Connecting Denon AVR-X6700H

[VMPS-TIII]

Agreed, I found the same to be true when I ran the 13 channel setup on my Yamaha. I'm not even sure I did it right but everything works. So, from your suggestions in the first post, I'm thinking that if I connect all but Height 2 with the bi-amp (just to put it to rest) and then use my Bas-X to connect the Height 2 it might work with one of the amp assigns starting with the 11 channel you suggest. I'm still not understanding if I'm connecting both my heights to the Bas-X why I can't have both height speakers. Frankly, it gets very muddled when I start looking at all the amp and height assignments, its calculus 3 all over again. OK, so if that fails and can the bi-amp I can still reduce the load on the 6700 by using the Bas-X to power my heights...correct? Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it.

Correct. The pre-outs for the Height channels can all be used with an external amp. Just don't try to use a pre-out and the speaker terminal that goes with it - at the same time.

 

[kmoshers]

Curious, what does HDMI 2.1 do for you with the new Playstation?

Well, I'm not sure to be honest. I bought a 77" LG C9 last year with HDMI 2.1 and would like to complete that set up with a 2.1 receiver so that the PS 5 and PS 5 games can do all that stuff they advertise in 2.1. You have to know that at 73 I don't wait a couple of years anymore. I'm not rich but 24 months zero interest always works well for me. And again, I can use the 3060 in the home theater upstairs so its not wasted at all. In addition, I have always found the 3060 to have muddled dialog and hope for better from the Denon. I read the article on the dialog problems here on audioholics so will have to wait and see.

 

[lovinthehd]

Well, I'm not sure to be honest. I bought a 77" LG C9 last year with HDMI 2.1 and would like to complete that set up with a 2.1 receiver so that the PS 5 and PS 5 games can do all that stuff they advertise in 2.1. You have to know that at 73 I don't wait a couple of years anymore. I'm not rich but 24 months zero interest always works well for me. And again, I can use the 3060 in the home theater upstairs so its not wasted at all. In addition, I have always found the 3060 to have muddled dialog and hope for better from the Denon. I read the article on the dialog problems here on audioholics so will have to wait and see.

I haven't been reading much up on hdmi 2.1 (I haven't even gone to 4k yet), believe 8k and lossless ARC are the major features (but what tv services have lossless audio?). I was wondering if for gaming and plugging the console into the tv might be how it would provide an advantage over what you've already got audio-wise...or are you more waiting for future gear to catch up?

 

[kmoshers]

Correct. The pre-outs for the Height channels can all be used with an external amp. Just don't try to use a pre-out and the speaker terminal that goes with it - at the same time.

I'll just putz around with it the same way I did with the 3060 and see if it works. On a side note, I called the Denon support line and after waiting some while talked to a person who had no idea what I was asking - he ended up hanging up on me - WTF, LOL

 

[kmoshers]

I haven't been reading much up on hdmi 2.1 (I haven't even gone to 4k yet), believe 8k and lossless ARC are the major features (but what tv services have lossless audio?). I was wondering if for gaming and plugging the console into the tv might be how it would provide an advantage over what you've already got audio-wise...or are you more waiting for future gear to catch up?

I've been reading till I don't want to anymore. Its all about the gaming speed and such, games won't be restricted to 18 GB but move to 40 GB, they'll go from 60 HZ to 120 HZ and the sound formats like Imax DTS-X Pro and Aura 3D might be a part of it. Movies will probably lag behind, but if your interested there's a bunch of articles on Audioholic and some good reviews You tube.

 

[lovinthehd]

I've been reading till I don't want to anymore. Its all about the gaming speed and such, games won't be restricted to 18 GB but move to 40 GB, they'll go from 60 HZ to 120 HZ and the sound formats like Imax DTS-X Pro and Aura 3D might be a part of it. Movies will probably lag behind, but if your interested there's a bunch of articles on Audioholic and some good reviews You tube.

Nah, not a gamer at all so likely nothing there for me

 

[Trebdp83]

You should be able to play games using VRR with your PS5 connected to your Denon X6700H and LG C9. I believe the LG C9 supports VRR in 4K @60hz max. You would need to get their 8K TV to play anything using VRR in 4K @120HZ or 8K @60HZ. You should be able to play a game on your TV in 1080 @120hz max or maybe 1440 @120hz max. It will depend on the games themselves as much as your devices. Any setting should look great on your rig. I believe VMPS is correct. I would think that you could bi-amp your fronts using the HEIGHT 3 speaker connections and use the HEIGHT 1 and HEIGHT 2 PRE OUTs to connect your external amplifier. Then, I think you turn off the amps to the unused speaker connections. I'm sure somebody in the know can correct any misinformation we give you so that you don't screw things up too badly. Do fill us in when you get your PS5 and have it all hooked up. Happy gaming!

