Connecting Denon AVR-X6700H

[lovinthehd]

I wouldn't worry about the power unless you tend to turn it up to eleven during drunken parties or something.....the control is yours via the volume control, if it starts to sound bad, turn it down. You can damage speakers if you work at it, tho....

 

[kmoshers]

Absolutely Overkill for the Klipsch

275 watts/channel RMS into 8 Ohms; all channels driven
300 watts/channel RMS into 8 Ohms; two channels driven
490 watts/channel RMS into 4 Ohms; two channels driven

Klipsch RP280F

FREQUENCY RESPONSE 32-25kHz +/- 3dB
SENSITIVITY 98dB @ 2.83V / 1m
POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK) 150/600
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 Ohms Compatible

I'm agreeing and am now looking at the Monoprice 5 at 200 watts per channel. I think that gives some headroom without the overkill. Would appreciate your opinion, thanks.

 

[mazersteven]

Those Klipsch are so easy to drive you'll never even come close do using the capabilities of these amps. Unless you need more channels driven than your AVR can do there really is no need for an external amp

Model 2220

Mono? Mini? Micro? Magnificent? Whatever that M is, this is one UNREAL little single-channel amp. 200 Watts (conservatively!) into a 3-inch chassis with balanced input stage to offer Common Mode Rejection! MANUAL See Front Panel Huge See Rear Panel Huge

outlawaudio.com

 

[snakeeyes]

That Klipsch with sensitivity 98dB doesn’t need much power.

 

[mazersteven]

That Klipsch with sensitivity 98dB doesn’t need much power.

This would work.

 

[kmoshers]

The 3700 is probably your best bet. It has slightly better measurements. However, it doesn't have Auro-3D which I really like. It also doesn't have two lines on the LCD just one and there are a few other features laking. But the 3700 also runs a little cooler. With all the amps you will be using the power of the receiver is not really important. Either 4700 or 3700 will do well.

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So, here's what I finally selected: Denon 4700 (I liked the feature set more than the 3700), Monoprice 5 channel (200 watts continuous, decent headroom) and the BasX 500 I own. Future proof to a great extent. I was able to scale back to the 4700 and when the market goes to HDMI 2.3 or 3.0 or whatever all I'll need is a less expensive receiver. I am looking forward to that much power for front/center/surround but in the end its about HDMI 2.1 and saving on future upgrades. Thanks for all the info it was very helpful. Thanks to all others for all your advice if your reading this. Now, if I can just find a PS 5...

 

[VMPS-TIII]

So, here's what I finally selected: Denon 4700 (I liked the feature set more than the 3700), Monoprice 5 channel (200 watts continuous, decent headroom) and the BasX 500 I own. Future proof to a great extent. I was able to scale back to the 4700 and when the market goes to HDMI 2.3 or 3.0 or whatever all I'll need is a less expensive receiver. I am looking forward to that much power for front/center/surround but in the end its about HDMI 2.1 and saving on future upgrades. Thanks for all the info it was very helpful. Thanks to all others for all your advice if your reading this. Now, if I can just find a PS 5...

31 days to go. You can preorder now...

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/playstation-5/playstation-5-packages/pcmcat1588107358954.c?

 

[Brad McNeely]

So I have a Denon 6700 and was considering a Bass X500 (or Monoprice 3) external amp to power the LCR channels. Am I hearing that I can use the LCR preouts from the 6700 into the Bass X 500 (or monoprice 3) to power my LCR channels and let the 6700 only power my surrounds, heights and rears. And that because I'm using the pre-outs on the 6700 for LCR channels, the LCR 6700 built in amps will not be running? ie: the 6700 will then run cooler and more efficiently? As a side note I was hoping to use the BassX500 to bi-amp the L&R channels and single the C channel. Am I out to lunch or will this work? Awesome discussions guys.

 

[TankTop5]

So I have a Denon 6700 and was considering a Bass X500 (or Monoprice 3) external amp to power the LCR channels. Am I hearing that I can use the LCR preouts from the 6700 into the Bass X 500 (or monoprice 3) to power my LCR channels and let the 6700 only power my surrounds, heights and rears. And that because I'm using the pre-outs on the 6700 for LCR channels, the LCR 6700 built in amps will not be running? ie: the 6700 will then run cooler and more efficiently? As a side note I was hoping to use the BassX500 to bi-amp the L&R channels and single the C channel. Am I out to lunch or will this work? Awesome discussions guys.

It’ll work but you’re still out to lunch. Bi-amping is a myth and doesn’t really do anything for the most part, there are exceptions but they are rare.

Tell us a little more about your speakers and if there’s something about your system that you don’t feel is quite right or good enough.

 

[PENG]

So I have a Denon 6700 and was considering a Bass X500 (or Monoprice 3) external amp to power the LCR channels. Am I hearing that I can use the LCR preouts from the 6700 into the Bass X 500 (or monoprice 3) to power my LCR channels and let the 6700 only power my surrounds, heights and rears. And that because I'm using the pre-outs on the 6700 for LCR channels, the LCR 6700 built in amps will not be running? ie: the 6700 will then run cooler and more efficiently? As a side note I was hoping to use the BassX500 to bi-amp the L&R channels and single the C channel. Am I out to lunch or will this work? Awesome discussions guys.

