Benchmark AHB2 / Class D Purifi Eigentakt / Mark Levinson 333 - Listening impression & Conclusion

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MasterApex

Audioholic Intern
I have these 3 amplifiers and am curious how they compare in my environment.

Equipment setup:

CD/SACD player: Oppo BD105
Stereophile’s Test CD2 , Track 15 pink noise, , for level matching the three amplifiers
Volume set 72dBC on track 15 before playing songs B - F
Volume set to 82dBC on track 15 before playing songs G-H

Standard Music :

  • B - SACD Norah Jones, Come away with me
  • C -SACD Andrea Bocelli, Melodramma
  • D -SACD Dire Straits, Walk of Life
  • E -SACD Pink Flyod, Time
  • F -CD Ultimate Demonstration Disc: Chesky Records’ Guide to Critical Listening, Track 3 Spanish Harlem
Life Classical Recording Music:

  • G - SACD Telarc Tchaikovsky 1812 overture, Track 7 Cossack Dance from Mazeppa
  • H -SACD Telarc , Donald Runnicles , ORFF Carmina Burana , track 10 were diu werlt alle min
Blu-Ray Movies:

  • I -John Williams Live in Vienna, Track 19 Imperial March , watching in 2ch mode
  • J -Patriot, Uncompressed LPCM Audio track, Scene 6
Apple TV 4k:
    1. Streaming Apple music (various pop songs Taylor Swift, Marron 5, etc)
    2. YouTube podcast (for center channel compare)
    3. HBO Max Movies (for center channel compare)

Pre-Pro Anthem AVM50v, XLR audio input from oppo.
802D3 Speakers (Front) , HTM1D3 (Center) , old DM640i (Surround back)
Amplifiers under test:
  1. Mark Levinson No 333
  2. Benchmark AHB2
  3. VTV Purifi Eigentakt EVAL-1


Listening Impression (Stereo 2ch mode):
  • For songs B-F , level match volume based on Track 15 pink noise (A1 above) , resulting in typical music volume swings around 80dB-86dB. They all sound good. The Benchmark and Levinson sounds very similar in tonal balance, my son (blind test) could not tell them apart. The Benchmark AHB2 sounds very clean on E) Time , the ring sounds the clearest. On v vocal on AHB2 sounds a little bit less weight (Andrea Bocelli voice sounds less vibrato) compare to others. Levinson sounds very similar to AHB2 but the vocal is is more full and the bass has more weight. The Class D Purifi Eigentakt tonal balance has stronger mid-bass/low midrange so the vocal sounds more forward and closer but the upper treble is rolled off. The sound of cymbals are not as clear and not as distinct compare to levinson 333 or benchmark. AHB2.
  • For songs G-I, volume knob has to increase by 10dB (A2 above) to compensate for the recording sound level. The Class D Purifi Eigentakt sounds compressed (lack impact), at loud level, the sounds of each instruments are not as delineated, and the high frequency triangle and cymbals are not very clear in comparison to benchmark AHB2 or levinson 333. Both levinson 333 and benchmark AHB2 sounds very similar, but when the dynamic sound peak at 94dB, the 333 sounds more at ease and each individual instruments details are more distinct (more details of cello vibration and triangle resonance) than the AHB2.
  • It is hard to tell apart AHB2 vs 333 but easy to identify the Class D Purifi once we have heard all three on the same or specific songs. The Class D Purifi has rolled off treble and forward midrange that is its strong signature (by comparison, it sounds neutral/normal on its own when there is nothing to compare). This roll off treble reminds me on my previous Krell KSA-200s sonic signature.
  • The life recording song G-H has very wide dynamic (55dB – 94dB swing). Since my son played at the orchestra, I know what orchestra sounds like sitting in front rows. In my observation, to reproduce this life-like sounds of life orchestra is probably the most demanding for high resolution speakers and amplifiers. When playing loud level , songs G-I , the old Levinson still sounds the best.
  • When playing loud dynamic music song G-I, we heard changes in Class D Purifi tonal balance, the peak sounds certain instruments are level off compare to AHB2 or 333. Could the Class D PWM sampling be manipulated so the peak musical waveform dynamic is lost to bias for more midrange clarity ? Or is there soft clip mode where certain peak music waveform is “clipped” so they sound “compressed” . I don’t know but what we heard is a more compressed dynamic relative to AHB2 or 333 on song G-I.

Listening impression (Movie, using it to drive center channel)
  • Playing with K-M, AHB2 (mono bridge mode) and 333 sounds the same.
  • Playing with K-M, even level matching with AVM50v built-in level calibration (per SPL meter), the dialogue still sounds louder with the Class D Purifi. It correlates with our stereo experience where purify midrange is more forward sounding but less treble.
  • This Class D Purifi amp is good match for center channel or a PA system, it accentuates midrange voice (in comparison, sounds "neutral"/normal when listening to it without any comparison). So the dialog is more clear (e.g. comparison on streaming podcast from apple TV).
  • Try watching the Blu-ray Patriot movie Scene 6; It has both uncompressed 5.1 PCM and standard Dolby Digital 5.1. The dialogue on Dolby Digital 5.1 is more clear due to compression (special effects, music, weapons sounds are compressed) . However, if one has dedicated room , speakers and amps, one would want to watch it in uncompressed PCM for more immersive and open sound.