 

[TankTop5]

Curious, what does HDMI 2.1 do for you with the new Playstation?

4K at 120hz, is a game changer for console gaming. Many times I’m playing against a PC gamer and it looks like from my point of you that I shot them but they were a millisecond ahead of my shots and in reality I missed. This will almost level the playing field for console cameras versus PC gamers.

 

[kmoshers]

You should be able to play games using VRR with your PS5 connected to your Denon X6700H and LG C9. I believe the LG C9 supports VRR in 4K @60hz max. You would need to get their 8K TV to play anything using VRR in 4K @120HZ or 8K @60HZ. You should be able to play a game on your TV in 1080 @120hz max or maybe 1440 @120hz max. It will depend on the games themselves as much as your devices. Any setting should look great on your rig. I believe VMPS is correct. I would think that you could bi-amp your fronts using the HEIGHT 3 speaker connections and use the HEIGHT 1 and HEIGHT 2 PRE OUTs to connect your external amplifier. Then, I think you turn off the amps to the unused speaker connections. I'm sure somebody in the know can correct any misinformation we give you so that you don't screw things up too badly. Do fill us in when you get your PS5 and have it all hooked up. Happy gaming!

Hey, good news on the heights and bi-amping.I planned on hooking it all up that way just to try it out. Not sure yet how to turn off the amps, I thought that was an all or nothing deal but will let you know. Bi-amping isn't a necessity but an interesting challenge. Will keep you informed. Thanks!

 

[kmoshers]

Correct. The pre-outs for the Height channels can all be used with an external amp. Just don't try to use a pre-out and the speaker terminal that goes with it - at the same time.

I'm going to throw one more query out there. I have the Emotiva BasX 500 and use it for my heights which leaves the 6700 handling the front, center, surround and surround back. I've been researching the 3700 and emotive gen 2 3 channel for the front/center leaving 105 watts for the other 8 speakers. Or instead, for less money, I could buy another basx 500 and hook up the surrounds and backs freeing up the 6700 to handle the front/centers only .Amp weight and space are an issue. Whew, sounds like a lotta of BS but was wondering whether dedicating the 6700 to front/center alone would increase the power available if that's even necessary. Just looking for opinions...thanks.

 

[Trebdp83]

Keep going, you are just about ready to use the Denon as a pre-pro altogether. And why not? Denons get hot. You could take it from broiler to bread warmer. Get two more BasX A-500 amps and you will have 13 channels to play with and a second two channel zone for the patio while you grill dogs. Joy! Or, use the two extra channels to bi-amp the fronts and just boil the hot dogs in the kitchen. I always preferred them that way. Though, not sure you can assign the Zone 2 or Zone 3 PRE OUTs to Bi-Amp the FRONT channels when in 13.1 Pre- Pro mode.
Just grill the dogs on the patio while listening to Zone 2 and call it good.

 

[VMPS-TIII]

I'm going to throw one more query out there. I have the Emotiva BasX 500 and use it for my heights which leaves the 6700 handling the front, center, surround and surround back. I've been researching the 3700 and emotive gen 2 3 channel for the front/center leaving 105 watts for the other 8 speakers. Or instead, for less money, I could buy another basx 500 and hook up the surrounds and backs freeing up the 6700 to handle the front/centers only .Amp weight and space are an issue. Whew, sounds like a lotta of BS but was wondering whether dedicating the 6700 to front/center alone would increase the power available if that's even necessary. Just looking for opinions...thanks.

It's not unusual to place the fronts and center on a separate amp as they use the most power. Or just the Fronts in a 7.1.4 amp assign configuration using the pre-out for the Fronts. That lowers the power consumption as the surrounds and height speakers don't require much. It can also lower the receiver heat.

You could do the opposite and move the surrounds and heights to an external amp but that leaves the heaviest load on the receiver. Again, that's fine with the 6700 but not the usual route.

OR you could move all the speakers to external amps using pre-amp mode in "amp assign". That will offer the coolest running receiver but also use more power for the external amps. Lots of options.

 

[kmoshers]

It's not unusual to place the fronts and center on a separate amp as they use the most power. Or just the Fronts in a 7.1.4 amp assign configuration using the pre-out for the Fronts. That lowers the power consumption as the surrounds and height speakers don't require much. It can also lower the receiver heat.

You could do the opposite and move the surrounds and heights to an external amp but that leaves the heaviest load on the receiver. Again, that's fine with the 6700 but not the usual route.

OR you could move all the speakers to external amps using pre-amp mode in "amp assign". That will offer the coolest running receiver but also use more power for the external amps. Lots of options.

Good point and heat is an issue I've read about the 6700 though I will have an air com sitting on it. So, if you watched the video intro to the denon x series they show you just before the amp assign that the two fronts can also be "pre' if they connect to an external amp, but strangely they don't discuss that. I've read a number of forum queries asking if that's true or not - can you confirm it, i.e., turn off the amplifier power to the fronts only with an external amp.If so I would probably go with the 4700 and an Emotiva Gen2 3 channel. Thanks again.

