New Guy With Questions

[jesse_sanders]

Hello all.

Over the last year I've been finishing a room in my basement for home theater and video games. The room measures 14' wide and 28' deep. My receiver is a Denon AVR-X2500H I have two Klipsch R-112SW subs, two Klipsch R820f's andthe center channel is an old Definitive Technology speaker I got in a home theater package from Crutchfield years ago. My left and right surrounds are some Bose speakers that swivel and my back surround right and left are Definitive Technology speakers from the before mentioned package.

I ramble sometimes so I'll try to keep this short. The issue I have run into is regarding bass. When I initially hooked the towers up I put them in the corners of the room and had the subs on either side of the entertainment center. I ran the audyssey calibration and was blown away with the performance of the subs. I actually turned the bass settings all the way down on the Denon because it was just too much. But I was left with bass perfection IMO. After reading some I learned the towers and the subs needed to switch places. I did so and reran the calibration. Now the bass output is extremely lacking. I tried adjusting settings on my own but it just makes the subs distort. I'm kind of heart broken lol

So what am I missing? Please let me know what other information is needed.

Also, I'm saving for a Klipsch R34C center channel. Should I wait until I have that hooked up before I keep chasing this problem?

Thanks fellas

 

[Leemix]

Switch back again if that was much better.


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[Leemix]

Its very hard to know where things will sound the best until its been tried so if you have already found a great sounding placement on subs and speakers you are lucky.


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[CajunLB]

If the first position sounds better there’s nothing wrong with that position.

 

[lovinthehd]

Corner placement would tend to emphasize/reinforce the bass....but just what settings did you turn down in the Denon? Agree with the others, if preferable the other way, then go back. How did you choose placement of the subs originally, just aesthetics? Did you do a sub crawl ?

 

[jesse_sanders]

I'm sorry for not answering immediately. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow for everyones answers. I thought speaker placement (with the exception of subs) was gospel and had to be obeyed.

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[jesse_sanders]

Alrighty. To answer questions.

I have not switched the speakers back to how they were originally. Could they really make that large of an impact?

I have not done a sub crawl. The longest RCA's I have are 12' and the room is laid out weird. If I can draw it out it a manner that suits me I'll post a picture.

The settings I turned down are the ones in the picture.

I also attached a picture of the distances just in case that might be a flag I'm missing.

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[Leemix]

It doesnt look like you have ran the auto setup. You really should because speaker levels will never ever be the same for every speaker in a home environment.

If you dont have an auto setup (fairly sure your AVR does have) then use a decibel meter or an app at least and get your levels fairly correct.


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[PENG]

It doesnt look like you have ran the auto setup. You really should because speaker levels will never ever be the same for every speaker in a home environment.

If you dont have an auto setup (fairly sure your AVR does have) then use a decibel meter or an app at least and get your levels fairly correct.


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Just an aside, this is a good example of how and why there are always people complain about Audyssey making things worse. While they may be cases Audyssey would/could make things "worse" but I bet in many cases it could be due to users not following instructions for whatever reasons. Now it is also possible the OP did do it right, and the screenshots he posted might not reflect the settings in use, or they are but only after he had made manual adjustments, or he pressed "reset" accidentally? (the distance screen does indicate he had run auto setup).

 

[Leemix]

Just an aside, this is a good example of how and why there are always people complain about Audyssey making things worse. While they may be cases Audyssey would/could make things "worse" but I bet in many cases it could be due to users not following instructions for whatever reasons. Now it is also possible the OP did do it right, and the screenshots he posted might not reflect the settings in use, or they are but only after he had made manual adjustments, or he pressed "reset" accidentally? (the distance screen does indicate he had run auto setup).

Possible yes, i just assumed he manually entered the distances, many seem to do that but not do the rest. In any case running the auto setup should help.


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[jesse_sanders]

I'm not sure if you're calling audessey "auto setup" but that is indeed what I did. Several times. I think it had me measure eight different listening positions and then asked about some equalization options.

I'll note too, this is a basement that is in the process of me finishing. The ceilings are insulated, as are the walls. There is drywall on the walls and the floors are still concrete. I know this wouldn't cause the current issue.

