minimum wage

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Like that's some kind of badge of honor . take someone else's money and start a business.. bite me on that presumption...... I really don't need your advice on life choices..how the fuc would you know what my life choices are???.. I'm not on here whining I'm using my own experiences as examples of how things are for people in poverty .. I'm sorry it offends your snowflake senses of morality and reality... I'd be happy to hear your opinions in person sometime.. But until you have the guts to say your piece face to face .. Keep you're opinions about me to yourself.. Seems fair huh...

You, apparently, don't know that a business can be started with very little money because your attitude toward business prevents it. You're the snowflake- I'm not the one who says they can't get a job but can walk three miles but I will definitely acknowledge that sitting for long periods sucks.

That was less an opinion and more a nudge toward something. I don't know your life choices anymore than you know mine, but we all make our lives into something and even without money, it can become better through creativity and motivation. How do people come to the US from other countries without even speaking the language, get a job, put their kids through school, buy a house and start a business? It happens very often.

 

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Never heard anything that you are talking about.

Also:
Denmark (or your favorite Scandinavian country) is a prime example that socialism works. The reality is, Denmark has a free-market economy that produces the goods and services that the government then heavily taxes to finance an extensive welfare state.
Despite American socialists' claims, Denmark's prime minister once told a shocked Washington, D.C., audience: "I would like to make one thing clear ... Denmark is a market economy." The nation actually has a great deal of economic freedom with few business regulations and no minimum wage (along with the other Scandinavian countries). Like Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Norway all rely on free-market capitalism to finance their expansive welfare systems.

One thing to remember about Norway- they own the oil industry, generate most of their energy using hydroelectric generators and are one of the largest oil exporters

The profits aren't paid to CEOs, shareholders and lobbyists. In fact, they own many corporations-

List of government enterprises of Norway - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

OTOH, the population of the whole country is less than that of Wisconsin.

 

[Trell]

One thing to remember about Norway- they own the oil industry, generate most of their energy using hydroelectric generators and are one of the largest oil exporters

The profits aren't paid to CEOs, shareholders and lobbyists. In fact, they own many corporations-

List of government enterprises of Norway - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

OTOH, the population of the whole country is less than that of Wisconsin.

Norway have managed their oil resources very well so that most of the profits flows back to the state via taxes and employment, and that oil revenues are invested abroad with strict guidelines how much to use domestically. One should note that fish export is also quite a bit of value.

There are numerous examples of countries with lots of oil and gas that has not fared so well.

Of the Nordic countries Sweden does not have any oil or gas, nor does Finland or Iceland. Denmark has some oil but far less than Norway. All of them are pretty good countries to live in with universal health care and generally good living standards. They are also democratic and have none of that US voter suppression poop.

 

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Ah yes, Norway, the country of my ancestors. King of the fjords. King of fossil fuel hypocrisy. They wear the banner of a 'green' society. "Look at all our electric cars" Then when no one is looking, they turn around and sell tons of oil and gas to other countries and don't care at all of how it's being used as long as there's money flowing in at the end of the day.

 

[Trell]

Ah yes, Norway, the country of my ancestors. King of the fjords. King of fossil fuel hypocrisy. They wear the banner of a 'green' society. "Look at all our electric cars" Then when no one is looking, they turn around and sell tons of oil and gas to other countries and don't care at all of how it's being used as long as there's money flowing in at the end of the day.

Norwegians are quite aware of the major income source of their new-found oil wealth and does not stick their collective heads in the sand like some dinosaurs on this forum I could mention when it comes to new cleaner energy sources. As @highfigh wrote hydroelectric power is the major source of powering and heating, so naturally it makes sense to use that for charging batteries- There is also regulations for more energy efficient houses, electrical equipment, etc, like in the rest Europe, but in US too much is hold back by reactionary old men (Green Deal, anyone?)

 

[cpp]

You're right not worth an answer , mostly because you think you're " the smart guy" in the discussion.. But strangely actual political workings and economic #s have no use to you. Tough to make a coherent point that way ...

Your comment supports your child like nature.

