Amplifier to Receiver Advice

[Duece219]

I just purchased a new amplifier, and my speakers are rocking out, it's great. However, now I would like to upgrade my receiver (I have an old Yamaha which doesn't have HDMI inputs, and I can't figure out how to run the audio out to the amp) to connect to my amplifier, and the receiver has to have a few different HDMI inputs. What receivers should I be looking for? My amp is an 8 channel Pyle, and I have 8 speakers hooked up to it. Thanks for any advice ...

 

[Leemix]

An AVR with pre-outs for all channels.


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[lovinthehd]

What model Yamaha do you have? Is this distributed audio over several rooms or a multichannel audio system?

 

[Duece219]

An AVR with pre-outs for all channels.


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Thanks, so a Denon with pre-outs for all channels would work? How does the pre-out appear on the back of the receiver? and do I just have to use an audio cord between the receiver and the amp? (like the red and white plugs on both ends?)

thanks,

 

[Duece219]

What model Yamaha do you have? Is this distributed audio over several rooms or a multichannel audio system?

Not sure on Model Yamaha, but its old and it doesn't matter because I need HDMI inputs on the receiver anyway. Speakers are distributed through the whole first floor of my home, and two of them are outside, all hard wired, obviously

 

[lovinthehd]

Not sure on Model Yamaha, but its old and it doesn't matter because I need HDMI inputs on the receiver anyway. Speakers are distributed through the whole first floor of my home, and two of them are outside, all hard wired, obviously

More for a suggestion on how you might get audio out of it. An avr might work but really isn't the tool for the speaker/amp arrangement you seem to have, that is you don't have a surround system setup but rather distributed audio (are the speakers all in mono or in stereo pairs or ?). Denons of model 3xxx and above have full sets of pre-outs.

 

[Duece219]

More for a suggestion on how you might get audio out of it. An avr might work but really isn't the tool for the speaker/amp arrangement you seem to have, that is you don't have a surround system setup but rather distributed audio (are the speakers all in mono or in stereo pairs or ?). Denons of model 3xxx and above have full sets of pre-outs.

Speakers are in mono I believe (1 speaker per channel / have 8 channels on the amp and 8 speakers), I just need a receiver that everything can go into (alexa, tv, blueray, xbox) and all the sound on each of the aforementioned inputs can come out of the amp. Would prefer one audio cord from receiver to amp which transfers all of the audio, regardless of input on the receiver, into the amplifier.

 

[Duece219]

Thanks, so a Denon with pre-outs for all channels would work? How does the pre-out appear on the back of the receiver? and do I just have to use an audio cord between the receiver and the amp? (like the red and white plugs on both ends?)

thanks,

Seems like I could just use a Preamplifier as opposed to an AVR.

 

[lovinthehd]

Seems like I could just use a Preamplifier as opposed to an AVR.

Yes, perhaps. A surround pre-pro usually costs more than an avr with pre-outs, tho. To accommodate all the connections you want you may be most cost effective with an avr, as long as it has a mono mode (not all do). HDMI and Alexa aren't usually accommodated in 2ch gear. There may be something in whole home distribution gear, but I don't generally follow that. htd.com has some whole home/distributed audio gear you might check out. Maybe @BMXTRIX can shed some light on options I'm not thinking of....

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

Can always get something like my Marantz AVR 6013, or the equivalent Denon. Especially if you don't need the latest 8K Video. Not sure about your gaming needs, but being 2 years old is like half price.

On the back there is an entire RCA OUT section clearly marked Pre-Outs. And shows FL, FR, C, SBL, SBR, SL, SR. So using RCA from these directly to the 7 ch IN on your amp, then amp to speakers and you're all set.

Depends on your budget and situation, but if I understand your post, it's exactly what I would do to upgrade my amplifier, for specs or power and seems to fit your requirements.

 

[mazersteven]

What Speakers are Rocking?

 

[BMXTRIX]

I would need way more details before I could make a recommendation.

AV Receivers are designed to process surround sound and then feed them into a SINGLE ROOM for surround sound audio or to power speakers as appropriate. A multi-channel amplifier with multiple rooms that need audio can typically get that audio from the analog connections from most of those devices.

If you are NOT doing surround sound anywhere, then you can get by alright with a pretty basic solution. If you are doing surround sound in one area, then need stereo for other locations, then you will need analog audio outputs from your sources at the very least. Surround sound and stereo aren't carried over HDMI at the same time. Pick one, or the other, which makes surround and stereo rooms completely useless (THANKS HDMI!!!).