Yes you can use it with the A500 with the Denon's preout for the LCR. The internal amps will "not be running" in the sense that there will be no load connected to the speaker output binding posts for those channels, but they will still be connected to the pre outs so they will still be amplifying the signal voltage, just won't be outputting current, as again, there won't be speakers connected to those (LCR) internal amps. So yes, there will be less heat produced by those 3 amps, but the difference will be insignificant. You can reduce the heat if you then turn ECO on, but then it would limit the output to the other 8 internal amp channels, that may or may not matter depending on your conditions of use.

The 6700 has preamp mode, that would cut more heat, enough to be noticeable, but then all of the internal amps will be disconnected from the pre outs, and that means you have to use external amps for all channels.

I think the most economic way for you is to forget about saving heat, just spend $20 or less on an external fan and problem solved.

Regarding passive bi-amp schemes, there could be audible benefits under certain conditions but in general and in most cases (including yours), it won't make any difference. You would be better off going with the A300, that at lease offer a little more output than the Denon. The A500 actually offers less output than the Denon, and higher distortions/noise.

That amp is relatively cheap so good value but on performance basis, don't expect it to "sound better" than the 6700's own amp, probably worse if you have excellent hearing ability to discern minor/subtle difference due to distortions and noise.

There are bench test results (just in case you believe in specs and measurements) for some Emo amps, including the BassX A500:
Emotiva BasX A-500 5-ch Amplifier Review | Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum

 

[Brad McNeely]

Thank you TT5 and Peng (for your detailed response). You've effectively answered my question ... I won't waste my time. I just thought that taking some of the load off the Denon might benefit it and by using the the Denon pre-amp processer into the EMO 500 it might sound great. My speaker system consists of Polk RTi A9's (LR), Polk 265RT (C), Dual SVS PB 3000 (subs), RTiA6's (Sur), 4 Polk RC80i (Atmos), Polk? (Rears), Epson 505UB (proj). I do have an Aircom S8 sitting on the Denon to help keep it cool. The system sounds awesome and I love it, just thought this tweek might add some efficiencies all around, but based on your inputs sounds like I shouldn't waste my time nor money. Thank you very much!!

 

[lovinthehd]

Thank you TT5 and Peng (for your detailed response). You've effectively answered my question ... I won't waste my time. I just thought that taking some of the load off the Denon might benefit it and by using the the Denon pre-amp processer into the EMO 500 it might sound great. My speaker system consists of Polk RTi A9's (LR), Polk 265RT (C), Dual SVS PB 3000 (subs), RTiA6's (Sur), 4 Polk RC80i (Atmos), Polk? (Rears), Epson 505UB (proj). I do have an Aircom S8 sitting on the Denon to help keep it cool. The system sounds awesome and I love it, just thought this tweek might add some efficiencies all around, but based on your inputs sounds like I shouldn't waste my time nor money. Thank you very much!!

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Don't give up on the part where the power supply has less work to do when you employ external amps....while may not have the more pristine advantage it's still a consideration.

 

[TankTop5]

That’s a solid setup to be proud of but like lovinthehd might be suggesting is your Polks can easily handle more than your Denon can put out, not sure if your ears can take it though. If it’s loud enough for you and you don’t feel like you’re “missing something” than I’d leave it alone. If you decide on more amplification than it’s all or nothing to really make a difference.

 

[Brad McNeely]

That’s a solid setup to be proud of but like lovinthehd might be suggesting is your Polks can easily handle more than your Denon can put out, not sure if your ears can take it though. If it’s loud enough for you and you don’t feel like you’re “missing something” than I’d leave it alone. If you decide on more amplification than it’s all or nothing to really make a difference.

Thank you very much. what you say makes sense ie: use the Denon as only a pre-amp. Your also right that it sounds great when it's turned LOUD. It seems to still have a lot of umph in reserve, so really is plenty loud as it sits. But it's kinda like horse power, you just can't ever seem to get enough of it ... black hole. LOL

 

[PENG]

Thank you very much. what you say makes sense ie: use the Denon as only a pre-amp. Your also right that it sounds great when it's turned LOUD. It seems to still have a lot of umph in reserve, so really is plenty loud as it sits. But it's kinda like horse power, you just can't ever seem to get enough of it ... black hole. LOL

It really depends, now that we have more information, I would say an external amp for the LCR may be a good idea. The big RTiA9 can certainly benefit from a 200/300 W 8/4 Ohm or bigger amp, especially if you want to listen to near reference level. The BassX A500 can help a little, at least as HD said, take some load off the Denon. I doubt there would be any audible effects at all though.

What are those other amps doing, the resolution is not great but I though it reads "Luxman", yes/no?