 

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Norway have managed their oil resources very well so that most of the profits flows back to the state via taxes and employment, and that oil revenues are invested abroad with strict guidelines how much to use domestically. One should note that fish export is also quite a bit of value.

There are numerous examples of countries with lots of oil and gas that has not fared so well.

Of the Nordic countries Sweden does not have any oil or gas, nor does Finland or Iceland. Denmark has some oil but far less than Norway. All of them are pretty good countries to live in with universal health care and generally good living standards. They are also democratic and have none of that US voter suppression poop.

I'm not saying it doesn't work, I was making the info known because it's important when someone either doesn't know or ignores it for the purposes of one side of an argument. Kind of like the "The US should be more like Sweden" when the Sweden they refer to was 40 years ago. Using their argument, the US should be the way it was in the past, in many ways- life was much better before we had to worry about being mugged, our houses burgled, cars and other items stolen, killed by someone running from the Police, etc. In other ways, we still have a long way to go.

 

[Trell]

I'm not saying it doesn't work, I was making the info known because it's important when someone either doesn't know or ignores it for the purposes of one side of an argument. Kind of like the "The US should be more like Sweden" when the Sweden they refer to was 40 years ago. Using their argument, the US should be the way it was in the past, in many ways- life was much better before we had to worry about being mugged, our houses burgled, cars and other items stolen, killed by someone running from the Police, etc. In other ways, we still have a long way to go.

In Sweden, today, we have venture capital companies owning majority/large minority in stock exchange listed companies running schools whose ONLY income is tax payer money.

Suck on that one while contemplating the Zen of Socialism

 

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Norwegians are quite aware of the major income source of their new-found oil wealth and does not stick their collective heads in the sand like some dinosaurs on this forum I could mention when it comes to new cleaner energy sources. As @highfigh wrote hydroelectric power is the major source of powering and heating, so naturally it makes sense to use that for charging batteries- There is also regulations for more energy efficient houses, electrical equipment, etc, like in the rest Europe, but in US too much is hold back by reactionary old men (Green Deal, anyone?)

Using hydro and exporting a large amount of oil makes a lot of sense, as long as hydro costs the same or less than they bring in from the exports. Sure, they could discount the cost to themselves, but why use what you can sell?

The issue of scale is something you're not considering- a country this large can't turn on a dime, especially when more than 50% of adults pay no income tax. While it can be argued that some people make too much money, many of the ones who complain the loudest have made a bundle in their retirement accounts because of the corporations that pay their CEOs "too much".

Look AOC's plan- it won't/can't work. It seems that nobody who wants the GND wants to see China as a major polluter. Yes, the have reduced some emissions, but they still dump a lot of pollutants into the environment. If the World is going to reduce pollution, trading carbon credits needs to stop.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

The Trell Oil Company of Norway*

We will sell you the oil, what you do with it, we don't care. We are not responsible for the emissions it produces when it is burned.

*The Trell Oil Company is not responsible for any greenhouse gas emissions that are produced by the sale of our oil in any countries where they occur.

 

[lp85253]

Your comment supports your child like nature.

well , i'm sure there are literally hundreds of phd's out there chomping at the bit bit to get your thoughts on the inner workings of people you spent entire seconds conversing with on a hobby site... i'll leave you to it.. edit: when you actually get an idea beyond anecdotal b.s. you care to share, please feel free to enlighten us further .. so far your entire contribution to the talk has been.."i've been to cuba and algeria".. that hardly qualifies you as an expert on the social democracies of europe now does it? i think this is your cue to exit... buh bye...

 

[cpp]

well , i'm sure there are literally hundreds of phd's out there chomping at the bit bit to get your thoughts on the inner workings of people you spent entire seconds conversing with on a hobby site... i'll leave you to it..

Again childlike response, Keep going, your doing fine. Maybe you are the one that really need some physiological help.

 

[lp85253]

Again childlike response, Keep going, your doing fine. Maybe you are the one that really need some physiological help.

maybe ... maybe not.. i wonder why your entire interaction with me has been to insult , but yet you have nothing but anecdotal thoughts on anything pertaining to the subject ...edit: i wonder what type of asswipe gets his kicks trolling people on hobby sights with the intention of upsetting them then bragging about it on an open forum.. well you've just settled that issue.. we now know...

