signal loss from long HDMI. Need Help

[JFat1202]

I have an Epson 5040 and Onkyo NR646 running my home theater. When running 4k games or some 4k movies, the picture blacks out and displays HDMI Source not found. I can still hear the audio. I have this running on a 50ft HDMI cable and understand this is likely the issue. The way the room was built, this is the needed distance. I have replaced the HDMI cable 3 times now and still happens. Currently using this one below. It is sporadic and frustrating. Would moving to a fiber optic HDMI eliminate this? Any other ideas? I need help before adding to the pile of unused cables

Monoprice 4K High Speed HDMI Cable 50ft - CL2 In Wall Rated 18Gbps Active Black - Monoprice.com

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[stalag2005]

Try an active 8k cable at 48GB bandwidth. Also make sure all HDMI components are at least HDCP version 2.2 and are not HDCP 1.4 or below. Any device in the chain will either force the signal to downvert to 1080p or blank the screen due to HDCP copy protection. 4K 60Hz requires minimum standard of HDCP 2.2 and prior revisions are not compatible. If you want to blame anyone blame the RIAA/MPAA lobby and congress for this mess of the DCMA act in the USA. Unfortunately this impacts the world due to the size of the USA market.

 

[stalag2005]

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found this in another thread. Hoping this helps you

 

[TLS Guy]

I have an Epson 5040 and Onkyo NR646 running my home theater. When running 4k games or some 4k movies, the picture blacks out and displays HDMI Source not found. I can still hear the audio. I have this running on a 50ft HDMI cable and understand this is likely the issue. The way the room was built, this is the needed distance. I have replaced the HDMI cable 3 times now and still happens. Currently using this one below. It is sporadic and frustrating. Would moving to a fiber optic HDMI eliminate this? Any other ideas? I need help before adding to the pile of unused cables

Monoprice 4K High Speed HDMI Cable 50ft - CL2 In Wall Rated 18Gbps Active Black - Monoprice.com

Monoprice's Ultra Series Active High Speed HDMI® Cable features the next generation of active HDMI cable technology. It delivers 18Gbps bandwidth and it supports Ultra HD HDMI video transmissi

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You need a hybrid HDMI cable for that distance, make sure you use a voltage inserter to power it.

25' is about the limit for 4K with a standard cable. By far the best results come from hybrid optical/copper HDMI cables. I am very happy with mine.

 

[JFat1202]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I ended up getting this one below. Hope this does the trick

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[TLS Guy]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I ended up getting this one below. Hope this does the trick

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Hopefully that will do the trick for you. It is an unknown quantity. I went with Ruipro, that is more expensive, but it has a well documented history of success.

Make sure you get the voltage inserter. These cables take a current draw greater than the HDMI spec by far. That is why I specked a voltage inserter so the cable would not blow up the HDMI board.

We have already had a post of just this happening, with a poster reporting just that serious occurrence.

The voltage inserter is very cheap insurance. If you blow up your HDMI board, it is pretty much new receiver time.

 

[JFat1202]

Hopefully that will do the trick for you. It is an unknown quantity. I went with Ruipro, that is more expensive, but it has a well documented history of success.

Make sure you get the voltage inserter. These cables take a current draw greater than the HDMI spec by far. That is why I specked a voltage inserter so the cable would not blow up the HDMI board.

We have already had a post of just this happening, with a poster reporting just that serious occurrence.

The voltage inserter is very cheap insurance. If you blow up your HDMI board, it is pretty much new receiver time.

Do you have one that you'd recommend? Would you say the inserter may do the trick on its own? I really don't want to re-snake the cables but wiling to just to get it right

 

[TLS Guy]

Do you have one that you'd recommend? Would you say the inserter may do the trick on its own? I really don't want to re-snake the cables but wiling to just to get it right

I linked it in my first post.

The voltage inserter is no use with your current cable. The voltage inserter is to power active cables. The voltage inserter is power the converters either end of the cable. Now these hybrid cables can ONLY be connected one way round, and the converter in the plug that goes into the receiver converts the video to an optical signal, and the plug that goes into the TV converts it the other way. So pay attention to the arrows in the plugs. The arrow in the direction of the cable goes into the receiver and the plug with the arrow going away from the cable goes into the TV. Make sure you put the voltage inserter at the receiver end and NOT the TV end.

This is the voltage inserter I already linked.

This was the cable I recommended for you.

I'm a little concerned about the cable you ordered. Some of these cables are junk. The technology is complex. I know the Ruipro cables are reliable. There is only one consumer review of that cable you ordered on Amazon. That guy reported his cable stopped working very soon. This is complex cutting edge technology, so you might want to think about the brand of cable you ordered. Ruipro have a lot of experience with these cables now, and a longer period of recorded success. Remember when you do get this cable, handle it very gently. They are fragile, and you can NOT tug and pull on them. These cables can transmit HDMI signals hundreds of feet if required, with no signal loss. They really are state of the art.

My cable has now been in use for 14 months.

My cable runs in a large steel conduit. I was able to pass it very gently indeed with a snake, with zero tugging.

This is the distribution box. The cables hanging down are the black Ruipro cable and the white cat6 Ethernet cable for the TV.

The cables passing though at the TV, FM and Ethernet cables for the system next door.

