first system

[Bentley]

Hey I want to get a system this year (2022) and I am very excited for the fun of setting up (and using it to watch movies in 5.1 and listen to stereo.

I already chose all my parts and pieces. (Not bought yet)

Denon AVC X-4700H
4 * SVS Prime Pinnacles in the four corners
1 * SVS Ultra Center.
1 * Canton Sub 500 R (This seems to be a bargain here in Europe and for the quality! ) Anybody use Canton subs?

I have serious OCD so I have to put the Sub directly under the Center Channel otherwise it will not be symmetrical.

I was thinking to set the Center channel off at 60 Hz (so the low frequency goes to the sub underneath it).
And the four towers to turn off at 30 Hz. I don't know if anyone has an SVS system and what frequency you cut them for the sub channel??

I will play with the Denon because I never owned one. It looks like an alien ship. But seems to be the best value for money

Thanks and Happy new year!

 

[Bentley]

I also wanted to know what is the ideal wattage to give these pinnacles please can someone explain?

Because I was about to order four of them and run them each on 8 ohms 110 watts using a Yamaha RX-A4A.

Would it be better to use a Denon AVC-X4700H ?

Or is there a better option altogether for a 5.1 setup of SVS Prime Pinnacles?


The Yamaha looks like this:

AV Receiver	Yamaha RX-A4A
Amplifier Section	Channel
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven)	135 W (8 ohms, 0.9% THD)
Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven)	110 W (8 ohms, 0.06% THD)
Maximum Effective Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven)	165 W (8 ohms, 10% THD)

The second option was the Denon below:

Denon AVC-X4700H

(8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% 2ch Drive)	125 W
(6 ohm, 1 kHz, 0.7% 2ch Drive)	165 W
(6 ohm, 1 kHz, 1% 1ch Drive)	200 W

Which is the best options for the four Pinnacle Towers?

Or is there a better option like a Marantz or something or do I need more/less total amp watts ?

Kind regards from Gregory

 

[MaxInValrico]

Hey I want to get a system this year (2022) and I am very excited for the fun of setting up (and using it to watch movies in 5.1 and listen to stereo.

I already chose all my parts and pieces. (Not bought yet)

Denon AVC X-4700H
4 * SVS Prime Pinnacles in the four corners
1 * SVS Ultra Center.
1 * Canton Sub 500 R (This seems to be a bargain here in Europe and for the quality! ) Anybody use Canton subs?

I have serious OCD so I have to put the Sub directly under the Center Channel otherwise it will not be symmetrical.

I was thinking to set the Center channel off at 60 Hz (so the low frequency goes to the sub underneath it).
And the four towers to turn off at 30 Hz. I don't know if anyone has an SVS system and what frequency you cut them for the sub channel??

I will play with the Denon because I never owned one. It looks like an alien ship. But seems to be the best value for money

Thanks and Happy new year!

Get 2 subs if symmetry is your thing.

 

[Pogre]

I think the 4700 is a very good avr. I think the 3700 is a very good avr and has all the bells and whistles I'd need. In fact I'd consider getting it instead, then possibly an external amp down the road if you think you need the power. I agree with getting a second sub, tho I'm curious about the Canton you chose. I'm wondering how it measures...

I think you're doing great with speaker choice. I'm a big fan of SVS' Ultra and Pinnacle speakers.

 

[Pogre]

I agree with getting a second sub, tho I'm curious about the Canton you chose. I'm wondering how it measures...

I can't seem to find any meaningful specs for that subwoofer. At least not in English...

Surely 55 hz (Frequenzbereich (Untergrenze) isn't the -3 dB point..?

 

[Golfx]

Welcome to the website. You appear to be an earnest new beginner to “our” addiction. None of your choices will be unsuitable or sound bad.

Because you appear to want symmetry I can understand your desire for 4 SVS Prime Pinnacles in the corners. But you do not need the same size or quality of SVS speakers for your surround (your back) speakers. I would choose a smaller bookshelf SVS speaker. By staying with SVS your backs and center would then all be voice matched to your Prime Pinnacle fronts. (Most of the tv/movie sounds will be from the fronts and center.) This would free up some money to spend elsewhere and would also reduce the demand on the AVR of your choice.

Regarding Denon vs Yamaha, both will sound fine but I would choose the Denon. It will have better overall bench measurements, fewer software bugs, much better room correction software ( Audyssey Xt32) and add Auro 3D sound processing. You will need the room correction software to make your 5.1 system “fit” your room quirks and thus make your system sound better overall.

