What are these wires?

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Sentinel1

Audiophyte
I moved into this home about a year ago and it looks like it's pre-wired for whole home audio. I want to do the install myself so I can learn more about it and have some pride in the work. I opened this wallplate and there are 4 wires in there. What are these wires? How are they used? I have this set of wires in 4 rooms in the house. Any help is appreciated! Thanks.
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SimplyEpic

Audioholic
I would think the 2 on the left look like they are speaker cables, the one on the right looks like it may be cat5 networking cable. Is there anything stamped on the outer sleeve?
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
The left two wires are 2-conductor speaker cables. Typically this is run to a single speaker location. You can do a battery test if you have some in-ceiling/wall speakers to find out where they go, or pick up a inexpensive fox/hound kit and put a tone on the wires to see if a speaker starts chirping.

The third wire is also a speaker wire. Four conductor instead of a 2 conductor. This may go to a second room with ceiling speakers in it. Or to a volume control somewhere.

The last cable appears to be a category cable. Typically cat-5e or cat-6.

As mentioned by @SimplyEpic, you should check the jacket of the cable for writing on it which will specifically identify the cable to you. Then you will know what type of cable it is. Often it includes manufacturer name, foot markings, in-wall certifications, along with the type (cat5e, 14AWG, etc.). But, that still won't help you unless you know where they go. Cat-5e cable typically will go to a centralized closet location, but sometimes goes elsewhere.

I think this is a great tool for people to own if they are trying to track down where wires are going in their home...

The multiple ends allow for easy connection to the wires and the tone generated is strong enough for most systems to be found accurately.
 
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Sentinel1

Audiophyte
Those four wires are coming out of the outlet in the picture below (this room is the study). This room has two spots for speakers in the ceiling.
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In a cabinet in the living room I have these wires named "study" (see pics below).
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Im not sure how it all goes together and what equipment I should get.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
Hey, at least some of them are labeled! Assuming they're accurately labeled that is, but it's a start.

This is outside my realm for advising anyone on anything, but I'm curious to see what you end up with.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
So, the four conductor wire and the other one go from the living room cabinet (the head end is what this space is called) to the individual rooms.

The four conductor speaker cable is wired to a wall location, which means that you can use a volume control at that location.
OR
There is a cat-5e cable (most likely) which could be used instead of a volume control as a keypad location.

You obviously have several other rooms which have similar setups. There is a bunch of wiring at your head end which goes off to various rooms. My guess is that they are all a set of four wire speaker cables and a single cat-5e cable.

The other two wires in your study run from the volume control location to the actual speaker location in the ceiling or wall of that room. Depending on what you want to do, you will either wire nut the two conductor wiring to the four conductor wiring directly, or you will wire it through a volume control.

Since you have so many wires, I recommend you invest in a good set of wire strippers.
These are excellent:

So, if you want music in those rooms, you will need to put in speakers everywhere (if they are not there already) and then add a amplifier and audio source. Do NOT confuse an AV receiver with a whole house audio distribution system.

There are newer audio distribution systems which are entirely used by mobile phones, and there are ones which can be used by your phone in conjunction with keypads on the wall. The cost can get pretty spendy as you get more and more functionality, but you can also go cheap and simple and just use a single amplifier through an impedance matching speaker selector and volume controls in every location.

Do you have a target budget for all of this?

This is exactly the type of stuff I have been doing for years, so I know that you have a ton of options available to you.
 
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Sentinel1

Audiophyte
So, the four conductor wire and the other one go from the living room cabinet (the head end is what this space is called) to the individual rooms.

The four conductor speaker cable is wired to a wall location, which means that you can use a volume control at that location.
OR
There is a cat-5e cable (most likely) which could be used instead of a volume control as a keypad location.

You obviously have several other rooms which have similar setups. There is a bunch of wiring at your head end which goes off to various rooms. My guess is that they are all a set of four wire speaker cables and a single cat-5e cable.

