Looking out for my first receiver

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sakethsimha

Enthusiast
Hello All,

I recently have ordered the below speakers to setup a simple 3.1 setup to being with and I need some recommendations on a good receiver from the below brands

a) Onkyo
&
b) Pioneer

Below is my setup:
KLIPSCH RP8000F - Frond Sides
RP404C Front Center Channel
SPL120 - 2 of them (Subs)

Please suggest newer models please. Willing to spend about 1000$ for a 7.2 or more if required.

Thank you,
Saketh
 
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Movie2099

Audioholic General
Hello All,

I recently have ordered the below speakers to setup a simple 3.1 setup to being with and I need some recommendations on a good receiver from the below brands

a) Onkyo
&
b) Pioneer

Below is my setup:
KLIPSCH RP8000F - Frond Sides
RP404C Front Center Channel
SPL120 - 2 of them (Subs)

Please suggest newer models please. Willing to spend about 1000$ for a 7.2 or more if required.

Thank you,
Saketh
As most people on this site will suggest, Denon x3600H. Solid AVR and you can find it for under $1000 throughout the year. If you really want to save some money if just using for 3.1, get the 3500H. I think that one is under $700.
 
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sakethsimha

Enthusiast
I am looking for some good models from Onkyo and Pioneer? Can you please help list few for a 7.2 channel or above?

Would you not recommend them?
 
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sakethsimha

Enthusiast
Which one do you recommend from the below models?

SR-5014 (marantz)
TXRZ-840 (Onkyo)
 
M

Movie2099

Audioholic General
I am looking for some good models from Onkyo and Pioneer? Can you please help list few for a 7.2 channel or above?

Would you not recommend them?
I don't know much about Onkyo. Personally I have a Pioneer Elite. So I were to only choose between those two, then I would go with Pioneer. Any of the Elite series will do just fine.
 
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Movie2099

Audioholic General
Which one do you recommend from the below models?

SR-5014 (marantz)
TXRZ-840 (Onkyo)
In this case since I don't know much about Onkyo and like Marantz I will go with Marantz. Marantz make very quality products.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Which one do you recommend from the below models?

SR-5014 (marantz)
TXRZ-840 (Onkyo)
For the same money, unless you really like the look of that Marantz, the Denon AVR-X3600H is a much better choice based on the recent good review with measurements beating even the Marantz separates AV7705 and AV8805 in some ways. Recent Marantz models are way over priced, offering 99% the same internal parts and circuitry (only difference is the HDAM, that doesn't appear to do any good on the bench, apparent worse, base on the bench test results..).
 
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sakethsimha

Enthusiast
Makes sense. Thank you PENG. Unfortunately, I get good discount from Denon website only and the model seems to be unavailable. The other sites from which i receive good discounts from are Marantz, PIONEER and Onkyo.

Can you please help recommend any good such models from PIONEER and ONKYO?

I really appreciate your help!
Saketh
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Makes sense. Thank you PENG. Unfortunately, I get good discount from Denon website only and the model seems to be unavailable. The other sites from which i receive good discounts from are Marantz, PIONEER and Onkyo.

Can you please help recommend any good such models from PIONEER and ONKYO?

I really appreciate your help!
Saketh
Sorry, I don't believe in subjective reviews. The issue is, what sounds good to person A may not be as good for person B. So unless one can listen to all kinds of units in their own rooms and conduct AB comparison listening using proper protocols, it is better to based one's decision on specs and measurements. In other words don't worry about the ears/brains if you stick with products that offer distortions level that is generally accepted as below the threshold of audibility. Obviously there are other factors such as IMD, FR, linearity etc., that are important too, but AVRs that didn't measure well in THD+N typically (not always..) would measure not too good in the other criteria too.

ASR has reviewed a few Pioneer, an Onkyo, two recent Denon models and two Marantz AVPs so far, based on the results the reviewer could not recommend that particular Onkyo, neither can I. If you are limited by your budget, then I would probably bite the bullet and go with the Marantz. assuming you can get it for at least $200 less than the Denon AVR-X3600H.

Below is a chart that compares the SINAD (that is the reciprocal of THD+N so the higher the better) preamp/DAC section of the units, the Pioneer LX504 did reasonably well but if you look at the test results of the amp section, it is terrible. The Onkyo measured was a prepro, the results were so disappointing that I can't imagine their AVR cousins would do better.


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If you are more familiar with THD+N (total harmonic distortions + noise), refer to the conversion table below:

SINADTHD+N
700.031623%
750.017783%
800.010000%
850.005623%
900.003162%
950.001778%
1000.001000%
 
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Hench4Life

Hench4Life

Junior Audioholic
Out of curiosity, is there a particular reason you're looking at only Onkyo and Pioneer? I hate to rain on an OP's parade, but I'm going to do that just a little bit...

I'd definitely want to talk with recent owners of Onkyo gear before I moved on one. While they were still excellent 15-20 years ago, I've heard loads of horror stories right here regarding HDMI problems related to the board, running obscenely hot and poor customer support. I believe they've improved in the past few years, but you can only go up from the bottom, right? Anyway, do a search in the forums for Onkyo, you'll probably find plenty if somebody doesn't chime in here shortly.