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[jesse_sanders]

In reference to the picture where all the levels are the same, that is just one setting where levels can be adjusted. When I get to the house I'll post a picture of what the system selected the levels to be.

Sorry for the confusion.

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[Leemix]

In reference to the picture where all the levels are the same, that is just one setting where levels can be adjusted. When I get to the house I'll post a picture of what the system selected the levels to be.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Ah, ok so its not a finished room yet.


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[Leemix]

I'm not sure if you're calling audessey "auto setup" but that is indeed what I did. Several times. I think it had me measure eight different listening positions and then asked about some equalization options.

I'll note too, this is a basement that is in the process of me finishing. The ceilings are insulated, as are the walls. There is drywall on the walls and the floors are still concrete. I know this wouldn't cause the current issue.

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I call it auto setup yes because Audyssey is a part of it and not the whole thing. (Even if the app is used)


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[jesse_sanders]

Ah, ok so its not a finished room yet.


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Yes sir. Unfinished room. Attached is the adjustments the auto setup made.

If I copy these levels and adjust the subs to 0 instead of -5.5 would that net me what I'm after? The problem is I don't know what they were when I was happy with their performance.

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[Leemix]

Yes sir. Unfinished room. Attached is the adjustments the auto setup made.

If I copy these levels and adjust the subs to 0 instead of -5.5 would that net me what I'm after? The problem is I don't know what they were when I was happy with their performance.

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Might be good to do a quick auto setup again. And also good to have pictures of old so you can change back if needed or just see whats changed and how you like or dislike something.


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[lovinthehd]

Yes sir. Unfinished room. Attached is the adjustments the auto setup made.

If I copy these levels and adjust the subs to 0 instead of -5.5 would that net me what I'm after? The problem is I don't know what they were when I was happy with their performance.

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Those look like realistic level settings (as opposed to 0 trim on all). A 5.5dB boost on the sub is a bit much IMO but not unknown....many raise the sub level some after running Audyssey, tho. Are speakers set to small? You're not mistaking LPF of LFE for a sub "crossover"?

 

[jesse_sanders]

Those look like realistic level settings (as opposed to 0 trim on all). A 5.5dB boost on the sub is a bit much IMO but not unknown....many raise the sub level some after running Audyssey, tho. Are speakers set to small? You're not mistaking LPF of LFE for a sub "crossover"?

Whenever I first hooked up the towers and they were in the corners I changed the front speakers to large and ran the audessey. After running the audessey the subs weren't working. I figured out I had to change a setting from LFE to LFE + FRONT or something like that. That is when the subs were absolutely perfect. I've tried recreating the screnaio with no luck.

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[lovinthehd]

Whenever I first hooked up the towers and they were in the corners I changed the front speakers to large and ran the audessey. After running the audessey the subs weren't working. I figured out I had to change a setting from LFE to LFE + FRONT or something like that. That is when the subs were absolutely perfect. I've tried recreating the screnaio with no luck.

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Not sure what you mean the subs weren't working....you mean they were at a lower level than you prefer or were they somehow "off"? Was this with multich content like a 5.1 movie or 2ch music? What sound modes do you use?

LFE+Main is a way to keep speakers set to large and still have some redirected bass from the L/R speakers, a double bass of sorts. Some do like this but I'd suggest setting all speakers to small, just using the LFE setting, and start with a crossover of 80hz as a starting point.

 

[jesse_sanders]

Not sure what you mean the subs weren't working....you mean they were at a lower level than you prefer or were they somehow "off"? Was this with multich content like a 5.1 movie or 2ch music? LFE+Main is a way to keep speakers set to large and still have some redirected bass from the L/R speakers, a double bass of sorts. Some do like this but I'd suggest setting all speakers to small, just using the LFE setting, and start with a crossover of 80hz as a starting point.

They had power but it's like they weren't getting a signal. After I changed the setting to LFE+Main is when I was happy with them. This was with movies and music regardless of 5.1 or if it was set to stereo. When I moved the towers from the corners of the room to next to the TV and put the subs in the corners and reran the audessey is when my lack of bass began.

If I remember right the crossover is set to 120hz I think?
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