mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I wasn't presenting a 'case', raised a question to which I posted a video. Now if you want to debunk it, fine, you're the expert !
Sure looks like a question followed with that video as evidence that he may be.;)
 
Swerd

Swerd

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Both those videos have BOUGUS FAKE written all over them. It didn't take Youtube long to notice the first one.

I tried to watch the first one for maybe 10 minutes, before I shut it off. It took too long and failed to make anything resembling a specific case – a hallmark common to many conspiracy theory rants. It did have lots of indirect allusions to a vast conspiracy, and I wondered if it was going down the anti-vaccine rabbit hole. In short, it was crap.

@Mikado463 – how did you learn about that video?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
This morning, I found 4 scientific papers, on the vaccines made using an adenovirus vector, developed against MERS, a coronavirus similar to SARS-CoV-2. All were published by Sarah Gilbert, among others.

The first paper describes the adenovirus vector itself, which became their standard DNA vaccine vector. The other 3 papers clearly say that the vaccine's adenovirus vector contained DNA coding for the full spike (S) protein from the MERS virus. I could not find a paper describing the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine in detail, but I think it's safe to assume their methods followed those published for the MERS virus. They put the DNA sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 virus S protein into their adenovirus vector, as they previously had done with the MERS S protein.

If I quote text below, it appeared in the introduction sections of these papers.

PLOS One 2012
This paper describes and characterizes the Oxford Group's original adenovirus vector.

Vaccine, 2017
"Here, we report development of MERS-CoV vaccine candidates that are based on two different viralvectors: Chimpanzee Adenovirus, Oxford University #1 (ChAdOx1) and Modified Vaccinia virus Ankara (MVA). Each viral vector was developed by generating two alternative versions, resulting in four vaccine candidates that all encode the same complete MERS-CoV spike gene (S)."​

Nature, 2019

"The trimeric spike (S) glycoprotein is the main target of most experimental MERS-CoV vaccines as it plays an integral role in viral entry and fusion with target cells. It consists of a receptor-binding domain (RBD)-containing S1 subunit that binds to dipeptidyl peptidase 4 (DPP4) on target cells, and a S2 subunit which contains the fusion peptide involved in viral fusion with target cells. Several vaccine candidates have been developed and tested in multiple animal models including mice, rabbits, non-human primates and dromedaries (reviewed in 22–24). While many of these vaccines were designed based on full-length S protein, some others were targeting the S1 subunit or the RBD of the protein to focus the immune response on the critical neutralising epitopes to induce nAbs. Nonetheless, non-neutralising antibodies (Abs) could also aid in protection against MERS-CoV by inhibiting essential steps in viral replication such as virus-target cell fusion. Furthermore, it has been shown that nAbs alone could not confer sterilising immunity but could provide partial protection in camels probably due to several factors including waning of nAbs and genetic change of viral lineage. Thus, developing a camel vaccine based on full-length S protein could potentially elicit more robust antibody and T cell response compared to shorter targets. We have developed a chimpanzee adenoviral vector based vaccine for MERS-CoV (ChAdOx1 MERS) that has now been tested in mouse models for immunogenicity and efficacy, demonstrating 100% efficacy after a single dose. ChAdOx1 MERS was generated by inserting the full length of the spike gene, from a MERS-CoV isolate (Genbank accession number: KJ650098.1), into the genome of the replication deficient ChAdOx1 vector as described previously."​

Science, 2020

"We recently demonstrated that vaccination of mice with a replication-deficient simian adenovirus vaccine vector (ChA-dOx1) encoding full-length MERS-CoV S protein (ChAdOx1 MERS) elicited high-titer MERS-CoV neutralizing antibodies and a robust CD8+ T cell response against the S protein."​
Well those papers are quite a read. Thank you.

It does seem that that the ChAdOx1 MERS vaccine was spectacularly effective in the monkeys. I thought the radiography, morbid pathology and histology were very persuasive.

I think it will be very bad luck indeed if their vaccine for Covid 19 is not spectacularly successful. I think this is the only really encouraging facet in this unfolding tragedy to date.

That group have certainly proved validity of that approach.
 
G

Gmoney

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Well those papers are quite a read. Thank you.