 

[kmoshers]

Keep going, you are just about ready to use the Denon as a pre-pro altogether. And why not? Denons get hot. You could take it from broiler to bread warmer. Get two more BasX A-500 amps and you will have 13 channels to play with and a second two channel zone for the patio while you grill dogs. Joy! Or, use the two extra channels to bi-amp the fronts and just boil the hot dogs in the kitchen. I always preferred them that way. Though, not sure you can assign the Zone 2 or Zone 3 PRE OUTs to Bi-Amp the FRONT channels when in 13.1 Pre- Pro mode.
Just grill the dogs on the patio while listening to Zone 2 and call it good.

Before I upgrade my system I would upgrade the hot dogs to brats!! Yes, I thought of safe guarding future receiver needs while mowing today - always a meditative experience. So, it comes down to this for me. Either the 6700 with one more BasX 500 for the surrounds and backs or a 4700 with the Gen 2 3 channel. I'm leaning toward the latter. Thanks for the advice, enjoy the dogs...

 

[VMPS-TIII]

Good point and heat is an issue I've read about the 6700 though I will have an air com sitting on it. So, if you watched the video intro to the denon x series they show you just before the amp assign that the two fronts can also be "pre' if they connect to an external amp, but strangely they don't discuss that. I've read a number of forum queries asking if that's true or not - can you confirm it, i.e., turn off the amplifier power to the fronts only with an external amp.If so I would probably go with the 4700 and an Emotiva Gen2 3 channel. Thanks again.

Yes, it is possible to disconnect the two internal Front amps. To do so, you go to 11.1 in "amp assign" and setup 11 channels (7.1.4). When you do this it offers the option to use the Fronts with pre-outs. If you select a lesser amount of speakers the Front pre-out option is not available. This feature is offered on the Denon 6700, 4700 and 3700.

 

[kmoshers]

Yes, it is possible to disconnect the two internal Front amps. To do so, you go to 11.1 in "amp assign" and setup 11 channels (7.1.4). When you do this it offers the option to use the Fronts with pre-outs. If you select a lesser amount of speakers the Front pre-out option is not available. This feature is offered on the Denon 6700, 4700 and 3700.

Seriously, you should write a book. OK, so here's my semi-final decision: either the Denon 3700 or 4700 (your opinion?), Emotiva XPA-3 for the front/center, BasX 500 for the 4 height speakers. That leaves the surrounds and backs on the 3700/4700. And just so I'm comfortable with all that power: I have a set of Klipsch RP280Fs and a center Klipsch 450 something both with a 150W/600W cont/peak rating - the 275 continuous watts from the XPA-3 will do no harm- correct? Thanks again for all the help, greatly appreciated.

 

[VMPS-TIII]

Seriously, you should write a book. OK, so here's my semi-final decision: either the Denon 3700 or 4700 (your opinion?), Emotiva XPA-3 for the front/center, BasX 500 for the 4 height speakers. That leaves the surrounds and backs on the 3700/4700. And just so I'm comfortable with all that power: I have a set of Klipsch RP280Fs and a center Klipsch 450 something both with a 150W/600W cont/peak rating - the 275 continuous watts from the XPA-3 will do no harm- correct? Thanks again for all the help, greatly appreciated.

The 3700 is probably your best bet. It has slightly better measurements. However, it doesn't have Auro-3D which I really like. It also doesn't have two lines on the LCD just one and there are a few other features laking. But the 3700 also runs a little cooler. With all the amps you will be using the power of the receiver is not really important. Either 4700 or 3700 will do well.

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[mazersteven]

either the Denon 3700 or 4700 (your opinion?)And just so I'm comfortable with all that power: I have a set of Klipsch RP280F

A lot of Firepower for those speakers.

 

[kmoshers]

The 3700 is probably your best bet. It has slightly better measurements. However, it doesn't have Auro-3D which I really like. It also doesn't have two lines on the LCD just one and there are a few other features laking. But the 3700 also runs a little cooler. With all the amps you will be using the power of the receiver is not really important. Either 4700 or 3700 will do well.

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Thank you. So the XPA-3 is not too much power for the front/center?

 

[mazersteven]

Thank you. So the XPA-3 is not too much power for the front/center?

Absolutely Overkill for the Klipsch

275 watts/channel RMS into 8 Ohms; all channels driven
300 watts/channel RMS into 8 Ohms; two channels driven
490 watts/channel RMS into 4 Ohms; two channels driven

Klipsch RP280F

FREQUENCY RESPONSE 32-25kHz +/- 3dB
SENSITIVITY 98dB @ 2.83V / 1m
POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK) 150/600
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 Ohms Compatible