SVS dual sub question

[ciotime]

I recently got a PB1000 after selling both of my old Paradigm PDR subs. I was only able to get 1 coz there's no available stock as of the moment in my country. Earliest would be March. Anyway the PB-2000 Pro is available. Should I get it instead to go with the PB1000 or would it be better to just wait? I know it'll be harder to integrate them being that they're different subs. For a dedicated HT room. It's for mainly movies. Thanks.

 

[Old Onkyo]

Uhh....if you get the PB 2000 pro, you are going to want two of them.
trust me. I know.

 

[ciotime]

Uhh....if you get the PB 2000 pro, you are going to want two of them.
trust me. I know.

I know But I already got the PB1000. Also in my country the PB2000 pro is WAY more expensive...like about $1400 compared to only $900 there. Even the PB1000 is about $700 here.

 

[Montucky]

They'll integrate just fine. Don't overthink it. Just dial them in to even them out. I would definitely not mind throwing in the PB-2000 into the mix. You can get them to blend fine and the 2000 won't even be working hard at all since it'll be throttled down a bit which might help its longevity.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I would go for two of the same. The 2000 and 1000 are totally different in capability, and tuning. That means integration will take a great deal of time and frustration. Since the tunings are different, they will tend to cancel each other more than compliment, and on top of that, the pb1000 can’t even get close to the same output or extension.
I’ve seen this same question before answered by Ed Mullen.(technical director at SVS) Give him a shout. edmullen@svsound.com (I think that’s right). He’s very friendly and knowledgeable, and is very quick to help forum members.

 

[ciotime]

On a related note do I still need to go duals? I'm asking coz after using REW and applying EQ+MultiEQ XT32 I was able to get a flat response from 90Hz-15Hz just using the single PB1000.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

On a related note do I still need to go duals? I'm asking coz after using REW and applying EQ+MultiEQ XT32 I was able to get a flat response from 90Hz-15Hz just using the single PB1000.

Well if it’s actually flat, and you only care anyone seat the maybe not.
If you’re serious about buying a pb2000, it’s a big step up from the 1000.

 

[ciotime]

I would go for two of the same. The 2000 and 1000 are totally different in capability, and tuning. That means integration will take a great deal of time and frustration. Since the tunings are different, they will tend to cancel each other more than compliment, and on top of that, the pb1000 can’t even get close to the same output or extension.
I’ve seen this same question before answered by Ed Mullen.(technical director at SVS) Give him a shout. edmullen@svsound.com (I think that’s right). He’s very friendly and knowledgeable, and is very quick to help forum members.

A dealer/friend of mine told me that the new PB1000 PRO will be coming out next month. Either I get another PB1000 or wait for the new PRO version. Also will having the pro and non pro versions of the PB1000 work? Apart from minor differences I guess they both have the same capabilities/tuning etc.

 

[ciotime]

Well if it’s actually flat, and you only care anyone seat the maybe not.
If you’re serious about buying a pb2000, it’s a big step up from the 1000.

I actually took measurements on 3 different locations and they re all relatively flat. The response initially had peaks at around the 40hz and 60hz area but after applying EQ tru the miniDSP along with the Audyssey app I was able to get it flat from 90hz to 15 hz.

 

[nathan_h]

I actually took measurements on 3 different locations and they re all relatively flat. The response initially had peaks at around the 40hz and 60hz area but after applying EQ tru the miniDSP along with the Audyssey app I was able to get it flat from 90hz to 15 hz.

It’s unusual that multiple seats can all measure flat when using a single sub — and being flat above 90 but not below isn’t really flat since the sub is doing most of its work below 90.

You can easily model what two subs that are identical do it a room versus mismatched subs, in REW, and see how much easier it is to get proper response when they are matched in output.

I would either get a second matching sub like you already have OR return it and get two matching subs of a different model.

 

[ciotime]

It’s unusual that multiple seats can all measure flat when using a single sub — and being flat above 90 but not below isn’t really flat since the sub is doing most of its work below 90.

You can easily model what two subs that are identical do it a room versus mismatched subs, in REW, and see how much easier it is to get proper response when they are matched in output.

I would either get a second matching sub like you already have OR return it and get two matching subs of a different model.

I re-checked and it's relatively flat from 60hz-20hz. It start's to go down at 63hz with crossover set at 80hz. Like I said earlier in my country there's a NO return policy unless the product is defective. I've decided to just keep the PB1000. Now wondering if there's an added benefit to getting another PB1000 after getting my results.

 

[ciotime]

 

[nathan_h]

That's a crazy good graph. If your important seats are getting that response, I would be very happy and worry about other things!

 

[ciotime]

That's a crazy good graph. If your important seats are getting that response, I would be very happy and worry about other things!

Thanks...I'm just curious what would happen if I add another sub.

 

[nathan_h]

Usually, the goal of a second sub is to create CONSISTENT response from seat to seat. If you only care about the primary seat then a second sub isn't usually helpful. If you have reasonable variation from seat to seat that you find acceptable with a single sub (unusual) then a second sub isn't necessary.

Your graph only shows ONE location. I don't know what the other seating locations look like nor whether you care about them. But if that was my response curve in the seat I care about, I would be very happy and move on.

 

[ciotime]

Usually, the goal of a second sub is to create CONSISTENT response from seat to seat. If you only care about the primary seat then a second sub isn't usually helpful. If you have reasonable variation from seat to seat that you find acceptable with a single sub (unusual) then a second sub isn't necessary.

Your graph only shows ONE location. I don't know what the other seating locations look like nor whether you care about them. But if that was my response curve in the seat I care about, I would be very happy and move on.

I didn't bother to save the other seats graphs anymore since they were all about the same. I'll try to take the measurement's again. I too was quite surprised with the results. Now I'm not sure anymore if I still need to get a second sub.

 

[nathan_h]

If you are happy with the response in the key seat(s), then a second sub is not very useful for improving response.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

That was kinda my point too. If it’s one seat that matters, then it’s perfectly fine to have a single as long as you take the time(as you are) to integrate it. Only thing I’d say is you could benefit from the 2000 series, but it seems they’re very expensive. Sit back and enjoy !!!
What I’m not sure of is the graph resolution and smoothing.

 

[ciotime]

That was kinda my point too. If it’s one seat that matters, then it’s perfectly fine to have a single as long as you take the time(as you are) to integrate it. Only thing I’d say is you could benefit from the 2000 series, but it seems they’re very expensive. Sit back and enjoy !!!
What I’m not sure of is the graph resolution and smoothing.

It's 1/6th smoothing.

 

[Montucky]

Great points, guys. Yeah, if things are measuring THAT good, I'd probably just call it a day and enjoy the existing sub. You might get more tactile response from a 2000, but your results are not bad at all. I'd maybe just chill for a bit. Respect.