11 Channel Receiver or 9 Channel Receiver + 2 Channel Amp?

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angrybadger75

Enthusiast
I'm replacing my 10 year old Onkyo & Polk 7.1 system with a full 7.1.4 Atmos system. My question is really from both a sound quality perspective and value perspective, does it make sense to pay 50% more for an 11 channel receiver than it would be to pair a 9 channel receiver with a separate 2 channel amp. Here's what I'm really looking at:

Marantz SR6015 9 channel & Emotiva BasX A-300 2 channel
$1599 + $399 = $1998
VS
Marantz SR8015 11 channel
$3199

9 + 2 Pros:
Value
Benefits of a dedicated component amplifier, including more power for Fronts (true 150x2 vs 110 or 140 minus ~30% when driving more than 2 channels)
Same audio processing engine, with nearly the same features (don't need DTS:X Pro I don't think)

9 + 2 Cons:
Non Marantz amp in the mix (should I care?)
Cosmetic mix of brands in the rack (not a big deal to me)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Or get the Marantz SR6015 + Marantz MM7025 2Ch amp = 11 Ch of Marantz. No Emo necessary. :D
 
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angrybadger75

Enthusiast
Or get the Marantz SR6015 + Marantz MM7025 2Ch amp = 11 Ch of Marantz. No Emo necessary. :D
True, but from the value position it's less wattage and twice the price while both amps are well reviewed.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
True, but from the value position it's less wattage and twice the price while both amps are well reviewed.
The price you pay for aesthetics, pride of ownership, etc. Many people don't like Emo. So if you're okay with all those Emo bashing and want to save some money, then get the Emo. :D
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I'm replacing my 10 year old Onkyo & Polk 7.1 system with a full 7.1.4 Atmos system. My question is really from both a sound quality perspective and value perspective, does it make sense to pay 50% more for an 11 channel receiver than it would be to pair a 9 channel receiver with a separate 2 channel amp. Here's what I'm really looking at:

Marantz SR6015 9 channel & Emotiva BasX A-300 2 channel
$1599 + $399 = $1998
VS
Marantz SR8015 11 channel
$3199

9 + 2 Pros:
Value
Benefits of a dedicated component amplifier, including more power for Fronts (true 150x2 vs 110 or 140 minus ~30% when driving more than 2 channels)
Same audio processing engine, with nearly the same features (don't need DTS:X Pro I don't think)

9 + 2 Cons:
Non Marantz amp in the mix (should I care?)
Cosmetic mix of brands in the rack (not a big deal to me)
Do yourself a favor, get the AVR-X3700H and a 200WX3 Monolith. You will save money on the Denon that is internally basically/almost/practically the same as the SR6015 but will give you lower distortions as it doesn't have the unnecessary (necessary for Marantz's marketing team.:D) HDAMs.

The Monolith will give you extra headroom for not only the front left and right, but also the more demanding center channel, even if you don't (and you mostly likely don't) need the extra power.

A good alternative to the Monolith is the Outlaw monoblock X3. The Outlaw is a better deal if and when they are on sale (buy 2 get 1 free).
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
I'm looking at SVS Ultra Towers, so the extra power of an external amp probably does factor in.
I'm not saying you'll need it, but this is how I would go.

Denon 3600 and

 
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angrybadger75

Enthusiast
Almost everyone seems to be saying to go the component route and the main question has been what brand amp to use. I had seen some great reviews for the Emotiva BasX a-300, but some of these comments sound like maybe people here are not big fans? The other options are more expensive, so kind of skew the value.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Almost everyone seems to be saying to go the component route and the main question has been what brand amp to use. I had seen some great reviews for the Emotiva BasX a-300, but some of these comments sound like maybe people here are not big fans? The other options are more expensive, so kind of skew the value.
Good point, but sometimes people recommend going with separate components regardless, because some members like us know from experience that many posters would likely want to hear what they want to hear in the first place and simply came for moral support...:D So if they come and ask for comments on which external amp too buy, or even just seeking opinions on whether their "demanding/power hungry/low impedance.. blablabla...speakers", we know their minds are likely set on external amps already, whether actually they need them or not. Same can be said about separate processor/preamp vs AVR etc..

