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[Foxchapeliron]

I have BP 9080’s and an anthem A2 in a large concrete shop I do metal work in. 2 defiance x15’s and streaming tidal hi fi through a Marantz avr with HEOS. I want more of the sound, not more loud. I wanted to add 2 more BP 9080’s. How do I do this? I can trade in my A2 amp and the Marantz as it’s all fairly new, do people run double sets of towers? Can I wire them individually to my amp? I am ok getting a bigger amp for more money but trying to see if my idea is even worth chasing or is there a better way. I can’t place more speakers around the shop, the front is the only area that is safe, I love the sound I have but want more of it. Also is streaming hi fi via tidal and HEOS good quality or do I need to hook up a laptop and download higher quality? Sincerely, more money than brains

 

[shadyJ]

I have BP 9080’s and an anthem A2 in a large concrete shop I do metal work in. 2 defiance x15’s and streaming tidal hi fi through a Marantz avr with HEOS. I want more of the sound, not more loud. I wanted to add 2 more BP 9080’s. How do I do this? I can trade in my A2 amp and the Marantz as it’s all fairly new, do people run double sets of towers? Can I wire them individually to my amp? I am ok getting a bigger amp for more money but trying to see if my idea is even worth chasing or is there a better way. I can’t place more speakers around the shop, the front is the only area that is safe, I love the sound I have but want more of it. Also is streaming hi fi via tidal and HEOS good quality or do I need to hook up a laptop and download higher quality? Sincerely, more money than brains

I am not sure what you mean 'More of the sound' if you don't mean louder. Do you want better coverage, as in the sound is more even throughout the room?

 

[Foxchapeliron]

I am not sure what you mean 'More of the sound' if you don't mean louder. Do you want better coverage, as in the sound is more even throughout the room?

Well I guess I would say the sound shrinks a bit but is still amazingly clear. Looking to get more of that sound to fill the space but realize I’m probably needing more power. Probably want some more volume as well now that I think about it. The BP’s are impressive but I’m asking allot if you saw the environment. Anyway is it feasible to get good sound with a double set of speakers and can you wire them to an amp and assume you are at 4 ohm and the power is split between the two or do I go multichannel and can you play two sets in stereo on multichannel

 

[Foxchapeliron]

Well I guess I would say the sound shrinks a bit but is still amazingly clear. Looking to get more of that sound to fill the space but realize I’m probably needing more power. Probably want some more volume as well now that I think about it. The BP’s are impressive but I’m asking allot if you saw the environment. Anyway is it feasible to get good sound with a double set of speakers and can you wire them to an amp and assume you are at 4 ohm and the power is split between the two or do I go multichannel and can you play two sets in stereo on multichannel

If I’m completely off base with these ideas feel free to point me in a better direction. I was told by a guy to invest in 7k each speakers and the reviews I read on them were not impressive. I like the bp’s, realize they are not super high end but they suite my taste. Just want to fill the sound more within my limitations.

 

[mazersteven]

I was told by a guy to invest in 7k each speakers

#1 What speakers did he say to invest in?

#2 Kick that MoFo in the Ball for his Bad Advice. And then Kick him Again.

 

[Foxchapeliron]

#1 What speakers did he say to invest in?

#2 Kick that MoFo in the Ball for his Bad Advice. And then Kick him Again.

Triad platinums LCR

 

[Foxchapeliron]

#1 What speakers did he say to invest in?

#2 Kick that MoFo in the Ball for his Bad Advice. And then Kick him Again.

They sounded powerful but more for theater, not 2 channel clean audio. The write stated they were colorful like klipsch. Horns very much horns

 

[mazersteven]

Triad platinums LCR

As much as I love Triad the last thing I would do is spend that kind of money on those

 

[shadyJ]

Well I guess I would say the sound shrinks a bit but is still amazingly clear. Looking to get more of that sound to fill the space but realize I’m probably needing more power. Probably want some more volume as well now that I think about it. The BP’s are impressive but I’m asking allot if you saw the environment. Anyway is it feasible to get good sound with a double set of speakers and can you wire them to an amp and assume you are at 4 ohm and the power is split between the two or do I go multichannel and can you play two sets in stereo on multichannel

Those Deftech BP speakers are called bipole designs, and I am guessing that peculiar design is why you like them. They have an array of drivers on the rear that fires sound at the same time as the front array drivers. What that does is increase the amount of late reflections, so it is a speaker that may sound more spacious than traditional loudspeaker designs. Another speaker type that has a greater ratio of late reflections are omnipolar speakers.

