Well who really cares if Ukraine is a democracy. Then the eye blinking and stuttering. :rolleyes:
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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Russian propaganda.
Not intentionally. I don't have any accounts at Alpha Bank.
Just asking questions whose answers should be debated. Was our media engaging in Iraqi propaganda by asking questions during/after the war in 2003?
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Tucker's schtick is built on just asking questions and building grievance. Since covid, I think it's best to get my Faux news from soundbites. At least that way I'm not giving them any ratings.:confused:
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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Tucker's schtick is built on just asking questions and building grievance. Since covid, I think it's best to get my Faux news from soundbites. At least that way I'm not giving them any ratings.:confused:
I agree with you. Don't want to give any of the Corporates my clicks or ratings.
Time for a song!

 
Trell

Trell

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Tucker's schtick is built on just asking questions and building grievance. Since covid, I think it's best to get my Faux news from soundbites. At least that way I'm not giving them any ratings.:confused:
“Tucker, why is your grand daughter calling you daddy instead of grandpa? Is both daddy and grandpa technically correct? I’m just asking a question, that’s all.”
 
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jhaider

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I don't know what that first sentence means unless its an attempt at being cute and trying to place the race card.
There is a distinction to be made between the charge of “playing the race card” and calling out coded racism. I wasn’t going to go here, but now that you’ve opened the door let’s go back to something you wrote earlier in this thread, with the quiet part written out.

Years ago, respectable [white, male, misogynist, and imperialist] news departments had real [white, male, misogynist, and imperialist] reporters asking hard questions with minimal spin.
That era’s reporting on ex-Western events was dominated by spin including othering, racism, and a giant superiority complex. Narratives of oppressed groups (Black South Africans under Apartheid, occupied Palestinians, occupied Kashmiris, and so on) were generally tempered by deference to the official narratives from their oppressors. That kind of othering is certainly spin, and harmful to liberty generally. Joshua Keating’s “If It Happened There” series at Slate is a hilarious sendup that applies tropes developed during the bad old days of white male imperialist dominance in international reporting to domestic events.


That’s not to minimize the heroic contributions of many international correspondents. I’ve met a number of them in informal settings in my travels and found them to be universally whip smart people who seem to be striving in good faith to inform the public. I’ve also stood in front of the Sarajevo Holiday Inn (the international press HQ) and stared at the skyscraper nearby that Serbian supremacists shelled into tatters in attempts to intimidate Samantha Power, Christiane Amanpour, and the other Western journalists to abandon their coverage of that city under siege.

I do know a few guys who served in that war liberating people of another color and religion.
I’m pretty sure oil has no personhood or religion, though it is black. Let me give you some background on the genesis of that war. Kuwait was slant drilling, I.e. accessing oil under Iraqi territory from holes originating in Kuwaiti territory. Iraq’s dictator brought this up to the US Ambassador, who at the very least did not discourage the dictator. See, e.g. this analysis by a (perhaps “the”) pre-eminent scholar of the “realist” school of international relations theory:


My impression from the time is the hawks in the Bush fils administration saw an opportunity to showcase the dominance of American equipment and tactics against modern Soviet equipment and tactics, capitalize on existing trendlines in Eastern Europe to
win the Cold War, and secure lots of oil for US petrogiants. Sure enough, it worked. Within months of the US victory, the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Gulf Arab counties were all newly solicitous of US business interests. But “liberation” of a sandlot from a vile dictator back to a venal but supplicant monarchy was not among the main goals.
 
davidscott

davidscott

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Can't wait to get Tuckers take on the bridge collapse in Pittsburgh. It ought to be a doozy. And don't doubt this guy has some clout with the far right, he had Ted Cruze groveling on his show a few weeks ago.
 
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Dude#1279435

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Can't wait to get Tuckers take on the bridge collapse in Pittsburgh. It ought to be a doozy. And don't doubt this guy has some clout with the far right, he had Ted Cruze groveling on his show a few weeks ago.
You make it sound like Tucker's someone to admire.:confused:
 
davidscott

davidscott

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Quite the opposite. I was just stating that he actually has a US Congressman bowing and scraping to him. More of my take on Ted Cruze.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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There is a distinction to be made between the charge of “playing the race card” and calling out coded racism. I wasn’t going to go here, but now that you’ve opened the door let’s go back to something you wrote earlier in this thread, with the quiet part written out.



That era’s reporting on ex-Western events was dominated by spin including othering, racism, and a giant superiority complex. Narratives of oppressed groups (Black South Africans under Apartheid, occupied Palestinians, occupied Kashmiris, and so on) were generally tempered by deference to the official narratives from their oppressors. That kind of othering is certainly spin, and harmful to liberty generally. Joshua Keating’s “If It Happened There” series at Slate is a hilarious sendup that applies tropes developed during the bad old days of white male imperialist dominance in international reporting to domestic events.


That’s not to minimize the heroic contributions of many international correspondents. I’ve met a number of them in informal settings in my travels and found them to be universally whip smart people who seem to be striving in good faith to inform the public. I’ve also stood in front of the Sarajevo Holiday Inn (the international press HQ) and stared at the skyscraper nearby that Serbian supremacists shelled into tatters in attempts to intimidate Samantha Power, Christiane Amanpour, and the other Western journalists to abandon their coverage of that city under siege.



I’m pretty sure oil has no personhood or religion, though it is black. Let me give you some background on the genesis of that war. Kuwait was slant drilling, I.e. accessing oil under Iraqi territory from holes originating in Kuwaiti territory. Iraq’s dictator brought this up to the US Ambassador, who at the very least did not discourage the dictator. See, e.g. this analysis by a (perhaps “the”) pre-eminent scholar of the “realist” school of international relations theory:


My impression from the time is the hawks in the Bush fils administration saw an opportunity to showcase the dominance of American equipment and tactics against modern Soviet equipment and tactics, capitalize on existing trendlines in Eastern Europe to
win the Cold War, and secure lots of oil for US petrogiants. Sure enough, it worked. Within months of the US victory, the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Gulf Arab counties were all newly solicitous of US business interests. But “liberation” of a sandlot from a vile dictator back to a venal but supplicant monarchy was not among the main goals.
You went there in your first post and now you are actually editing words in.
Again you are injecting race and now coded racism. This is not the Star Chamber

Your view on how the media worked back in the day was a product of its time. That is history and can't be undone. We can only change the present and future. If you re read my first paragraph, I was addressing the organisational structure of having reporters actually based in the countries and editorial reporting being highlighted as such.

Have spent lots of time in Europe and parts of Eastern Europe as well. The Yugoslavian breakup wars were a tragedy. Western Europe and the US doing nothing in the early years of those wars while innocents were slaughtered for mainly religious reasons still stain us to this day. Feel the same for the Kashmiris, who have been screwed by various US administrations and yet do not have there own country.

Anyway, some interesting insights you have. I agree with some and as for the ones I don't, I will look into them further.

Just a final note on the troops. They didn't think they were going risk their lives for oil even if that was the primary motive of the persons in power. These troops of the many races that make up our armed forces thought they were doing the right thing. As happens, they get sacrificed for other powerful interests.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Just a final note on the troops. They didn't think they were going risk their lives for oil even if that was the primary motive of the persons in power. These troops of the many races that make up our armed forces thought they were doing the right thing. As happens, they get sacrificed for other powerful interests.
Sorry ma & pa, your son died to help preserve the oil fields from evil takover and help maintain balance in the energy race.
You're son died a courageous American patriot.

Sounds a lot better anyway.:confused:
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
What would sound even better: "Your" son died..... :) Don't sound like a conservative!
 
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