It does seem that that the ChAdOx1 MERS vaccine was spectacularly effective in the monkeys. I thought the radiography, morbid pathology and histology were very persuasive.

I think it will be very bad luck indeed if their vaccine for Covid 19 is not spectacularly successful. I think this is the only really encouraging facet in this unfolding tragedy to date.

That group have certainly proved validity of that approach.
There is a Research farm here where I live, they house monkeys lots of them to do research. I believe it’s called UL of Lafayette Research Center. But its location is here in New Iberia. Anyways the do gooders have been known to picked outside the fenced in area. I believe most of the monkeys are Chimpanzees also lots of Armadillos. Never hear of any news that comes out of that Research facility. It’s Actually located on an old navy base here in Iberia Parish.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Well those papers are quite a read. Thank you.
I didn't expect you to read them all the way through, but if you did, excellent. I guess you & I are just the retired guys needed to make sure these youngsters are doing a proper job ;).
It does seem that that the ChAdOx1 MERS vaccine was spectacularly effective in the monkeys. I thought the radiography, morbid pathology and histology were very persuasive.

I think it will be very bad luck indeed if their vaccine for Covid 19 is not spectacularly successful. I think this is the only really encouraging facet in this unfolding tragedy to date.

That group have certainly proved validity of that approach.
Agreed. I hope this effort succeeds at creating a long-lasting T cell-based imunity. I think Sarah Gilbert would be among the first to say that is as important or more important than generating neutralizing antibodies.
 
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Swerd

Swerd

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There is a Research farm here where I live, they house monkeys lots of them to do research. I believe it’s called UL of Lafayette Research Center. But its location is here in New Iberia. Anyways the do gooders have been known to picked outside the fenced in area. I believe most of the monkeys are Chimpanzees also lots of Armadillos. Never hear of any news that comes out of that Research facility. It’s Actually located on an old navy base here in Iberia Parish.
I believe the rhesus macaque monkey studies in that recent paper were at the NIH's Rocky Mountain Lab. It's somewhere, probably very isolated, in Hamilton, Montana.

I didn't know anyone used chimps for research animals anymore. They're large, expensive to maintain, and they attract all kinds of PETA trouble makers. The much smaller rhesus monkeys are said to be trouble enough. Note that the paper testing the MERS vaccine was done with only 6 monkeys. When I used to do cancer research with mice, it was common to use 100 in one 2-week-long experiment.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
looking at a railroad video on youtube from a friend after which, he sent me the first one, which (given my curiosity) I found the second.
After seeing only part of those videos, I think you should disinfect your internet cable, modem, and router with bleach and Lysol :rolleyes:.
 
G

Gmoney

Audioholic Ninja
I believe the rhesus macaque monkey studies in that recent paper were at the NIH's Rocky Mountain Lab. It's somewhere, probably very isolated, in Hamilton, Montana.

I didn't know anyone used chimps for research animals anymore. They're large, expensive to maintain, and they attract all kinds of PETA trouble makers. The much smaller rhesus monkeys are said to be trouble enough. Note that the paper testing the MERS vaccine was done with only 6 monkeys. When I used to do cancer research with mice, it was common to use 100 in one 2-week-long experiment.
That’s the group PETA, couldn’t remember but yeah it’s Chimps, made the National news a few years ago cause a bunch of them had camped out at that old Navy base. That base, start built around 52? in 57 or 58 it was finished it’s big the air strip is the longest between New Orlean and Houston . The Navy never really used it they ended up giving the whole base to Iberia Parish. Something to do with Organize crime at the time that was Running amok in this area. So say they where finding Navy Sailors Bodies floating in the bayous cause the Organize crime was trying to get $100 a month from the Navy Sailors so say it pissed off the Department of defense and the Gov, Buried nuclear waste under ground near that area and pulled all Military personnel out. That’s the Rumor mill around here about that base. It’s used mostly for oilfield Companies that research center, Private airfield and some Iberia Parish government buildings.
 
gene

gene

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Both those videos have BOUGUS FAKE written all over them. It didn't take Youtube long to notice the first one.