My personal conclusion:
  1. Class D amplifiers have improved a lot of the years but Class D Amps are still no match to good design Class AB Amp.in term of sound quality and dynamic handling
  2. Benchmark AHB2 is more versatile (good for all music) and more dynamic than the Class D Purifi Eigentakt
  3. Class D Purifi Eigentakt is suitable for center channel, its slight compression and unnatural bias toward midrange makes dialogue more clear It is not an ideal amp for life classical music reproduction.
  4. Mark Levinson 333 is the best despite its old age. It is the most life-like, with more weight on vocal , and more at ease when playing life recording classical orchestra at higher volume level
  5. There needs to additional scientific measurements that can explain why the benchmark AHB2 sounds better than Purifi Eigentakt in my environment and why the levinson sounds more dynamic and detailed on loud classical music. Traditional SINAD, THD , IMD measurement using sinewave do not have the musical waverform complexity and can not explain the contrast of what we heard among these amplifiers in our environment. What we heard can not be explained with just THD measurement as they all sound good (not distorted) but different. As below certain THD, the delta is not audible.
 

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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The Mark Levinson amp was probably made by ATI. :D

300WPC into 8 ohms is very beefy compared to 100WPC of the Benchmark.

If your 802D3 actually required more than 100WPC, was it a fair comparison between the 300WPC ML vs 100WPC Benchmark? :D
 
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MasterApex

Audioholic Intern
300WPC into 8 ohms is very beefy compared to 100WPC of the Benchmark.

If your 802D3 actually required more than 100WPC, was it a fair comparison between the 300WPC ML vs 100WPC Benchmark? :D
At our volume level, it does not require more than 100WPC.:) .I did not hear any clipping, distortion or LED clip blink. The comparison is for sound quality not about max SPL.

I understand that high wattage amp may have provide higher dynamic headroom but I was sharing what I have as I bought both the Class D Purifi and Benchmark AHB2 because of their sound quality reviews .
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
So sighted and no direct comparisons, just your notes/memory for such? Even slight level differences might account for you impressions. Whose "sound quality" opinions inspired this?
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
For the comparison of amplifiers, SPL level matching is a must, so is double blind settings. If you were knowing what amplifier was driving the speakers, then your assessment cannot be reliable. In theory, all well designed power amplifiers sound the same when driven within their rated limits.

Some amps are more limited than others when driving loudspeakers with an impedance dipping below 3 ohms combined with weird phase angle curves at lower frequencies, and that of course affects their performance.
 
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MasterApex

Audioholic Intern
For the comparison of amplifiers, SPL level matching is a must, so is double blind settings.
SPL were matched and we did blind test:)
as I stated :
Volume set 72dBC on track 15 before playing songs B - F
Volume set to 82dBC on track 15 before playing songs G-H
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
SPL was matched how accurately and how particularly? Even a .1 dB difference can be enough to throw your comparison into doubt.
 
M

MasterApex

Audioholic Intern
SPL was matched how accurately and how particularly? Even a .1 dB difference can be enough to throw your comparison into doubt.
I mentioned above:
Stereophile’s Test CD2 , Track 15
Use SPL meter
 
M

MasterApex

Audioholic Intern
My ears can not detect 0.1dB differences :)

My son's friend (not an audioholic, but is a musician) was visiting and he could hear the difference .
I own these amp for various use, I am just sharing for public knowledge in case it is helpful.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
These anecdotes are amusing more than helpful....
 
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Atlas-Athena

Junior Audioholic
Lemmings are amusing indeed..


Hmmm… So why don’t you lugnuts just run inexpensive CROWN class D amps in your systems? What’s the difference IE 20hz-20khz @8 ohms etc
Seems this place is choc full of coupon clipping bargain hunters too… Sooooo??
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Lemmings are amusing indeed..


Hmmm… So why don’t you lugnuts just run inexpensive CROWN class D amps in your systems? What’s the difference IE 20hz-20khz @8 ohms etc
Seems this place is choc full of coupon clipping bargain hunters too… Sooooo??
Because you've got no clue in general?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Haha and you do??? Haha asshat.. Please O’ please edify me.. Flat out joker
You're the one trying to prove your point, not me. You have little to go on (like your comparison of Emotiva to Parasound amps)
 
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Atlas-Athena

Junior Audioholic
I’m sooo sorry you’re right, the multi MILLION $$$ Hi-end Amplifier/cable/power conditioner/speaker industry etc etc

Are just selling/peddling EAR fertilizer to village idiots w/discretionary funds..

curious? How does it feel to have zero PERSONAL thoughts/ideas on this matter? This site is infested w/lemmings sheesh..
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Pretty bizarre response....you following your meds prescription? The high end industry is full of shite, no doubt there....and if you've fallen into that I can only extend my sympathies....
 
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Atlas-Athena

Junior Audioholic
Might have a Crown amp in open box you want me to deliver it to your TrailerPark?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Plus the Crown just might spank your silly Emotiva and Parasound amps....
 
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