Looking for External calibration tunes for atmos a guide

[Tenno6]

I have a RadioShack meter that I can calibrate within 2db of 94 (92) and a 5.2.4 speaker setup calibrated with audyssey.
How do I go about using the meter to finish balancing everything out.
Also after switching to an x3700 from an x2700 avr my subs are significantly weaker it seems like. Only thing I can think of on that is the x3700 has sub volume calibration and maybe I had them too high before and am not used to how low they are now?

 

[lovinthehd]

Why not use the test tones built into the avr? I'd leave it the way XT32 set things up myself. Altho, if not planning on using Audyssey features during playback you might check this article out for setting it up manually. https://www.audioholics.com/home-theater-connection/setting-speaker-levels-distance-in-a-surround-sound-system or this one https://www.audioholics.com/frequent-questions/how-to-manually-level-match-speakers

If you want a bit more bass try upping your sub trim levels a few dB...where did Audyssey set them and how did you set it for level at the beginning of Audyssey particularly?

 

[Leemix]

Have you tried audyssey dynamic EQ or boosted the LFE channel 3 to 6dB to see what you think?


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[Tenno6]

Why not use the test tones built into the avr? I'd leave it the way XT32 set things up myself. Altho, if not planning on using Audyssey features during playback you might check this article out for setting it up manually. https://www.audioholics.com/home-theater-connection/setting-speaker-levels-distance-in-a-surround-sound-system or this one https://www.audioholics.com/frequent-questions/how-to-manually-level-match-speakers

If you want a bit more bass try upping your sub trim levels a few dB...where did Audyssey set them and how did you set it for level at the beginning of Audyssey particularly?

I’ve constantly read that you can’t do that. The internal test tones disable audyssey room corrections while running which means you can’t use those tunes to test because you no longer have the corrections running.
Also audyssey defaults (and this isn’t audysseys fault but the avr manufacturers) to bad settings on speakers so you literally need to change settings post calibration as it is. Avrs will automatically put your front channels to large and give you way too low crossover settings. So leaving things to the automatic setup is bad.
Basically from my understanding you only use audyssey to calibrate for room corrections and while it might balance everything perfectly it also might not which is why I’d like to test the balance with my own meter with the audyssey eq corrections in place. Without those in place the test tunes built in are sorta meaningless.

 

[Tenno6]

Have you tried audyssey dynamic EQ or boosted the LFE channel 3 to 6dB to see what you think?


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Should I boost both subs or is there a way to specifically boost the lfe channel?

 

[Leemix]

Should I boost both subs or is there a way to specifically boost the lfe channel?

Sorry, subs yes, in the speaker settings, i just replied quickly and its late


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[Tenno6]

Sorry, subs yes, in the speaker settings, i just replied quickly and its late


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I did and I also enabled the dynamic eq. What does that actually do? I’ve read some people leave the dynamic stuff off cause it just messes with volumes.

 

[lovinthehd]

Are you old enough to remember loudness contours on receivers? Dynamic eq is like that but better, in that it varies the eq with volume rather than just being a fixed amount like on the old receivers (DEQ cuts out at reference volume altho you can adjust the reference level offset manually too). I don't use Audyssey's Dynamic Volume, but do use DEQ quite a bit.

I just would let Audyssey handle the delays (distance) and levels, I've had no need to use an spl meter to change it. Yes, I've seen something about the eq thing but its pink noise and if just setting level I doubt it really makes much difference if its eq'd or not.

So where did Audyssey set your sub trim levels? How did you set each for dB at the beginning of the routine?

 

[Tenno6]

Are you old enough to remember loudness contours on receivers? Dynamic eq is like that but better, in that it varies the eq with volume rather than just being a fixed amount like on the old receivers (DEQ cuts out at reference volume altho you can adjust the reference level offset manually too). I don't use Audyssey's Dynamic Volume, but do use DEQ quite a bit.

I just would let Audyssey handle the delays (distance) and levels, I've had no need to use an spl meter to change it. Yes, I've seen something about the eq thing but its pink noise and if just setting level I doubt it really makes much difference if its eq'd or not.

So where did Audyssey set your sub trim levels? How did you set each for dB at the beginning of the routine?

I got them both dialed in around 75 with the volume nobs and audyssey set them to -5.5 for 1 and -6 for the other. I should clarify this is with my latest retest of audyssey after I made this post. They were in the -8s before.

 

[lovinthehd]

I got them both dialed in around 75 with the volume nobs and audyssey set them to -5.5 for 1 and -6 for the other. I should clarify this is with my latest retest of audyssey after I made this post. They were in the -8s before.

I prefer setting it into the negative to allow some headroom for raising trim level, as long as you don't hit max of -12, I usually get in -11 to -8 range. Those are decent either way. Many do raise the trim, tho as Audyssey aims for a flat frequency response there whereas many prefer a bit more bottom end....

 

[fast fred]

I notice that Dynamic EQ pumps the Bass output and overall impact power especially at higher listening levels.

Is one better off Keeping DEQ off and then just increasing the sub levels after Audyssey Calibration?

I definitely prefer Dynamic Volume off but am I torn between DEQ on or off

 

[lovinthehd]

Well part of that is simply higher listening levels, the DEQ actually slowly turns itself off as it gets close to reference volume. Some use both a boost on the sub level as well as DEQ. Some use DEQ for some things like movies at somewhat lower volumes but not at higher volumes. Use DEQ as you see fit. You might try this explanation of what's going on from Audyssey https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212347383-Dynamic-EQ-and-Reference-Level

 

[Tenno6]

I’ll chime in that I’ve actually got my full setup finished and calibrated how I like it already lol. 7.2.4 audyssey calibrated with dynamic stuff off and no changes to anything. I find I get enough out of the subs now at -20 volume for most of the time to around -17 when I want a nice booming truehd 7.1 file playing.
My own testing I find reference volume (0) is about 95dB in my room sounds great but also gonna make me deaf lol.

 

[fast fred]

Well part of that is simply higher listening levels, the DEQ actually slowly turns itself off as it gets close to reference volume. Some use both a boost on the sub level as well as DEQ. Some use DEQ for some things like movies at somewhat lower volumes but not at higher volumes. Use DEQ as you see fit. You might try this explanation of what's going on from Audyssey https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212347383-Dynamic-EQ-and-Reference-Level

So is there an ideal Crossover setting for when DEQ is applied and for when its Off?

I noticed that when I chose to enable D EQ when running Audyssey, it set the crossovers all over the place for all the speakers. (Individual)

 

[lovinthehd]

So is there an ideal Crossover setting for when DEQ is applied and for when its Off?

I noticed that when I chose to enable D EQ when running Audyssey, it set the crossovers all over the place for all the speakers. (Individual)

Audyssey didn't actually set crossovers, your avr did. Audyssey recommends when using a sub to set speakers to use bass management (i.e. "small") and start with an 80hz crossover (but to experiment both higher and lower from there as needed). Enabling DEQ simply uses those crossovers as set, whether you left the crossovers as suggested by the avr after setup or whether you changed them after that. Audyssey's take on crossover

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