I am not sure that getting another set will get you more of what you want. It may make the sound a bit more ambiguous. If I were you, I would think about turning the system into a surround sound system and using some upmixing to get sound to the surround speakers. That will still keep a focused stage but get you more sound around the shop. I would use another BP speaker as the center speaker, and I would get in-ceiling speakers or mountable bookshelf speakers or maybe pendant speakers as surrounds. You could go to a 5.1, 7.1, or 7.1.2 or some expanded system like that. The surrounds will mostly just add some ambience in a good upmix format, so they shouldn't obscure the sound of your Deftech BPs much. A lot of people really enjoy the Aurosound upmixer as well as the Dolby Atmos upmixer, so I would get a processor that supports those formats.

 

[Foxchapeliron]

Those Deftech BP speakers are called bipole designs, and I am guessing that peculiar design is why you like them. They have an array of drivers on the rear that fires sound at the same time as the front array drivers. What that does is increase the amount of late reflections, so it is a speaker that may sound more spacious than traditional loudspeaker designs. Another speaker type that has a greater ratio of late reflections are omnipolar speakers.

I am not sure that getting another set will get you more of what you want. It may make the sound a bit more ambiguous. If I were you, I would think about turning the system into a surround sound system and using some upmixing to get sound to the surround speakers. That will still keep a focused stage but get you more sound around the shop. I would use another BP speaker as the center speaker, and I would get in-ceiling speakers or mountable bookshelf speakers or maybe pendant speakers as surrounds. You could go to a 5.1, 7.1, or 7.1.2 or some expanded system like that. The surrounds will mostly just add some ambience in a good upmix format, so they shouldn't obscure the sound of your Deftech BPs much. A lot of people really enjoy the Aurosound upmixer as well as the Dolby Atmos upmixer, so I would get a processor that supports those formats.

Than you very much. I did have concerns that I may muddy my stage with another set of 9080s and having someone with knowledge confirm it will most likely happen helps so much. And avoids allot of costly mistakes! I’ll look into upmixing options!

 

[lovinthehd]

Can you mount speakers above the shop floor space, high up on walls etc? That's where all my speakers in my shop are, as I don't want them on the floor (except the subs, they're in spots that don't get in the way). I do use surround modes, it creates nice even coverage with a good front stage like shadyj mentioned. You already have the avr for it....

 

[Kingnoob]

As much as I love Triad the last thing I would do is spend that kind of money on those

Wow gotta be wealthy to afford those speakers ...... custom made
Probably not a good speaker for a work garage I’d make sure they don’t get any water damage ... HoW do they sound ?

Triad InRoom Platinum Speaker System

When I say, "horn loudspeaker," what do you think of first? Most longtime audiophiles immediately visualize big corner-mounted Klipsch K-Horns or Altec Lansing "Voice of the Theater" speakers. Although horn-mounted technology is not as common today as it was during the golden age of mono in the...

www.soundandvision.com

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[mazersteven]

Wow gotta be wealthy to afford those speakers ...... custom made
Probably not a good speaker for a work garage I’d make sure they don’t get any water damage ... HoW do they sound ?

I've never heard those from Triad. But have heard their In-Wall's. Excellent speakers.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Wow gotta be wealthy to afford those speakers

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Not necessarily. Did you you ever score a job? I know times are crazy af right now but jus wondering.

 

[Kingnoob]

Not necessarily. Did you you ever score a job? I know times are crazy af right now but jus wondering.

I may start looking again , no I applied to many desk jobs no luck . My knees are too bad for a standing job sadly , ...I’d much rather work then do nothing , and I could try and get disability but it literately is so little money .... like poverty trap not sure it’s worth it . Zzz
Like near impossible to survive on that ...

Government sure is cruel to those with injuries and such .

Even if I went back to college, there’s no jobs for graphic design . And I’m awful rusty with the programs , it could give me a higher chance of finding an unrelated job .
What the he’ll type of idea was that ? Debt trapped now

Being poor sucks I need to buy a new laptop to do applications if I want a job . Mine died
Could use my phone for most of Them.