The other two wires in your study run from the volume control location to the actual speaker location in the ceiling or wall of that room. Depending on what you want to do, you will either wire nut the two conductor wiring to the four conductor wiring directly, or you will wire it through a volume control.

Since you have so many wires, I recommend you invest in a good set of wire strippers.
These are excellent:

So, if you want music in those rooms, you will need to put in speakers everywhere (if they are not there already) and then add a amplifier and audio source. Do NOT confuse an AV receiver with a whole house audio distribution system.

There are newer audio distribution systems which are entirely used by mobile phones, and there are ones which can be used by your phone in conjunction with keypads on the wall. The cost can get pretty spendy as you get more and more functionality, but you can also go cheap and simple and just use a single amplifier through an impedance matching speaker selector and volume controls in every location.

Do you have a target budget for all of this?

This is exactly the type of stuff I have been doing for years, so I know that you have a ton of options available to you.
Thank you for all that information! It was such a great help! I would like to do something that had keypads and could also be controlled with a phone. I don't have a budget in mind as I am in an information gathering mode. Plus, I don't even know what high, mid, or low end components even cost.

Also, the home didn't come with ceiling or outdoor patio speakers. I am open to any suggestions for those as well. Thanks!
 
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SimplyEpic

Audioholic
The good news is you have some of the infrastructure already setup. As for budget it really can very depending on what you want. I am just setting up what I consider to be a mid grade 5.2 system and am looking at about $12,000 if I don't catch things on sale. You can see that investment escalate once you start adding multiple rooms.

It is so worth it in the end :cool:
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Thank you for all that information! It was such a great help! I would like to do something that had keypads and could also be controlled with a phone. I don't have a budget in mind as I am in an information gathering mode. Plus, I don't even know what high, mid, or low end components even cost.
The first thing you want to do is look at all the rooms which already are prewired for audio. Do you have a location on the walls or ceilings where there are wires hanging out of the walls already? If not, you will want to reach out to the previous homeowner to find out WHERE those 2-conductor wires are going to. They could be ANYWHERE in the ceiling or walls of the rooms. You don't want to play cat and mouse, and there is no good way to find where those wires actually ended up. When I do wiring that will end up behind drywall, I take photos - a LOT of photos, and mark on the drawings where they have ended up. This way I can find those wires years down the road if necessary. So, you could have a headache if those wires are just hidden and can't be found.

Ignoring that...

Figure out which room(s) you would like audio in. Just for standard stereo audio. Consider any single room as a 'zone' of audio. So, the study, the patio, the dining room. That would be 3 zones (or areas) which will play audio.

A keypad will allow you local access to turn a room on or off and to pick a source for that room.

You will want to consider how many sources you may want for your audio system. A basic source may be a networked audio player, like Apple's Airplay, Chromecast, or perhaps a nicer device like a BluSound, or Sonos product. These audio sources would feed a whole house audio distribution system.

Brand new, something like this from HTD.com...

This provides you the capability to add up to 6 sources (of your own choosing) and can feed up to 6 rooms. You should expect ALL rooms to be stereo. So, get two speakers for each room. Keypads have cost which varies, so it's around $1,200 without sources or speakers.

Speakers... well, that can vary greatly. If this is just to enjoy some basic backround audio, then Monoprice has speakers which start at under $50 a pair...

My preference is their 8" design...

So, about 80 bucks per room. If you have a full 6 rooms, that's $480.

So, pick up a networked audio player like a Sonos, and perhaps something easier like a ChromeCast or AirPlay device, and for right around $2,000 you can get 6 rooms of audio for your money.

If you want BETTER audio in a room, then you may want to invest in a BluSound music player. As well, you may want better speakers in the rooms, and that can quickly cost more money. A LOT more money depending on what you get. But, for basic background music that can still get pretty loud, even if the ceiling speakers don't sound 'excellent', but are only 'good', then this is a good way to go.

For your reference:
 
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