Need help with crappy sounding system

[Sdickson10480]

I just remodeled my first floor and put in ceiling speakers throughout the floor. I bought 6" pyle speakers that i found on Amazon. I'm using a Denon receiver and a speaker selector with 6 zones. It works, but doesn't sound great. Also, i have the receiver practically maxed out to get sound. Not sure what i'm missing here. Using the two front speakers to feed the selector. I was using the selector prior to the set up, with great sound. That was with a cheaper Yamaha receiver. I have a TV hooked up to this too and it's next to impossible to make out what people are saying.
Should I be using a different setting on the receiver? Different speaker outputs? is it the speakers? I'm lost here...
Thanks in advance

 

[Sdickson10480]

Pyle speakers are PDIC61RD

 

[mazersteven]

In-Ceiling speakers have their limitations in a HT Environment. Now you add in the Fact that those are Extreme Budget In-Ceilings Speakers, and that really doesn't help.

If they are used for Background Music they are fine

 

[Leemix]

Are you using the stereo sound mode?


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[Sdickson10480]

In-Ceiling speakers have their limitations in a HT Environment. Now you add in the Fact that those are Extreme Budget In-Ceilings Speakers, and that really doesn't help.

I saw a price that was too good to be true, with great ratings, and thought it was worth it. I do have two outdoor speakers hooked up to the same system, that were used in the past, and they aren't getting the volume they had either. I'm not afraid to spend a couple extra bucks on the speakers, but want to make sure i'll be happy with the results. I was warned not to go with wired, in ceiling speakers... really hope i don't regret the time put into this

 

[Sdickson10480]

Are you using the stereo sound mode?


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I am using the 2-channel stereo. Front speakers

 

[Sdickson10480]

So messing with the receiver, i got it to sound pretty good... but still almost maxed out on the receiver; about +7db

 

[TLS Guy]

So messing with the receiver, i got it to sound pretty good... but still almost maxed out on the receiver; about +7db

You have not told us how those speakers are all wired. I suspect you have a crazy impedance. So how are those speakers, all hooked up? Do you have room controls in the mix, an what are you using for impedance matching? I strongly suspect the installation is totally improper.

 

[Sdickson10480]

You have not told us how those speakers are all wired. I suspect you have a crazy impedance. So how are those speakers, all hooked up? Do you have room controls in the mix, an what are you using for impedance matching? I strongly suspect the installation is totally improper.

They are wired from the two Front speaker outputs to a 6 zone selector to an individual volume control in each zone (which i have bypassed to make sure wasn't the issue) to the speakers. And i have no idea what impedance matching is... so there's that. I have used this set up in the past with great results. Different receiver and speakers but otherwise the same.

 

[TLS Guy]

They are wired from the two Front speaker outputs to a 6 zone selector to an individual volume control in each zone (which i have bypassed to make sure wasn't the issue) to the speakers. And i have no idea what impedance matching is... so there's that. I have used this set up in the past with great results. Different receiver and speakers but otherwise the same.

Well, I suspect that the volume controls that you bypassed may be the impedance matching devices.

You CAN NOT just wire six speakers together and connect them to a receiver.

The speaker switch or the volume controls can be the impedance matching device, usually the volume controls.

You have to get the load to eight ohms for your receiver. You do that by selecting the correct taps on an impedance matching volume control or switch.

If you do not understand all this, then you need a professional installer before you ruin your receiver.

 

[WaynePflughaupt]

Adding a bit to what TLS said, even if you do get the impedance issue ironed out, you’re still over-taxing the amplifier. The problem is that the available power is divided out to all those speakers. For instance, if the receiver puts out 100 watts per channel, with six speakers connected to each channel, that means each one is only getting 16 watts. That’s probably why you can’t get the volume levels you want. Your best bet would be to get an outboard amplifier for the extra zones and separate them from the zone where the TV is.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

 

[Sdickson10480]

Adding a bit to what TLS said, even if you do get the impedance issue ironed out, you’re still over-taxing the amplifier. The problem is that the available power is divided out to all those speakers. For instance, if the receiver puts out 100 watts per channel, with six speakers connected to each channel, that means each one is only getting 16 watts. That’s probably why you can’t get the volume levels you want. Your best bet would be to get an outboard amplifier for the extra zones and separate them from the zone where the TV is.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

This TV is an extra TV that is mostly so used as a hub for the audio in the house. 9/10 times it'll just show pandora, or such, on it. I get that i'm not going to get the same quality from the 6 zones, but i have the same issues if i only use one zone. Really think it has something to do with the receiver. even with 5/6 zones off, it's around +7db for the one zone. I also have outdoor speakers, which i've been using, that are much lower than before. I can't imagine my Yamaha putting out more power than the denon

 

[everettT]

This TV is an extra TV that is mostly so used as a hub for the audio in the house. 9/10 times it'll just show pandora, or such, on it. I get that i'm not going to get the same quality from the 6 zones, but i have the same issues if i only use one zone. Really think it has something to do with the receiver. even with 5/6 zones off, it's around +7db for the one zone. I also have outdoor speakers, which i've been using, that are much lower than before. I can't imagine my Yamaha putting out more power than the denon

Did you check to see if the speakers are wired out of phase?

 

[mazersteven]

Adding a bit to what TLS said, even if you do get the impedance issue ironed out, you’re still over-taxing the amplifier. The problem is that the available power is divided out to all those speakers. For instance, if the receiver puts out 100 watts per channel, with six speakers connected to each channel, that means each one is only getting 16 watts. That’s probably why you can’t get the volume levels you want. Your best bet would be to get an outboard amplifier for the extra zones and separate them from the zone where the TV is.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

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