 

[Trell]

Using hydro and exporting a large amount of oil makes a lot of sense, as long as hydro costs the same or less than they bring in from the exports. Sure, they could discount the cost to themselves, but why use what you can sell?

While many think about Norway as narrow awesome fjords surrounded by majestic snow-tipped mountains (yeah, I could go on ), it also gave cheap access to hydroelectricity and transportation by boat. For more inland parts of Norway (i.e. no direct access to sea) the electricity generated was and IS a huge boon.

The issue of scale is something you're not considering- a country this large can't turn on a dime, especially when more than 50% of adults pay no income tax.

Off course a large country like USA can not turn on a dime, but then I never claimed that, have I?

...
Look AOC's plan- it won't/can't work.

Which parts?

It seems that nobody who wants the GND wants to see China as a major polluter. Yes, the have reduced some emissions, but they still dump a lot of pollutants into the environment. If the World is going to reduce pollution, trading carbon credits needs to stop.

I'm an atheist, but Praise to the Lord that USA have someone sensible in the White House, along with majority (however slim) in House and Senate.

 

[Trell]

The Trell Oil Company of Norway*

We will sell you the oil, what you do with it, we don't care. We are not responsible for the emissions it produces when it is burned.

*The Trell Oil Company is not responsible for any greenhouse gas emissions that are produced by the sale of our oil in any countries where they occur.

This is just a really weird response.

 

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In Sweden, today, we have venture capital companies owning majority/large minority in stock exchange listed companies running schools whose ONLY income is tax payer money.

Suck on that one while contemplating the Zen of Socialism

Why do I need to suck on that one? That would be a good way to pay for education but before you tell me to suck on something, suck on this-

U.S. students' academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries

U.S. students continue to rank near the middle, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international math, science and reading assessments.

www.pewresearch.org

The reason isn't a lack of money, it's the lack of interest by students in staying in school, graduating and getting a damn job so they can support themselves, rather than become a drain on the rest of the country. To be fair, the education system needs to be changed- teaching students useful information that will result in them becoming employable is where they should concentrate- NOT gender studies, basket weaving and other BS degrees that makes them useless. I have absolutely no problem if someone wants to study about anything that could be considered a 'fringe' topic but they should do it on their own time.

The way colleges are operating, it's a scam for far too many people- they were told they could expect to get a good job when their fields of study are just about worthless. The price of college has risen to the point of being unsustainable- without financial aid, they're like criminal money-lenders. I have written about someone who was extremely PO'd after realizing that she wouldn't likely get a decent job after majoring in 'Painting and Drawing'. That was the name for her major. She was very good at it, but without a market, she was sold on a dream, not reality.

Many degrees pay well, but some aren't suited for them- a bad Math student is unlikely to become an engineer, scientist, etc and someone who has no grasp of language isn't going to be a writer, lawyer, teacher of anything that has to do with language, although they may be a perfect fit for some kind of technical field in the trades. That is, if they know which end of a screwdriver to pound on. If someone can use tools and is interested in the trades, they should receive the info they need to make the decision about heading that way/or not, but ending shop programs in the US has left the country with a severe shortage of people who can do those jobs- they can make a great living, too.

I have also posted about some of the bad aspects of Milwaukee- the school system isn't doing as well as it needs to, but the budget isn't the cause- last year, it was $1.25B for 76K students. Check out the performance-

Education Data Release: More Wisconsin High School Students Graduating in Four Years, but Proficiency Rates Down Slightly | MacIver Institute

www.maciverinstitute.com

It would be great to be able to wake up one day with our problems solved, but that's not going to happen any time soon. Too many people place money and things as their goals in life.

 

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While many think about Norway as narrow awesome fjords surrounded by majestic snow-tipped mountains (yeah, I could go on ), it also gave cheap access to hydroelectricity and transportation by boat. For more inland parts of Norway (i.e. no direct access to sea) the electricity generated was and IS a huge boon.

Off course a large country like USA can not turn on a dime, but then I never claimed that, have I?

Which parts?

I'm an atheist, but Praise to the Lord that USA have someone sensible in the White House, along with majority (however slim) in House and Senate.