It feels like the Great Depression x10 around me it’s like no good jobs for entry level.
With this covid carp bs wonder if any options for working at home exist ???
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[Foxchapeliron]

Can you mount speakers above the shop floor space, high up on walls etc? That's where all my speakers in my shop are, as I don't want them on the floor (except the subs, they're in spots that don't get in the way). I do use surround modes, it creates nice even coverage with a good front stage like shadyj mentioned. You already have the avr for it....

Well here is my question, with doing pre outs to the anthem for 9080’s I can still hook surrounds and a center to the 7013 Marantz and it’s still gonna play all o them? I’m that naive. Just don’t know how the 7013 behaves. I run pure direct for now steaming HEOS to tidal hi res. I it plays them all I guess I can make speaker level adjustments then?

 

[lovinthehd]

Well here is my question, with doing pre outs to the anthem for 9080’s I can still hook surrounds and a center to the 7013 Marantz and it’s still gonna play all o them? I’m that naive. Just don’t know how the 7013 behaves. I run pure direct for now steaming HEOS to tidal hi res. I it plays them all I guess I can make speaker level adjustments then?

The 7013 can handle that speaker set, sure. Assume you run the sub pre-outs to the powered woofers in the DT speakers, or ?

Channels are adjustable for both level and delay as needed in the avr.

 

[pcosmic]

I have BP 9080’s and an anthem A2 in a large concrete shop I do metal work in. 2 defiance x15’s and streaming tidal hi fi through a Marantz avr with HEOS. I want more of the sound, not more loud. I wanted to add 2 more BP 9080’s. How do I do this? I can trade in my A2 amp and the Marantz as it’s all fairly new, do people run double sets of towers? Can I wire them individually to my amp? I am ok getting a bigger amp for more money but trying to see if my idea is even worth chasing or is there a better way. I can’t place more speakers around the shop, the front is the only area that is safe, I love the sound I have but want more of it. Also is streaming hi fi via tidal and HEOS good quality or do I need to hook up a laptop and download higher quality? Sincerely, more money than brains

I know EXACTLY what you mean by "more of the sound"...Oh yeah.... I read you like a book

What you need my friend is the MULTICHANNEL STEREO SETTING on your receiver. There are a couple of dedicated threads on a different forum that gets into vast amounts of technical detail on it, if i remember (invokes the Floyd Toole book, etc). But, keep it simple for now. You can get 2 more of your speakers and this setting sends the same stereo signal to all....You will feel like you are enveloped & immersed....more of everything...oh yeah

Stereo doesn't cut it for everyone's mood at all times. That's why other multichannel music modes were invented. I, for one don't always want my musicians upfront on a front stage fiddling away quietly....I want my musician minions to circle me, envelope me...come at me from all directions....all directions for ME, THE EMPEROR!!

 

[Foxchapeliron]

I know EXACTLY what you mean by "more of the sound"...Oh yeah.... I read you like a book

What you need my friend is the MULTICHANNEL STEREO SETTING on your receiver. There are a couple of dedicated threads on a different forum that gets into vast amounts of technical detail on it, if i remember (invokes the Floyd Toole book, etc). But, keep it simple for now. You can get 2 more of your speakers and this setting sends the same stereo signal to all....You will feel like you are enveloped & immersed....more of everything...oh yeah

Stereo doesn't cut it for everyone's mood at all times. That's why other multichannel music modes were invented. I, for one don't always want my musicians upfront on a front stage fiddling away quietly....I want my musician minions to circle me, envelope me...come at me from all directions....all directions for ME, THE EMPEROR!!

Well part of my conundrum is I’m running these preamp to an Anthem amp. So let me ask this. If I buy two more, would separate them from the other speakers to get spread, can I hook two towers via their own cable runs to the amp? Theoretically going from 8ohm to four ohm and losing some horsepower but I already have plenty. Will that kill an amp? Is it not advised?

 

[Foxchapeliron]

Well part of my conundrum is I’m running these preamp to an Anthem amp. So let me ask this. If I buy two more, would separate them from the other speakers to get spread, can I hook two towers via their own cable runs to the amp? Theoretically going from 8ohm to four ohm and losing some horsepower but I already have plenty. Will that kill an amp? Is it not advised?

It will do 4ohm loads with less power, just never heard of someone hooking two towers with two sets of cables to the same binding post