 

[Brad McNeely]

Yes vintage 1981 Luxman Pre-amp C120A and Power Amp M120A (120w/ch x 2 8ohms, 300w/ch mono). I currently use it with the Turntable. For fun is suppose I could experiment to see how it does powering the LR channels via the pre-out of the Denon. Both are rca cables so should be fairly easy. The smaller one isn't doing anything, a little too small though, it's a 1980 Luxman L450 (55w/ch x 2 8ohms). Owned both from new, I've had them tested and cleaned with some minor cap work on the M120a, both still work well within tolerances.

 

[PENG]

Yes vintage 1981 Luxman Pre-amp C120A and Power Amp M120A (120w/ch x 2 8ohms, 300w/ch mono). I currently use it with the Turntable. For fun is suppose I could experiment to see how it does powering the LR channels via the pre-out of the Denon. Both are rca cables so should be fairly easy. The smaller one isn't doing anything, a little too small though, it's a 1980 Luxman L450 (55w/ch x 2 8ohms). Owned both from new, I've had them tested and cleaned with some minor cap work on the M120a, both still work well within tolerances.

I took a look of the service manual and based on what I saw, it will be comparable but no better than the Denon in terms of the audio specs that matter most to SQ. That's quite good, consider that it is a very vintage, >40 years old power amplifier.

 

[marmoser7]

I just ordered the new Denon AVR-X6700H but need advice on how to connect my system. I will be using all 13 channels. Currently, on my Yamaha 3060 I have the fronts bi-amped and an Emotiva bas-x 5 channel amp handling the two sets of ceiling speakers. This is how I think I should connect them on the Denon - bi-amp the fronts using the front and height 3 channels and use the Emotiva to connect the ceiling speakers to the height 1 and 2 channels. That seems logical but I can't find an amp assign mode that matches that setup in the manual which I'm finding to be confusing. Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks.

I have purchased the 6700H and have found exactly the limitation you are referring to.
For the 6700H, turning on the pre-amplifier only mode will effectively disable onboard speaker outputs. if you don't set it, and connect both pre-amp cable and speaker terminals - the pre-amp output will only provide 1.44V (not enough to feed external amplifiers). The only option would be to set channel selection to 13.1 and use 1 external amplifier for additional height or front wide channels. If you are using a 5.1 configuration, then other onboard amplifiers could be used to bi-amp all 3 front channels. (Using the Denon only- NOT an external amplifier)
I could have kicked myself - because the more expensive X8500H allows onboard 13 channel amplifiers to be turned off individually.
What this means in essence - If you wanted to bi-amp ALL front speakers properly AND use a full 13.1 channel setup - you would most likely require 2 External multi-channel- amps (6 for the fronts) and (8 for the rest of the surround and height channels) ~ a total of 28 cable connections or 2 full high powered 7 channel amplifiers BESIDES the Denon (Acting as pre-amp) Not cool....and unnecessary.
In a nutshell, shell out more for a Denon X8500H or wait for an alternative from Onkyo, Marantz or just turn to Emotiva. You may be spending more money turning an-all-in-one into a complete separates setup instead of the blended setup that you had before on the Yamaha.

 

[lovinthehd]

I have purchased the 6700H and have found exactly the limitation you are referring to.
For the 6700H, turning on the pre-amplifier only mode will effectively disable onboard speaker outputs. if you don't set it, and connect both pre-amp cable and speaker terminals - the pre-amp output will only provide 1.44V (not enough to feed external amplifiers). The only option would be to set channel selection to 13.1 and use 1 external amplifier for additional height or front wide channels. If you are using a 5.1 configuration, then other onboard amplifiers could be used to bi-amp all 3 front channels. (Using the Denon only- NOT an external amplifier)
I could have kicked myself - because the more expensive X8500H allows onboard 13 channel amplifiers to be turned off individually.
What this means in essence - If you wanted to bi-amp ALL front speakers properly AND use a full 13.1 channel setup - you would most likely require 2 External multi-channel- amps (6 for the fronts) and (8 for the rest of the surround and height channels) ~ a total of 28 cable connections or 2 full high powered 7 channel amplifiers BESIDES the Denon (Acting as pre-amp) Not cool....and unnecessary.
In a nutshell, shell out more for a Denon X8500H or wait for an alternative from Onkyo, Marantz or just turn to Emotiva. You may be spending more money turning an-all-in-one into a complete separates setup instead of the blended setup that you had before on the Yamaha.

Where did you get the limit of 1.44V output from? 1.44V is fine for many amps, tho.

 

[marmoser7]

Denon AVR-X6700H 11.2-channel A/V Receiver Review

Performance Features Ergonomics Value

www.soundandvision.com

I quote from their article. :"According to Denon, when Pre-amplifier Mode is engaged the receiver's preamp outputs can provide up to 4.8Vrms—more than enough to drive any outboard amplifier to full power. If you use the preamp outputs (which are always active) with their internal amps still connected, they will be limited to as little as 1.44Vrms, which is not enough to drive some external amps to maximum power. A third option would have been nice: disconnect only the three front internal amps to allow the use of external power for the critical LCR front channels, letting the other internal amps handle the surround and overhead effects speakers. (The only Denon AVR to offer full on/off control over each separate channel's individual amp is the AVR-X8500H.) "

I have not tested this - anyone up for the challenge with one of these to measure output with RCA cable connected with internal amp enabled