How do you intend to control volume in all of these spaces with speakers in them?

A concern people will have, myself included, is that you have a Pyle amp. You may have a very decent setup, but Pyle is not well known for putting out quality product. So, you may have started walking down a path which isn't great overall. But, that doesn't mean that you won't get help, it just means that you may not get the exact results you were expecting.

Typically a room will have no less than two speakers in it. This is because stereo is the industry standard. Two speakers, or multiples of two speakers, setup in a 'best possible' stereo configuration. You can convert from stereo to mono using adapters easily enough, but this isn't typical and is rarely much less expensive.
Since every room may want to listen at a different volume level, and you may even want to play something different between rooms, it isn't uncommon to use whole house audio distribution units. But, those will be entirely analog units as well.

HDMI is simply not designed for whole-house audio distribution, and you will lose surround sound if you wanted it, the second you start integrating HDMI devices into a distributed audio system (with a few exceptions). You will not get better audio by using HDMI when your rooms are stereo.

You can use a device like the Marantz 6013 listed above and that can get you 'all channel stereo' to everything. Then you are using a single source to all rooms with a stereo feed and up to 7 speakers being processed. But, it isn't expandable, and volume from the Marantz will impact all rooms at the same time.

A more typical audio distribution system would be something like this:

MC-66 Multi-Zone Controller

DetailsThe MC-66 is the most affordable whole-house audio controller available that includes these features and this high level of build-quality. Add a KC6 or KC7 keypad into each zone and/or use our MC App to send and receive signals to and from the controller.Use the pre-amp outputs in each...

www.htd.com

For any sources that you need to convert from HDMI to stereo, you can use a $30 HDMI audio extractor on.

https://www.amazon.com/J-Tech-Digital-Extractor-Converter-JTDAT5CH/dp/B00BIQER0E/ref=sr_1_1_sspa

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

I may have misunderstood the OP. I didn't get that all 8 speakers weren't meant to play together. Or that some combo of speakers and a Zone 2 Pre-Out Stereo was required. Maybe I was too focused on the "what did it look like /how is it connected" part.

Sorry. Next time I'm read more and write less.

 

[Duece219]

Can always get something like my Marantz AVR 6013, or the equivalent Denon. Especially if you don't need the latest 8K Video. Not sure about your gaming needs, but being 2 years old is like half price.

On the back there is an entire RCA OUT section clearly marked Pre-Outs. And shows FL, FR, C, SBL, SBR, SL, SR. So using RCA from these directly to the 7 ch IN on your amp, then amp to speakers and you're all set.

Depends on your budget and situation, but if I understand your post, it's exactly what I would do to upgrade my amplifier, for specs or power and seems to fit your requirements.

Got it. Thanks. So, with the Marantz your suggestion, I would need a RCA cord for each speaker preout, correct?
I have heard the new Denons. The 2020s have a preamp mode which turns off the amp in the AVR to let one completely bypass to one’s own amp, anyone know if this is correct?

 

[Duece219]

I may have misunderstood the OP. I didn't get that all 8 speakers weren't meant to play together. Or that some combo of speakers and a Zone 2 Pre-Out Stereo was required. Maybe I was too focused on the "what did it look like /how is it connected" part.

Sorry. Next time I'm read more and write less.

Yep, looking to use all together sometimes, music. Or music outside and in front of house sometimes with game on in den, or whatever combination.

 

[Duece219]

What Speakers are Rocking?

Bose 791 in ceilings. 6 of them and two Yahama outdoors.

 

[Duece219]

Thanks, so a Denon with pre-outs for all channels would work? How does the pre-out appear on the back of the receiver? and do I just have to use an audio cord between the receiver and the amp? (like the red and white plugs on both ends?)
You mean preouts for the channels or preout for the speakers ok the AVR? A lot of AVRS I see have preouts for the individual speakers but not the channels.

thanks,

 

[Duece219]

I would need way more details before I could make a recommendation.

AV Receivers are designed to process surround sound and then feed them into a SINGLE ROOM for surround sound audio or to power speakers as appropriate. A multi-channel amplifier with multiple rooms that need audio can typically get that audio from the analog connections from most of those devices.

If you are NOT doing surround sound anywhere, then you can get by alright with a pretty basic solution. If you are doing surround sound in one area, then need stereo for other locations, then you will need analog audio outputs from your sources at the very least. Surround sound and stereo aren't carried over HDMI at the same time. Pick one, or the other, which makes surround and stereo rooms completely useless (THANKS HDMI!!!).