This shows the three large steel conduits carrying the eight speaker cables for the right and left speakers and the third one carrying the Ruipro cable the two Cat 6 cables and the two coax cables. This way everything passes nice and easily with no rough handling.

When finished everything is concealed.

 

[FarmerBob]

I'm running 4 of the Monoprice Cabernet 50 footers, same as the one at the link above, with no problems. One of the cables has been in use since they first came out.

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[JFat1202]

I linked it in my first post.

The voltage inserter is no use with your current cable. The voltage inserter is to power active cables. The voltage inserter is power the converters either end of the cable. Now these hybrid cables can ONLY be connected one way round, and the converter in the plug that goes into the receiver converts the video to an optical signal, and the plug that goes into the TV converts it the other way. So pay attention to the arrows in the plugs. The arrow in the direction of the cable goes into the receiver and the plug with the arrow going away from the cable goes into the TV. Make sure you put the voltage inserter at the receiver end and NOT the TV end.

This is the voltage inserter I already linked.

This was the cable I recommended for you.

I'm a little concerned about the cable you ordered. Some of these cables are junk. The technology is complex. I know the Ruipro cables are reliable. There is only one consumer review of that cable you ordered on Amazon. That guy reported his cable stopped working very soon. This is complex cutting edge technology, so you might want to think about the brand of cable you ordered. Ruipro have a lot of experience with these cables now, and a longer period of recorded success. Remember when you do get this cable, handle it very gently. They are fragile, and you can NOT tug and pull on them. These cables can transmit HDMI signals hundreds of feet if required, with no signal loss. They really are state of the art.

My cable has now been in use for 14 months.

My cable runs in a large steel conduit. I was able to pass it very gently indeed with a snake, with zero tugging.

This is the distribution box. The cables hanging down are the black Ruipro cable and the white cat6 Ethernet cable for the TV.

The cables passing though at the TV, FM and Ethernet cables for the system next door.

This shows the three large steel conduits carrying the eight speaker cables for the right and left speakers and the third one carrying the Ruipro cable the two Cat 6 cables and the two coax cables. This way everything passes nice and easily with no rough handling.

When finished everything is concealed.

Hey, sorry, I must have copied the wrong link. This is the one that I ended up ordering. What are your thoughts on this? Should I return it for the one you mentioned?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07S91JQRP/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AOZA4G007J42L&psc=1

 

[TLS Guy]

Hey, sorry, I must have copied the wrong link. This is the one that I ended up ordering. What are your thoughts on this? Should I return it for the one you mentioned?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07S91JQRP/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AOZA4G007J42L&psc=1

Well that cable seems to have a good track record of success. So I bet it will be fine, it is more expensive than the Ruipro however.

I should stress that hybrid fiber optic cables have the lowest signal attenuation by far. The alternative is active standard cables, that have an active boost to the signal. However I would recommend the fiber optic approach every time, as being technically superior.

 

[Tony Cardenas]

I linked it in my first post.

The voltage inserter is no use with your current cable. The voltage inserter is to power active cables. The voltage inserter is power the converters either end of the cable. Now these hybrid cables can ONLY be connected one way round, and the converter in the plug that goes into the receiver converts the video to an optical signal, and the plug that goes into the TV converts it the other way. So pay attention to the arrows in the plugs. The arrow in the direction of the cable goes into the receiver and the plug with the arrow going away from the cable goes into the TV. Make sure you put the voltage inserter at the receiver end and NOT the TV end.

This is the voltage inserter I already linked.

This was the cable I recommended for you.

I'm a little concerned about the cable you ordered. Some of these cables are junk. The technology is complex. I know the Ruipro cables are reliable. There is only one consumer review of that cable you ordered on Amazon. That guy reported his cable stopped working very soon. This is complex cutting edge technology, so you might want to think about the brand of cable you ordered. Ruipro have a lot of experience with these cables now, and a longer period of recorded success. Remember when you do get this cable, handle it very gently. They are fragile, and you can NOT tug and pull on them. These cables can transmit HDMI signals hundreds of feet if required, with no signal loss. They really are state of the art.

My cable has now been in use for 14 months.

My cable runs in a large steel conduit. I was able to pass it very gently indeed with a snake, with zero tugging.

This is the distribution box. The cables hanging down are the black Ruipro cable and the white cat6 Ethernet cable for the TV.

The cables passing though at the TV, FM and Ethernet cables for the system next door.

This shows the three large steel conduits carrying the eight speaker cables for the right and left speakers and the third one carrying the Ruipro cable the two Cat 6 cables and the two coax cables. This way everything passes nice and easily with no rough handling.

When finished everything is concealed.

That's an absolutely amazing setup. Congrats on all accounts - aesthetic, beautifully clean install, and everything else. Amazing.

 

[Tony Cardenas]

I think you already bought one, but if needed, I can vouch for this cable. It's 50ft HDMI and passes full 4K HDR no issues (no serious testing but did confirm with Xbox video output settings and Apple TV).

Amazon.com: Amazon Basics High-Speed Fiber Optic HDMI Cable (18 Gpbs - 4k/60Hz), Supports Ethernet, 3D, 4K and ARC - 50-Foot: Electronics

Amazon.com: Amazon Basics High-Speed Fiber Optic HDMI Cable (18 Gpbs - 4k/60Hz), Supports Ethernet, 3D, 4K and ARC - 50-Foot: Electronics

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