You really need to listen to Biden, over time. Sure, people can change, but he isn't the 'Good Ol' Joe' people see in him.

Read comments over the internet- people from outside constantly tell us that "the US needs to change now"- well, now doesn't work when so much inertia exists.

Which parts? Any of her goals WRT emissions. She acts like wind and solar power are free. Sure, the energy are free, but being able to use them require, golly, fossil fuels.

 

[Trell]

Why do I need to suck on that one? That would be a good way to pay for education but before you tell me to suck on something, suck on this-

U.S. students' academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries

U.S. students continue to rank near the middle, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international math, science and reading assessments.

www.pewresearch.org

The reason isn't a lack of money, it's the lack of interest by students in staying in school, graduating and getting a damn job so they can support themselves, rather than become a drain on the rest of the country. To be fair, the education system needs to be changed- teaching students useful information that will result in them becoming employable is where they should concentrate- NOT gender studies, basket weaving and other BS degrees that makes them useless. I have absolutely no problem if someone wants to study about anything that could be considered a 'fringe' topic but they should do it on their own time.

The way colleges are operating, it's a scam for far too many people- they were told they could expect to get a good job when their fields of study are just about worthless. The price of college has risen to the point of being unsustainable- without financial aid, they're like criminal money-lenders. I have written about someone who was extremely PO'd after realizing that she wouldn't likely get a decent job after majoring in 'Painting and Drawing'. That was the name for her major. She was very good at it, but without a market, she was sold on a dream, not reality.

Many degrees pay well, but some aren't suited for them- a bad Math student is unlikely to become an engineer, scientist, etc and someone who has no grasp of language isn't going to be a writer, lawyer, teacher of anything that has to do with language, although they may be a perfect fit for some kind of technical field in the trades. That is, if they know which end of a screwdriver to pound on. If someone can use tools and is interested in the trades, they should receive the info they need to make the decision about heading that way/or not, but ending shop programs in the US has left the country with a severe shortage of people who can do those jobs- they can make a great living, too.

I have also posted about some of the bad aspects of Milwaukee- the school system isn't doing as well as it needs to, but the budget isn't the cause- last year, it was $1.25B for 76K students. Check out the performance-

Education Data Release: More Wisconsin High School Students Graduating in Four Years, but Proficiency Rates Down Slightly | MacIver Institute

www.maciverinstitute.com

It would be great to be able to wake up one day with our problems solved, but that's not going to happen any time soon. Too many people place money and things as their goals in life.

My reply was to your comment that some are about 40 years off with regards to what Sweden is today, nothing more. I agree wholeheartedly!

The Nordic countries adopted the free market dogmas many decades ago.

 

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entirely speculative right wing rhetoric... you've reduced your thoughts to Tucker Carlson talking points? wow... you *ARE* smarter than that and we both know it... smh...

Done with you. Screw your Tucker Carlson comments- I have made my thoughts clear, on him and others like him.

If you want to sit there and feel sorry for yourself, go nuts. There's always someone worse off- either accept that or don't, it's your choice. You can walk, many can't. You can see, many can't. You can use your arms, mind, you can speak, hear, etc- what if you were a paraplegic (or worse)?

You want to bitch about businesses, yet don't seem to understand that many start as just an idea. Once someone comes up with even a basic business plan and presents it, someone comes along and wants to invest in it because they think it's viable. Those people are often called 'angel investors' and in reality, it could bet off the ground with zero financial expense on your part.

Or, maybe you could get a job complaining about things and pointing fingers. One can only hope.

 

[Trell]

You really need to listen to Biden, over time. Sure, people can change, but he isn't the 'Good Ol' Joe' people see in him.

Read comments over the internet- people from outside constantly tell us that "the US needs to change now"- well, now doesn't work when so much inertia exists.

Which parts? Any of her goals WRT emissions. She acts like wind and solar power are free. Sure, the energy are free, but being able to use them require, golly, fossil fuels.

What she wants is largely what is being implemented in EU.

US increase of wind and solar usage has been absolutely incredible the last decade or so, and with profit too booth. Even the US car industry have seen the writings on the wall!