How do you intend to control volume in all of these spaces with speakers in them?

A concern people will have, myself included, is that you have a Pyle amp. You may have a very decent setup, but Pyle is not well known for putting out quality product. So, you may have started walking down a path which isn't great overall. But, that doesn't mean that you won't get help, it just means that you may not get the exact results you were expecting.

Typically a room will have no less than two speakers in it. This is because stereo is the industry standard. Two speakers, or multiples of two speakers, setup in a 'best possible' stereo configuration. You can convert from stereo to mono using adapters easily enough, but this isn't typical and is rarely much less expensive.
Since every room may want to listen at a different volume level, and you may even want to play something different between rooms, it isn't uncommon to use whole house audio distribution units. But, those will be entirely analog units as well.

HDMI is simply not designed for whole-house audio distribution, and you will lose surround sound if you wanted it, the second you start integrating HDMI devices into a distributed audio system (with a few exceptions). You will not get better audio by using HDMI when your rooms are stereo.

You can use a device like the Marantz 6013 listed above and that can get you 'all channel stereo' to everything. Then you are using a single source to all rooms with a stereo feed and up to 7 speakers being processed. But, it isn't expandable, and volume from the Marantz will impact all rooms at the same time.

A more typical audio distribution system would be something like this:

MC-66 Multi-Zone Controller

DetailsThe MC-66 is the most affordable whole-house audio controller available that includes these features and this high level of build-quality. Add a KC6 or KC7 keypad into each zone and/or use our MC App to send and receive signals to and from the controller.Use the pre-amp outputs in each...

www.htd.com

For any sources that you need to convert from HDMI to stereo, you can use a $30 HDMI audio extractor on.

https://www.amazon.com/J-Tech-Digital-Extractor-Converter-JTDAT5CH/dp/B00BIQER0E/ref=sr_1_1_sspa

With the HDMI extractor, will the video still be playing on the television?

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

Connecting the RCA to any Pre-Out bypasses the internal amp for the same matching speaker set.

Meaning if you had all the same Pre-Outs I do, and only added a 2 ch amp, then you would use it to either replace the FL and FR for the mains and the amp recognize this in surround or stereo mode, and sends the processed sound to the new amp as well as any remaining. (you could also in my case use it for 2 additional speakers (SBL/SBR) processed, and changing my Amps overall processing from 9 to 11 total channels.) - Or, if you used ALL the Pre-Outs, the Marantz / Denon similarly recognizes the RCA s connected and sends all sound channels through them. This will work in either Zone 1 or Zone 2 settings.

I actually have an amp purchased that I plan to use in my first example. But my 6013 is a bit harder to get at than my Marantz NR1200. Which also has 2 Pre-Outs. I just ran RCAs from the NR1200 to the new Amp inputs and there was nothing else to do. No menu hunting to change settings or anything. Basically, the amp recognizes this by the RCA connection.

Now in not familiar with your Yamaha, and being older you may have a menu item to change. Honestly I haven't looked at it. I'm speaking from my experience on my systems.

2 things though. First, my comments are only regarding the Pre-Outs and audio. I say that because your also asking about HDMI and Video. So I'm not commenting on those things.

And secondly, while I thoroughly researched everything I own myself, I asked here in this forum about each item first. While not everyone agrees 100% it's clear people here know. And to be perfectly honest they know much, much more than I. So get as many opinions or ideas as you can. Make sure you understan... and I have no problem with you asking someone here who knows more than I about anything I say.

Good luck..!

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

Yep, looking to use all together sometimes, music. Or music outside and in front of house sometimes with game on in den, or whatever combination.

I'm combination with my other post, just to be clear. Most modern AVR's that handle above 2.1 processing often have a Zone 1 / Zone 2 setup. The Zone 1 can be stereo only, 2.1 processing, or any combination up to its max processing. Zone 2, is typically 2 ch stereo only. The distinction in Zones is controlled by which Pre-Outs you use. And you can bypass the internal amps on either Zone with a separate amplifier. TBPH, I've never tried using both Zones at once but if I read the manual correctly, I could.

I'm not 100% certain this covers all your needs, but it's design is to allow a single unit (a multi ch pre-pro AVR) to provide both surround sound in one room and stereo in the other. But since Zone 1 can use all the channels your AVR can power, this could be anywhere from 2 to 7 or 9 or more speakers. Depending on the AVR of course.

II just don't want to confuse you with the Channels and Zones. Reading the manual and looking at the page for the back of the amp is sometimes easier than trying to follow a forum post.