Regarding wattage, why don’t you first see how you think it sounds in your room. You can always add an external amp to power your front speakers later on if you wish. (You would just use the optional existing preouts on the back of your AVR.) For a more detailed answer you could look up a SPL Calculator online which will compare your speaker’s sensitivity with your AVR or amp’s wattage and then give you a predicted maximum decibel of loudness at your seating/listening position. But you should be “audibly” fine already with either of your choices.

You may receive advice to relocate your back corner speakers to be opposite your ears instead of behind them. But that might conflict with your desire for symmetry. That is a decision you can easily make once you get your system and try various speaker placement options. Likewise you may want to relocate your fronts away from the corners and somewhat closer to the center speaker. But that would depend on how wide your room is and how you think it sounds.

Good luck with your decisions and all the fun that comes with setup and enjoyment once your system arrives.


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[lovinthehd]

I can't seem to find any meaningful specs for that subwoofer. At least not in English...

View attachment 52767

Surely 55 hz (Frequenzbereich (Untergrenze) isn't the -3 dB point..?

Its the LPF range....

 

[Bentley]

Its the LPF range....

it's the

I can't seem to find any meaningful specs for that subwoofer. At least not in English...

View attachment 52767

Surely 55 hz (Frequenzbereich (Untergrenze) isn't the -3 dB point..?

 

[Bentley]

I think the 4700 is a very good avr. I think the 3700 is a very good avr and has all the bells and whistles I'd need. In fact I'd consider getting it instead, then possibly an external amp down the road if you think you need the power. I agree with getting a second sub, tho I'm curious about the Canton you chose. I'm wondering how it measures...

I think you're doing great with speaker choice. I'm a big fan of SVS' Ultra and Pinnacle speakers.

thanks! my grandpa had a denon when i was a kid, and it was super complicated , even though he likes tech. Then I downloaded the user manual after posting on this forum and I see that the settings are kind weird, like you definitely need the manual you can't just wing anything. If you think it's enough power, that's great!, I will do that. I also now checked the Marantz website and they have some super options too. I read a review that the yamaha has a warmer sound. No idea if that's true. The marantz and the denon seem to have similar back design and features. I wonder if it's the same parent company or something?

 

[Bentley]

Welcome to the website. You appear to be an earnest new beginner to “our” addiction. None of your choices will be unsuitable or sound bad.

Because you appear to want symmetry I can understand your desire for 4 SVS Prime Pinnacles in the corners. But you do not need the same size or quality of SVS speakers for your surround (your back) speakers. I would choose a smaller bookshelf SVS speaker. By staying with SVS your backs and center would then all be voice matched to your Prime Pinnacle fronts. (Most of the tv/movie sounds will be from the fronts and center.) This would free up some money to spend elsewhere and would also reduce the demand on the AVR of your choice.

Regarding Denon vs Yamaha, both will sound fine but I would choose the Denon. It will have better overall bench measurements, fewer software bugs, much better room correction software ( Audyssey Xt32) and add Auro 3D sound processing. You will need the room correction software to make your 5.1 system “fit” your room quirks and thus make your system sound better overall.

Regarding wattage, why don’t you first see how you think it sounds in your room. You can always add an external amp to power your front speakers later on if you wish. (You would just use the optional existing preouts on the back of your AVR.) For a more detailed answer you could look up a SPL Calculator online which will compare your speaker’s sensitivity with your AVR or amp’s wattage and then give you a predicted maximum decibel of loudness at your seating/listening position. But you should be “audibly” fine already with either of your choices.

You may receive advice to relocate your back corner speakers to be opposite your ears instead of behind them. But that might conflict with your desire for symmetry. That is a decision you can easily make once you get your system and try various speaker placement options. Likewise you may want to relocate your fronts away from the corners and somewhat closer to the center speaker. But that would depend on how wide your room is and how you think it sounds.

Good luck with your decisions and all the fun that comes with setup and enjoyment once your system arrives.


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thanks for this advice! I will definitely place the surrounds opposite the ear, just as long as the stereo is balanced then I am happy! Interesting about the denon. I wonder what you think about a marantz option because i saw some interesting ones after I posted the forum. The SR6015 or SR5015 seem like great choices too.
also the back speakers will be the same yes. I guess it's too much for the movies but it can also be used for stereo, and also I want to get some bass at the back for the movies too.

 

[Bentley]

thanks everyone and sorry for late replies!
You mention two subs. Well I was curious about that and if you make them stereo?
Would it then have to come out the pre-amp front channels? And then into an external crossover, and then into the left and right subs and an external amp which powers the front stereo channels? Does this crossover lose any of the sound quality that's what I'm curious about?