I tried to watch the first one for maybe 10 minutes, before I shut it off. It took too long and failed to make anything resembling a specific case – a hallmark common to many conspiracy theory rants. It did have lots of indirect allusions to a vast conspiracy, and I wondered if it was going down the anti-vaccine rabbit hole. In short, it was crap.

@Mikado463 – how did you learn about that video?
Yep this reminds me of the 9/11 and moon landing hoax conspiracies. They seemingly look plausible but are based on innuendoes and anecdotal evidence. It's troubling how people place and credibility in this crap. YT taking it down probably just inflames their conspiracy faulty logic.
 
KEW

KEW

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Yep this reminds me of the 9/11 and moon landing hoax conspiracies. They seemingly look plausible but are based on innuendoes and anecdotal evidence. It's troubling how people place and credibility in this crap. YT taking it down probably just inflames their conspiracy faulty logic.
I don't know! 18 seconds into the clip Dr. Chris Martinson says it is March 4, but it was actually May 4! I've seen this before and it is almost always the result of alien abductions involving near lightspeed travel.
Here's proof from none other than Albert Einstein:
Einstein's theory of special relativity says that time slows down or speeds up depending on how fast you move relative to something else. Approaching the speed of light, a person inside a spaceship would age much slower than his twin at home.

So, Dr. Martinson was quite clearly abducted by aliens in order to implant the truth in his mind so he can save humanity from the fake news being reported by deep state health publications.
The naive may believe these aliens are benevolent, but now is not the time to sigh relief, they just want us to be more successful (fatten up our world) so when they come to destroy us, the images of their victory will be more compelling to better justify their controversial HSMC (homo-sapien mind control) budget.
What can you do, you ask?
I happen to have bulk quantities of tin foil lined "Make America Great Again" hats that are indistinguishable from the one worn by President Trump! I use a special technique that does not add weight or any visual or other indication to the aliens that your hat has been modified, they will think you are just another helpless human! Only $50/hat to ensure you do not become a tool of the aliens!
Act now or become the aliens' bitch!!!
 
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highfigh

highfigh

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Well those papers are quite a read. Thank you.

It does seem that that the ChAdOx1 MERS vaccine was spectacularly effective in the monkeys. I thought the radiography, morbid pathology and histology were very persuasive.

I think it will be very bad luck indeed if their vaccine for Covid 19 is not spectacularly successful. I think this is the only really encouraging facet in this unfolding tragedy to date.

That group have certainly proved validity of that approach.
Have you seen reports stating that mutated COVID-19 is even more communicable?
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
After seeing only part of those videos, I think you should disinfect your internet cable, modem, and router with bleach and Lysol :rolleyes:.
good point, I'll get 'Donald' to come over so as to be sure it's done right ! :eek:
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I didn't expect you to read them all the way through, but if you did, excellent. I guess you & I are just the retired guys needed to make sure these youngsters are doing a proper job ;).
And we appreciate that. I don't have a clue when it comes to the medical side of things so I very much appreciate all the time you guys take to explain things.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Had an interesting experience at a fancy Japanese steakhouse restaurant (where the chef does the fancy cooking show right in front of you).

Before SARS-CoV2, this restaurant was extremely packed and popular - had to make reservations ahead of time.

So after the SARS-CoV2 lockdown, the restaurant reopened. And we were the FIRST customers to attend.

While we were there eating, which was from about 5pm to 6:15pm, no other customers were there.

So our family was the ONLY customers during that time.

The chef still did his fancy cooking with the knife and all that.

Just very strange to have the entire restaurant to ourselves.

Only with SARS-CoV2. :D
 
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Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
Had an interesting experience at a fancy Japanese steakhouse restaurant (where the chef does the fancy cooking show right in front of you).

Before SARS-CoV2, this restaurant was extremely packed and popular - had to make reservations ahead of time.

So after the SARS-CoV2 lockdown, the restaurant reopened. And we were the FIRST customers to attend.

While we were there eating, which was from about 5pm to 6:15pm, no other customers were there.

So our family was the ONLY customers during that time.

The chef still did his fancy cooking with the knife and all that.

Just very strange to have the entire restaurant to ourselves.

Only with SARS-CoV2. :D
A similar situation will most likely happen with Covid-19. Will you try again if they're still in business and they reopen and see if the same occurs?
 
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