I've always liked Pioneer and owned a couple of their receivers. But one thing I've noticed about most of these brands is that they go through cycles of quality and innovation - and just caring. Pioneer sort of dropped the ball on Elite for a while, and let the rest of the world pass them by. I think they're in catch up mode. You'll probably notice a lot of the Pioneer Elite is on closeout or not available (I have), which hopefully means they're getting their act together with a new generation.

Yamaha builds some pretty solid (if slightly pricey) gear, and at the moment seem to be scratching their way back to the top again. I've owned a lot of Yammy, and no doubt will look to them for other products (particularly the CD-S2100).

At the moment, I'm starting to shop to put together a home theater system from scratch. But I'm going to settle on the front end before anything else. The budget brands I've narrowed down to are Yamaha, and sister brands Marantz/Denon (D+M Group). The latter 2 might slightly outdo Yamaha but it's a photo finish.

Things to consider are room correction, streaming (and what services are supported), multi-zone audio (other rooms a possibility?) and a decent DAC. Also important if you don't have speakers is if the unit is rated to 4ohms. With your Klipsch, it's not a concern.

What I'm looking at has more bells and whistles than I'll need, but I don't want to wish I had something that's not available. Other brands I've looked at and worthy of consideration are NAD, Outlaw and Anthem. If you think you're going to stick with a single system for a while, then I'd definitely be looking at these as well.

I'd recommend reading as much on the products you are considering as well as YT reviews. Not that any reviewer has better ears than you do, but often they'll bring up points they discover using the product. Things like you can't do "X" with the receiver, only "Y". And, it's something you might not have thought about. I also go to the manufacturer website and download the manuals. I can learn more doing that than a dozen reviews.

Right now you can pick up a Denon AVR X3600H or X4500H for $1k. I think those are overkill for your needs, so you could cut that in half with an X2600. Klipsch are exceptionally efficient, so you don't need oodles of power or current to get the best out of them. Good luck on your hunt - but take your time as this is probably the most important decision of all. A good receiver will give you everything you need to get started listening to music immediately.
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
The Denon AVR-X3600H is the obvious affordable AVR which I would also recommend.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Yes, Onkyo had the famous hdmi/network board issue from 2009-12 but seems a non-problem at this time (and did setup an extended warranty program thru 2018 to their credit....I have one of those and its better than new now in that it runs cooler). FWIW Onkyo and Pioneer are same company now, too for last coupla years. Sound United, who owns Denon & Marantz brands, almost bought Onkyo a while back too, but backed out.

I'd first start with Denon myself, Marantz is very similar but marketed at a higher price for the same feature set generally (at least in the US).

Yamaha has a slightly better reliability rep per a particular industry survey....at last update at least.

Find the avr with the feature set you want at the best price you can find with an adequate amp section (but I'd always say get a unit with pre-outs to give you some flexibility there).
 
Hench4Life

Hench4Life

Junior Audioholic
The Denon AVR-X3600H is the obvious affordable AVR which I would also recommend.
That's the one I'm about to pull the trigger on TBH. The X4500 is the same price for refurbs at A4L at the moment ($999), I'm unclear as to any other differences between the 2 besides power. The 4500 is being discontinued, the 3600 is still new. The 3600 isn't as sexy as the Marantz counterpart - again that's really the only difference. Since mine might wind up in a closet - it really doesn't matter! I've been impressed with the build and layout of these receivers, they've come a long way in the last 10 years.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
That's the one I'm about to pull the trigger on TBH. The X4500 is the same price for refurbs at A4L at the moment ($999), I'm unclear as to any other differences between the 2 besides power. The 4500 is being discontinued, the 3600 is still new. The 3600 isn't as sexy as the Marantz counterpart - again that's really the only difference. Since mine might wind up in a closet - it really doesn't matter! I've been impressed with the build and layout of these receivers, they've come a long way in the last 10 years.
I'm thinking some of the models in the recent 3xxx and 4xxx ranges may have some differences as to applying other sound modes to Dolby codecs? Seems they backed off after trying it on a few models in there but not too sure....
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
That's the one I'm about to pull the trigger on TBH. The X4500 is the same price for refurbs at A4L at the moment ($999), I'm unclear as to any other differences between the 2 besides power. The 4500 is being discontinued, the 3600 is still new. The 3600 isn't as sexy as the Marantz counterpart - again that's really the only difference. Since mine might wind up in a closet - it really doesn't matter! I've been impressed with the build and layout of these receivers, they've come a long way in the last 10 years.
For the same price the X4500H is obviously a better buy. It has the same specs as the SR7013 whereas the X3600H is comparable to the SR6014. Denon's will most likely measure better than their Marantz counterparts, based on the ASR bench test results, probably because they don't have the HDAMs. The differences will most certainly be too minute to be audible. So if you are going to hide it from sight, then I guess Denon would be your choice. Just make sure you get a good warranty from A4L.
 
Hench4Life

Hench4Life

Junior Audioholic
For the same price the X4500H is obviously a better buy. It has the same specs as the SR7013 whereas the X3600H is comparable to the SR6014. Denon's will most likely measure better than their Marantz counterparts, based on the ASR bench test results, probably because they don't have the HDAMs. The differences will most certainly be too minute to be audible. So if you are going to hide it from sight, then I guess Denon would be your choice. Just make sure you get a good warranty from A4L.
Thanks for that! A4L is offering a 3 year warranty on it (not on the 3600), so I'll probably go snap that one up now!
 
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