I did post the canton specs in english above. I chose it because it's got the same specs as the SVS sub in the similar wattage. It also has the titanium cone which that svs doesn't. so also, it's half the price of that SVS. (SB2000 i think it is). maybe that one is cheaper in America than here in the Netherlands

SUB 500 R | Online Exclusive | Products | Canton shop

 

[Golfx]

thanks for this advice! I will definitely place the surrounds opposite the ear, just as long as the stereo is balanced then I am happy! Interesting about the denon. I wonder what you think about a marantz option because i saw some interesting ones after I posted the forum. The SR6015 or SR5015 seem like great choices too.
also the back speakers will be the same yes. I guess it's too much for the movies but it can also be used for stereo, and also I want to get some bass at the back for the movies too.

There is another website we use for bench measurements. It is Audio Science Review. The bench measurements on the Marantz receivers, even though they are a sister company to Denon, have been significantly worse than Denon. I would stick to Denon.

The two-sub recommendation is about better suiting the overall bass response to specific room characteristics—not a stereo bass response. Using two just removes some potential problems. Because you say you want bass behind you, perhaps you could put the second sub behind you. However, you could always see how you like using just the one and then add a second one later if you want to save money.

SVS also makes some well regarded and well reviewed subwoofers too. But I understand if you prefer to use a more local European manufacturer. Regarding using the same speakers for your surrounds as the fronts, the sound sent to the surrounds by the AVR and the movie CODECS will not be the same robust sound sent to the fronts. It will be much different and more subdued unless you use an upmixer called “all-channel stereo.” It would not be the preferred upmixer for movie watching. The surrounds are used to “add” the sense of being there where the action is. This can be accomplished by a smaller SVS bookshelf speaker. Of course, using a larger speaker will be fine too. It will just cost more and not use the full potential of that speaker when used as just a surround.


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[James S.]

I have the Prime Pinnacles and Ultra center, as you are thinking of getting. I have the Yamaha rx-a3050, which i guess would be equivalent to the RX-A6A. I bought the Prime bookshelves for surround duty. I also have 2 PB-1000 up front for subs. The Yamaha gives me plenty of power to run them all for my listening levels.
That's my symmetry. I have since swapped places with the towers and subs. The towers are now on the outside and toed in.

 

[Eppie]

I have two smaller Canton AS 85.2 SC subwoofers that I tried out for a few weeks. I liked both the looks and performance. They don't go as deep as my SVS SB2000 Pro but they are smaller with less power so no surprise there. I didn't push them very hard but there was no port noise that I could notice and the sound was pleasing and blended ok with my bookshelves. I do prefer the SVS and I am running it again currently in my home theatre. I am keeping the Cantons for an office or living room setup.

The Sub 500R is much more capable than the 85.2 and with a rating down to 18Hz should offer performance comparable to SVS. I like the finish on the Cantons and the metal cone driver seems to perform quite well. Can't say exactly how the 500R compares to SVS without seeing some measurements, but given the price difference I think that it's a pretty good option. The SVS has a little more powerful amplifier but not enough to warrant double the price.

Arendal also makes some great speakers but I think the cost will be considerably higher than what you have chosen so far.

Not sure why you posted the Rolls Crossover. The Denon will handle that with its own bass management.

 

[lovinthehd]

While Canton does specify a 18-200hz response, it doesn't specify further the specification....is it +/- 3dB? or ? It's somewhat an odd passive radiator design in that the driver only is paired with a single like-sized passive radiator instead of the typical two of same size. The max wattage of the amp advertised for subs is not very useful without knowing other details like thd/sensitivity/impedance details of both the amp and of the system.

As to how much power you want for speakers (max speaker wattage ratings being another somewhat useless spec generally), try these articles

When to Add a Power Amplifier to an A/V Receiver

What benefit does a user get connecting an external power amplifier to their A/V Receiver? This article gives guidelines when it may be time to consider external amplification for your A/V system.

www.audioholics.com

The Truth About Matching Amplifier Power to Loudspeakers

Do you need to match amplifier power to your loudspeakers? Clipping, impedance, heat, sensitivity, blown drivers, and other mysteries are explored in this article.

www.audioholics.com

Try using this spl calculator to approximate your needs perhaps http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

 

[James S.]

I have the Prime Pinnacles and Ultra center, as you are thinking of getting. I have the Yamaha rx-a3050, which i guess would be equivalent to the RX-A6A. I bought the Prime bookshelves for surround duty. I also have 2 PB-1000 up front for subs. The Yamaha gives me plenty of power to run them all for my listening levels. View attachment 52824
That's my symmetry. I have since swapped places with the towers and subs. The towers are now on the outside and toed in.

Also, I cross them all over at 90HZ.