Regarding "fans" or "no fans" for Emo amps, there is no denying that Emo amps offer one of the best values in terms of $/W, but it is the other factors that make some members hesitate to recommend them.

More expensive does not always result in better specs/"sound quality", but it is often true that you get what you pay for, so naturally your higher price options tend to have better chance to give you better overall quality.

By the way, if you are of the type who value more on facts and figures than subjective hearsay, then your first step should be to figure out how much power you really need based on the speakers of your choice, your room dimensions, seating distance, and spl requirements. An easy way to do that is to use an online spl/power requirement calculator. Once you have the numbers, you can more easily determine which amp would fit your need, or whether one is needed at all.

Since you mentioned the Ultra Towers, just food for thought, below is what SVS said in their FAQ on external power amp requirements:


"DO I NEED AN EXTERNAL AMPLIFIER TO POWER THE SVS ULTRA LOUDSPEAKERS?

The SVS Ultra loudspeakers have excellent sensitivity and are easy to drive with any quality A/V receiver. If the Ultra loudspeakers are being placed in a large listening environment and will be driven to high playback levels, and external amplifier will help avoid amplifier clipping and maintain optimal system dynamics.."


So no, their Ultra speakers do not always need external power amps to make them perform, it depends..

Another thing, about the low/like 4 ohm impedance that sometime user seemed to think it was a bragging right....:D, at least one respected speaker manufacturer's privately expressed to me the following (don't want to mention name as it was a private email):

"...Strictly defined per IEC 60268-5 - the value of Znom is no more than 1.25 * Zmin.

With that said, there are other factors to consider – like the myth (which refuses to die) that AVRs cannot drive a 4 ohm load without shutting off or bursting into flames. So it’s actually common (from a product sales and marketing standpoint) to state of nominal impedance of 8 ohms (even if it doesn’t meet the strict IEC definition) to avoid undue customer anxiety......."


So even if you are going with the Ultra Towers, it really doesn't mean your AVR cannot perform well with them, but of course more power never hurts as long as you exercise care and money is not a factor.
 
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mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
Emotiva BasX a-300, but some of these comments sound like maybe people here are not big fans? The other options are more expensive, so kind of skew the value.
JMO
The BasX is a nice amp, but for $400 at only 150w it really doesn't add much other then taking a little load off your AVR.
The Outlaws 2220 (bulletproof) for $150 more per channel are 200w. Now you have a little headroom.
 
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angrybadger75

Enthusiast
Or get the Marantz SR6015 + Marantz MM7025 2Ch amp = 11 Ch of Marantz. No Emo necessary. :D
So over the weekend I ended up ordering the SR6014 rather than the SR6015 to save some money, and used the savings to pair it with a MM7025 to get to 7.2.4. I'm sure the Outlaw amps would have really driven the SVS Ultra towers well, but I just couldn't get my head around buying a Marantz receiver for the audio quality then introducing a different brand amp to drive the most important speakers.

I'll let you guys know my impressions once I get it set up. Thanks for all the suggestions!
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
So over the weekend I ended up ordering the SR6014 rather than the SR6015 to save some money, and used the savings to pair it with a MM7025 to get to 7.2.4. I'm sure the Outlaw amps would have really driven the SVS Ultra towers well, but I just couldn't get my head around buying a Marantz receiver for the audio quality then introducing a different brand amp to drive the most important speakers.

I'll let you guys know my impressions once I get it set up. Thanks for all the suggestions!
Your surround speakers will need about 1 Watt per channel. So any amp will do just fine. The 2 Marantz components will look nice together aesthetically. Might as well feel great about it. :D
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I'm looking at SVS Ultra Towers, so the extra power of an external amp probably does factor in.
@Pogre went from a Marantz avr alone with his ultras (both bs and tower) to the Marantz (6012?6011?) plus the Monolith 7 amp. Not much gained by the external amp in his experience. YMMV. I like the idea of the avr plus external amp, Denon and Crown XLS would be my route.
 
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